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mrKnickShot
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2/28/2012  2:15 PM
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fishmike wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:Nalod is right... its less about Amare. He can play an LJ type roll and get his when the chances are there. Melo and Chandler will be great. The keys will be Lin and Baron. Because both can really score and Baron is a very strong physical player you will see MDA play them toher at times to counter the doubles on the perimeter and I think if that can happen effectively without really killing the defense you could see something pretty cool. Ive seen Baron personally win playoff series.

If we can get this offense to an MDA caliber and keep the defense the way it is the Knicks will compete for a title for the next few years just like the KNicks of the 90s did. Will they win one? Time will tell...

LJ had a really high bball IQ - Amare does not. Can't really compare or say that he can play that roll. I think that he absolutely can't.

totally disagree. LJ was a physical monster who was two big and powerful for 3s and too quick for 4s. LJs FG% went DOWN every year he was a Knick. Memory isnt serving you well, his production had a massive dropoff and he was forced to be more crafty but this guy was never close to what he was with the Hornets. Last 3 years with the Knicks LJ's FG% was 43% to go with about 5 rebs a game. Pretty pedestrian. But he hit some big shots and thats what everyone remembers, as opposed to the nights where he was good for 10 points and 4 rebs for like $15mm a year

His numbers obviously were not akin to his salary. But, he actually became a much better defender, created a post game and was an excellent passer out of the post. He was a great team players and he completely transformed and salvaged a way to contribute very well to this team.

My memory is just fine. Its not all about numbers jeez.

which one of those things are impossible for Amare to accomplish? Amare has already been a great leader and a guy who gets behind his teammates. No, its not all about #s, but people tend to inflate the importance LJ had on the Knicks. He was a nice role player. He got destroyed whenver we played the Bulls also.

I loved the guy... I loved everyone on those teams. LJ was a nice piece and Mason was tool and Riley got tired of trying to keep him happy with his touches. LJ was certainly a better soldier.

Amare's already show his jumper is excellent. Yes, he's struggling this year with it but are we really worried this wont get fixed? Im not. He's got some new skills to learn, but if you think Amare is a low IQ player I think your selling him way short.

LJ - after his back problems and much lower expected production showed that he can do those high IQ variables. Without that he was almost worthless.

Amare has really bad hands, LJ had excellent hands. Amare seems like a very below average passer, especially once he makes his move towards the basket. Amare has in no way demonstrated that he can be that high-IQ and low post contributor that LJ was. Can I be wrong? I hope so.

Amare's saving grace could be his jump shot which should not disappear with his athleticism and is alarming that it is so off. If he can get that back, that's where his contribution can really be an asset. And that in no way IMHO shows any resemblance to LJ.

Oh. I forgot to address defense. Never mind - no need. Amare will never be a good defender. Not in this life.

BTW, I love Amare and hope he can get his hops back or at least his jump shot.

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2/28/2012  2:22 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:BTW, I love Amare and hope he can get his hops back or at least his jump shot.

Amare has been working on losing weight. as per Amare and MDA's comments at today's practice.

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2/28/2012  2:29 PM
Actually, I do think he could develop a post game. He has very nice touch for a big man. He hit a hook shot against Miami in isolation on the block. The thing is that he gets so few post touches. This offense gets him the ball 15+ feet from the basket and expects him to dribble drive to create an open look, which of course causes his turnover rate to skyrocket.
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2/28/2012  3:36 PM
Well either way, there is no room for a deep low post game in MDA's system. Would love if there was.

Or is it that they just don't have that type of player? Or both?

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2/28/2012  4:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Well either way, there is no room for a deep low post game in MDA's system. Would love if there was.

Or is it that they just don't have that type of player? Or both?

I put it mostly on Amare.

a true post player establishes position and demands the ball. I haven't seen any of that.

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mrKnickShot
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2/28/2012  4:07 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Well either way, there is no room for a deep low post game in MDA's system. Would love if there was.

Or is it that they just don't have that type of player? Or both?

I put it mostly on Amare.

a true post player establishes position and demands the ball. I haven't seen any of that.

You can only attempt that if the plays are called.

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2/28/2012  4:10 PM
Normally, teams that come together midseason, have their best shot in the following season - after they've played together a while. But we are healthy, we are deep and the players seem committed. So, it's possible.
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2/28/2012  4:13 PM
what plays? this offense is improvisational guard pnr play. there is ample opportunity for post touches when pnr breaks down.
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2/28/2012  4:22 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:what plays? this offense is improvisational guard pnr play. there is ample opportunity for post touches when pnr breaks down.

It must still one of the offensive plays in "the system". If anything is called/run in regards to posting, it always seems to be the high post.

Woulda been funny to see how MDA would have adjusted to DHoward if he would have ended up here.

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3/1/2012  4:33 AM
Amar'e needs to be back in shape. Baron Davis won't see much playtime, especially if MDA is going through with his craziness on a 10 man rotation. I think the most important part is the roles these players need to find in MDA's system. JLin has no problem distributing the ball. Melo should get first shot, but if doubled, Lin, Chandler, Field, Smith, Stoudamire should all pick up the scores. This team should be even more uptempo than before. I don't see any reason why they can't after they scored 120 on Cavaliers. Wear the other team down mentally with constant scoring and opponents will break down fast like a rat in the joint.
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3/1/2012  6:25 AM
The Ides of March

In the playoffs you gotta win in some hostile places

Places that make your skin crawl and challenge your manhood

The next four games will provide clues about the road character of this newly bonding team

Forget scoring, if Amar'e cannot play better defense he is a liability inside where Tyson Chandler cannot do it alone. There were too many blown pickups and uncontested shots in the first half of Cleveland

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3/1/2012  6:40 AM
fishmike wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:Nalod is right... its less about Amare. He can play an LJ type roll and get his when the chances are there. Melo and Chandler will be great. The keys will be Lin and Baron. Because both can really score and Baron is a very strong physical player you will see MDA play them toher at times to counter the doubles on the perimeter and I think if that can happen effectively without really killing the defense you could see something pretty cool. Ive seen Baron personally win playoff series.

If we can get this offense to an MDA caliber and keep the defense the way it is the Knicks will compete for a title for the next few years just like the KNicks of the 90s did. Will they win one? Time will tell...

LJ had a really high bball IQ - Amare does not. Can't really compare or say that he can play that roll. I think that he absolutely can't.

totally disagree. LJ was a physical monster who was two big and powerful for 3s and too quick for 4s. LJs FG% went DOWN every year he was a Knick. Memory isnt serving you well, his production had a massive dropoff and he was forced to be more crafty but this guy was never close to what he was with the Hornets. Last 3 years with the Knicks LJ's FG% was 43% to go with about 5 rebs a game. Pretty pedestrian. But he hit some big shots and thats what everyone remembers, as opposed to the nights where he was good for 10 points and 4 rebs for like $15mm a year

The problem is with Amare in LJ mode we cannot possibly keep this team together and will be forced to let go of players like JR or BD in the off season. We can't keep getting lucky with players from China. If he can't play he is completely useless and will kill the team chemistry by whining to the media at some point. Small brain, big ego, diminishing skills - just not a great combination.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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3/1/2012  6:43 AM
Ira wrote:Normally, teams that come together midseason, have their best shot in the following season - after they've played together a while. But we are healthy, we are deep and the players seem committed. So, it's possible.

I doubt we will have this team next season and that is what annoys me the most about Amare's contract vs. production situation.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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