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Carmelo Anthony: Not even one of the 10 best players in the League
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3/7/2012  12:19 AM
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crzymdups wrote:Melo clogs the floor. he makes no sense on this team. team needs a three point shooter in his spot, like Gallo or even Wilson, who can slash when needed, but spread the floor otherwise.

Melo won't spread the floor, the lane gets clogged, it's easier for opposing teams to trap the PnR with a clogged lane, the offense stalls. Melo pouts, plans his shoe line for China, wonders what Lala's next TV show will be, doesn't get down on himself, man.

Melo is a great player that just does not fit into this system as it stands.

Kinda sad but whaddya gonna do? Trade him? Maybe ...

going back to the original post; is melo that great of a player? there are at least 15 guys in the league better than him. how "great" is he? all things considered (being a good teammate, bringing it every night), melo may not even crack the top 20 guys in the NBA. that is not "star" material. he may have a good game every now and then but night in night out, as a "team leader" and "franchise player" there is a long list of guys i'd prefer.

It definitely looks like he is on the wrong team now.

42 points against Boston? That was not to bad. Not a whole lotta complaints then.

PG dominated ball stunts what he can do. Not sure if thats why he can't hit a damn Jumper.

42 points against boston!?!?!?!?!!? HAHAHAAHAHAHA

THE KNICKS LOST THAT GAME

melo STILL can't figure out the double team. please dude. just stop. there are WITHOUT A DOUBT ten better players in the NBA. see original post. wow melo may be 3rd team all-nba talent who can occasionaly drop 42 points in a losing effort. big freaking whoop!

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3/7/2012  12:20 AM
Anji wrote:This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

If you mean Jeffries, I can only assume you didn't watch the game tonight. Injured.

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3/7/2012  12:22 AM
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Anji wrote:This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

If you mean Jeffries, I can only assume you didn't watch the game tonight. Injured.

I swear, there are times where I think more than half of this board is trolling.

"Coach doesn't get what made them successful". I couldn't make that up!

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3/7/2012  12:23 AM
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crzymdups wrote:Melo clogs the floor. he makes no sense on this team. team needs a three point shooter in his spot, like Gallo or even Wilson, who can slash when needed, but spread the floor otherwise.

Melo won't spread the floor, the lane gets clogged, it's easier for opposing teams to trap the PnR with a clogged lane, the offense stalls. Melo pouts, plans his shoe line for China, wonders what Lala's next TV show will be, doesn't get down on himself, man.

Melo is a great player that just does not fit into this system as it stands.

Kinda sad but whaddya gonna do? Trade him? Maybe ...

going back to the original post; is melo that great of a player? there are at least 15 guys in the league better than him. how "great" is he? all things considered (being a good teammate, bringing it every night), melo may not even crack the top 20 guys in the NBA. that is not "star" material. he may have a good game every now and then but night in night out, as a "team leader" and "franchise player" there is a long list of guys i'd prefer.

It definitely looks like he is on the wrong team now.

42 points against Boston? That was not to bad. Not a whole lotta complaints then.

PG dominated ball stunts what he can do. Not sure if thats why he can't hit a damn Jumper.

42 points against boston!?!?!?!?!!? HAHAHAAHAHAHA

THE KNICKS LOST THAT GAME

melo STILL can't figure out the double team. please dude. just stop. there are WITHOUT A DOUBT ten better players in the NBA. see original post. wow melo may be 3rd team all-nba talent who can occasionaly drop 42 points in a losing effort. big freaking whoop!

Ya i dont get that statement. 42 points aganst boston in a game we lost and we got swept. the truth is melo hasn't helped this team no matter what system we run. we give him 3o shots a game we lose and now when we finally have a cohesive group we try to add him in which would help him and he doesn't want to also he misses more layups than a 90 year old woman lol
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3/7/2012  12:25 AM
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Anji wrote:This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

If you mean Jeffries, I can only assume you didn't watch the game tonight. Injured.


LOL, I did.............that's my bad didn't know he was hurt.

Still stand by that this coach doesn't get that the Defense is 10 times more important to this team right now.

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3/7/2012  12:33 AM
Prior to the all-star break, we were in the top five in defensive efficiency rankings. We may have slipped a bit, but we're pretty good.
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3/7/2012  1:35 AM
Melo is just having a bad year. No, not just. But whether it's the lockout or the injuries he's playing like crap. My problem with melo is that even when he's at his best he's not efficient enough and doesn't make any teammates better. So I would love to ship him out.
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3/7/2012  1:40 AM
tj23 wrote:Melo is just having a bad year. No, not just. But whether it's the lockout or the injuries he's playing like crap. My problem with melo is that even when he's at his best he's not efficient enough and doesn't make any teammates better. So I would love to ship him out.

He many not completely make players better, but you still need that go-to guy who can beat the other team for a basket. Every deep playoff team has one of those guys.

I think Chandler makes others around him better by his play/character much more than Amare/Melo.

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3/7/2012  1:49 AM
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BigSm00th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo clogs the floor. he makes no sense on this team. team needs a three point shooter in his spot, like Gallo or even Wilson, who can slash when needed, but spread the floor otherwise.

Melo won't spread the floor, the lane gets clogged, it's easier for opposing teams to trap the PnR with a clogged lane, the offense stalls. Melo pouts, plans his shoe line for China, wonders what Lala's next TV show will be, doesn't get down on himself, man.

Melo is a great player that just does not fit into this system as it stands.

Kinda sad but whaddya gonna do? Trade him? Maybe ...

going back to the original post; is melo that great of a player? there are at least 15 guys in the league better than him. how "great" is he? all things considered (being a good teammate, bringing it every night), melo may not even crack the top 20 guys in the NBA. that is not "star" material. he may have a good game every now and then but night in night out, as a "team leader" and "franchise player" there is a long list of guys i'd prefer.

It definitely looks like he is on the wrong team now.

42 points against Boston? That was not to bad. Not a whole lotta complaints then.

PG dominated ball stunts what he can do. Not sure if thats why he can't hit a damn Jumper.

42 points against boston!?!?!?!?!!? HAHAHAAHAHAHA

THE KNICKS LOST THAT GAME

melo STILL can't figure out the double team. please dude. just stop. there are WITHOUT A DOUBT ten better players in the NBA. see original post. wow melo may be 3rd team all-nba talent who can occasionaly drop 42 points in a losing effort. big freaking whoop!

Ya i dont get that statement. 42 points aganst boston in a game we lost and we got swept. the truth is melo hasn't helped this team no matter what system we run. we give him 3o shots a game we lose and now when we finally have a cohesive group we try to add him in which would help him and he doesn't want to also he misses more layups than a 90 year old woman lol

26 pts per, 4.8 assists per, and 10.3 mother phu&&&&&()((%$-in rebounds per game!!!!!!! And they lost because of him? Wow! A bunch of geniuses. hhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

When people blame MDA for losing to boston, they say "they were a much better team. And we fought hard" - but with Melo ... you know the rest.

I have a feeling that Kobe would not fit in here either. Not to say that Melo is as good as Kobe.

Listen, he is definitely off. Somethings up because he is having by far the worst year of his career. Not sure whats up.

career FG % = 45.6
Kobe = 45.4

Career pts per game = 24.7
Kobe = 25.4

FT = 7.8 attempts
Kobe = 7.9

Rebounds = both at 5.8

You don't think that something is wrong this year? I am also starting to realize that this rigid system does not work for him. And, I don't think it would work with Kobe either. Lin / PG / PnR dominated offense? Don't think it fits. Not sure what that means going forward but it ain't gonna be peaches.

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3/7/2012  1:51 AM
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markvmc wrote:
Anji wrote:This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

If you mean Jeffries, I can only assume you didn't watch the game tonight. Injured.


LOL, I did.............that's my bad didn't know he was hurt.

Still stand by that this coach doesn't get that the Defense is 10 times more important to this team right now.

You really are way off on this one. MDA IS THE GUY THAT MADE SURE JJ WAS BROUGHT BACK!!! MDA LOVES JARED!!! Who do you think put together the defensive unit that was so successful? MDA makes the rotations and he featured JJ in his rotations.

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3/7/2012  1:54 AM
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26 pts per, 4.8 assists per, and 10.3 mother phu&&&&&()((%$-in rebounds per game!!!!!!! And they lost because of him? Wow! A bunch of geniuses. hhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

When people blame MDA for losing to boston, they say "they were a much better team. And we fought hard" - but with Melo ... you know the rest.

I have a feeling that Kobe would not fit in here either. Not to say that Melo is as good as Kobe.

Listen, he is definitely off. Somethings up because he is having by far the worst year of his career. Not sure whats up.

career FG % = 45.6
Kobe = 45.4

Career pts per game = 24.7
Kobe = 25.4

FT = 7.8 attempts
Kobe = 7.9

Rebounds = both at 5.8

You don't think that something is wrong this year? I am also starting to realize that this rigid system does not work for him. And, I don't think it would work with Kobe either. Lin / PG / PnR dominated offense? Don't think it fits. Not sure what that means going forward but it ain't gonna be peaches.

Let me ask you who was the offensive coach for the Olympic team? How did Melo do playing in an offense that MDA created? This is on Melo. He's got to get it together. He's slumping and that's 100% on him. Don't talk nonsense about the coach and the system being the problem.

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3/7/2012  1:55 AM
nixluva wrote:
Anji wrote:
markvmc wrote:
Anji wrote:This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

If you mean Jeffries, I can only assume you didn't watch the game tonight. Injured.


LOL, I did.............that's my bad didn't know he was hurt.

Still stand by that this coach doesn't get that the Defense is 10 times more important to this team right now.

You really are way off on this one. MDA IS THE GUY THAT MADE SURE JJ WAS BROUGHT BACK!!! MDA LOVES JARED!!! Who do you think put together the defensive unit that was so successful? MDA makes the rotations and he featured JJ in his rotations.

Nix, I see you are on one of your MDA campaigns.

This is the way it is and always will be. Coaches get blamed if their team is losing. Players take hits to - see all the Melo hate threads today - Amare yesterday - Fields the day before. That is the way it is - you can't fight it.

We just need to win like the Giants did and then all the pressure / bashing is off - like coughlin.

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3/7/2012  2:37 AM
Not top 10 is a gentle way to put it. If he were playing like the 11th best player in the league, I'd be ecstatic.
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3/7/2012  3:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/7/2012  3:16 AM
Anji wrote:8-1, 61-21, 62-20, 55-27, 55-28

Who gives a ****, you don't get a title for being 8-1 or 81-1, why do you think this statement is a end all be all??? Great teams figured his this system out when it was Nash at the point, you really think a guy picked off waivers is going to fare better???

Have you not noticed Lin getting his **** pushed in further and further the more times see him???

This coach isn't going to adjust and he is going to get fired. He doesn't get what made the team successful, the fact that JJ2 never seen the floor tonight proves it.

A part of the reason that Lin has come back down is that Melo isn't doing his job. We need him to spread the floor. Teams are packing it inside if you haven't noticed. Stat can hit the outside shot but needs a little space, Melo doesn't. Lin can't drive when they pack the middle and outside of 3's (which I don't want him shooting more than 2-3 times a game), he is getting covered quite well but I think he still needs to use his midrange as he was.

Right now, Melo isn't even top 10 on this team and his stats back that up. I know he can get better but it is painful watching him like a fish out of water since he can't play his ISO game exclusively. We are seeing a great ISO player try to play team ball but years of practice at being a "ME" player has wired his brain in that way. I hope he comes around during the regular season. If not, then I hope during the playoffs. If he produces and we advance past round 2 then I'm open to keeping him. If not, I would try to trade him for a less "talented" but more team oriented player.

Is it any coincidence that Lin did have this offense figured out while Melo was gone? You think teams waited 10 games to make adjustments? LOL. Don't let your eyes deceive you, I watch the game, Melo comes in and the other team goes on a run. And it isn't that Melo is playing bad per say, he just isn't in the flow. Last night, him and Lin come in, 2 point game or so, and Dallas goes on a 13 point run or something like that. I was watching closely, Lin played fine. When Melo produces the game opens up for everyone. They didn't even double Melo for the most part, they are doubling Lin much more than Melo.

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3/7/2012  4:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/7/2012  4:17 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:A part of the reason that Lin has come back down is that Melo isn't doing his job. We need him to spread the floor. Teams are packing it inside if you haven't noticed. Stat can hit the outside shot but needs a little space, Melo doesn't. Lin can't drive when they pack the middle and outside of 3's (which I don't want him shooting more than 2-3 times a game), he is getting covered quite well but I think he still needs to use his midrange as he was.

I fine this hard to accept since Bill walker was 1-5 6-9 3-8 0-5 3-11 2-10 4-10 in the starting small forward spot and that had zero effect on Lin seemingly. Teams are packing it in because that is the book on the knicks right now.

earthmansurfer wrote:Right now, Melo isn't even top 10 on this team and his stats back that up. I know he can get better but it is painful watching him like a fish out of water since he can't play his ISO game exclusively. We are seeing a great ISO player try to play team ball but years of practice at being a "ME" player has wired his brain in that way. I hope he comes around during the regular season. If not, then I hope during the playoffs. If he produces and we advance past round 2 then I'm open to keeping him. If not, I would try to trade him for a less "talented" but more team oriented player.

Ugh, I understand that the Mavs was a very bad game, but you think the hyperbole is a little thick?? The last 6 games before tonight you think Melo isn't even top ten on the team??? Iso this and that, I don't feel like having that asinine argument, because Dirk destroyed this team with me first isos and it will never be described that way by anybody anywhere. Two nights ago this team got destroyed by selfish Paul Peirce posting 15 plus point is the third quarter. This Bull**** about iso never exsited before we have a coach that didn't believe in post offense.

earthmansurfer wrote:Is it any coincidence that Lin did have this offense figured out while Melo was gone? You think teams waited 10 games to make adjustments? LOL. Don't let your eyes deceive you, I watch the game, Melo comes in and the other team goes on a run. And it isn't that Melo is playing bad per say, he just isn't in the flow. Last night, him and Lin come in, 2 point game or so, and Dallas goes on a 13 point run or something like that. I was watching closely, Lin played fine. When Melo produces the game opens up for everyone. They didn't even double Melo for the most part, they are doubling Lin much more than Melo.

So the Nets game never happened with Melo present????

Do I think teams waited to make adjustments??? No, I also understand like you, that you can pause the game and adjust your sliders to the exactly the right game plan to stop a team instantly./sarcasm

The Mavs had the game plan first and every team afterwards has built on that, yes that is how game planning works in every sport. The next team sees the chink in your armor and begins there attack there. There is no coincidence about it, it's exactly how scouting works. Every team that plays us with more and more game tape will try to mimic the defense of every team that beats us. Some will succeed and some won't.

And to talk about the end of the game, you have to know that that was a ugly 4th quarter that had both playing poorly offensively, so to make it sound like the offensive flow was broken when Lin and Melo came is disingenuous. The knicks played good D and scraped on the boards to fight back into the game. Putting the starters in broke what was working for us, it wasn't an offensive break down because Melo stepped on the court.

But I don't want to arguing over this one game it isn't worth the hassle, because this team will ssol some more wins and get smacked in the face with reality but another tough loss by a good team effort. Lin with Bill walker and JJ2 isn't going to chance that and Melo going 10/10 running off of screens like Rip hamlton isn't going to either.

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3/7/2012  7:29 AM
Here we go with the quarter/quarter game to game analysis again. Where was this htread when Melo made two potential game winners vs the Celts only to lose because our coach was asleep at the wheel. Some of you guys are amazing. We bashed Amare for about a month, now he has one good game and we turn out attention to Melo. Always looking for someone to blame.

Anyone had this game in Dallas checked off as a win pre-season?

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3/7/2012  7:31 AM
Uptown wrote:Here we go with the quarter/quarter game to game analysis again. Where was this htread when Melo made two potential game winners vs the Celts only to lose because our coach was asleep at the wheel. Some of you guys are amazing. We bashed Amare for about a month, now he has one good game and we turn out attention to Melo. Always looking for someone to blame.

Anyone had this game in Dallas checked off as a win pre-season?

That's the enabling.

We had an 8-1 run and tasted the sweet strawberries, now we have the stale sour apples.

Melo's behavior was inexcusable last night. Several displays of sourpus attitude were already noted in other threads.

No excuses.

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3/7/2012  7:47 AM
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Uptown wrote:Here we go with the quarter/quarter game to game analysis again. Where was this htread when Melo made two potential game winners vs the Celts only to lose because our coach was asleep at the wheel. Some of you guys are amazing. We bashed Amare for about a month, now he has one good game and we turn out attention to Melo. Always looking for someone to blame.

Anyone had this game in Dallas checked off as a win pre-season?

That's the enabling.

We had an 8-1 run and tasted the sweet strawberries, now we have the stale sour apples.

Melo's behavior was inexcusable last night. Several displays of sourpus attitude were already noted in other threads.

No excuses.


You keep going back to this 8-1 record. Be honest with yourself and assess the team for what it is since the streak. Coaches are game-planing for Lin now, he its on him and th coach to make adjustments. With or without Anthony in the lineup, we lose at Miami, Boston and Dallas. These are 3 of the top defensive teams in the league and they were prepared to shut Lin down.

Our entire offense right now is either pick and roll and drive and kick. Thats IT! Teams are now Trapping the pick and clogging the lane, forcing Lin to miss a difficult shots when he tries to force his way into the paint or kick. When he kicks the ball out, teams (esp Boston) had a defensive floater/free safety on the weak side to intercept the kick passes.

Now its up to our coach to adjust. Our coach is know to be stubborn but hopefully he see's what we/some of us are seeing.

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3/7/2012  8:06 AM
Uptown wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Uptown wrote:Here we go with the quarter/quarter game to game analysis again. Where was this htread when Melo made two potential game winners vs the Celts only to lose because our coach was asleep at the wheel. Some of you guys are amazing. We bashed Amare for about a month, now he has one good game and we turn out attention to Melo. Always looking for someone to blame.

Anyone had this game in Dallas checked off as a win pre-season?

That's the enabling.

We had an 8-1 run and tasted the sweet strawberries, now we have the stale sour apples.

Melo's behavior was inexcusable last night. Several displays of sourpus attitude were already noted in other threads.

No excuses.


You keep going back to this 8-1 record. Be honest with yourself and assess the team for what it is since the streak. Coaches are game-planing for Lin now, he its on him and th coach to make adjustments. With or without Anthony in the lineup, we lose at Miami, Boston and Dallas. These are 3 of the top defensive teams in the league and they were prepared to shut Lin down.

Our entire offense right now is either pick and roll and drive and kick. Thats IT! Teams are now Trapping the pick and clogging the lane, forcing Lin to miss a difficult shots when he tries to force his way into the paint or kick. When he kicks the ball out, teams (esp Boston) had a defensive floater/free safety on the weak side to intercept the kick passes.

Now its up to our coach to adjust. Our coach is know to be stubborn but hopefully he see's what we/some of us are seeing.


"with or without anthony we lose at miami, boston, and dallas."

to be fair, we beat dallas without anthony. we were beating them last night before bringing melo the grouch back in the game and promptly losing all of the momentum.

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3/7/2012  8:22 AM
Uptown wrote:Here we go with the quarter/quarter game to game analysis again. Where was this htread when Melo made two potential game winners vs the Celts only to lose because our coach was asleep at the wheel. Some of you guys are amazing. We bashed Amare for about a month, now he has one good game and we turn out attention to Melo. Always looking for someone to blame.

Anyone had this game in Dallas checked off as a win pre-season?


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