martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

Martin, its not just about weak resources but if you overachieve with them (e.g. JVG 1999). I think I've seen you agree/suggest prior to linsanity to see how the season plays out before extending. Whats the rush? What is it fails/falls apart etc ...? I am not saying that we should not give him a new contract but should he not prove himself first with a bit of a playoff run? Something? Not just 10 days of Linsanity?

The knicks were 11-14 in the 25 games prior to the Melo trade last year. And that's the team that he had BALLIN!!

Is he gonna leave now if we don't extend? If not, then why the rush to judgement?

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

Martin, its not just about weak resources but if you overachieve with them (e.g. JVG 1999). I think I've seen you agree/suggest prior to linsanity to see how the season plays out before extending. Whats the rush? What is it fails/falls apart etc ...? I am not saying that we should not give him a new contract but should he not prove himself first with a bit of a playoff run? Something? Not just 10 days of Linsanity?

The knicks were 11-14 in the 25 games prior to the Melo trade last year. And that's the team that he had BALLIN!!

Is he gonna leave now if we don't extend? If not, then why the rush to judgement?

I think you just accidentally compared or lined up overachieving with the 99 roster and what MDA had over the course of his first 3 years? I would say with one you can overachieve, with the other, who cares.

playoff achievement is not necessarily a barometer for me... what happens if the Knicks run into Miami in first round and go toe-to-toe in 7 game loss?

Are the Knicks overachieving on defense? I would say yes. Is there a better replacement out there as coach? For the roster and especially Lin, I would say no. Do the Knicks need continuity, yes, desperately. For those reasons alone I would probably extend MDA at end of season.

Martin, the 99 team just overachieved and it was unexpected - this team is alot better than the 99 knicks IMHO so they now need to play up to expectations (def not below).

What happens if they play Orlando, Phil, Atlanta or Indiana and look awful? Extend? Not me. If they run into Miami and go a tough 7, I'm in.

nyk4ever wrote:here's some brilliance: team has certain set of players that love the coach, teams offense runs really well because of the style the coach preaches, team is actually playing defense for coach too, get rid of coach.

you clearly are a student of uk.com

like I've said, I'm not a huge fan of 's style. But I do value consistency as well as performance. They're playing defense. Don't know if it is Woodson or Chandler or Pringles but frankly I don't care. He's finally got horses so I want to see what he can do. Personally I hope these conversations die off and we can revisit during the 2014 offseason, if needed.

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

Martin, its not just about weak resources but if you overachieve with them (e.g. JVG 1999). I think I've seen you agree/suggest prior to linsanity to see how the season plays out before extending. Whats the rush? What is it fails/falls apart etc ...? I am not saying that we should not give him a new contract but should he not prove himself first with a bit of a playoff run? Something? Not just 10 days of Linsanity?

The knicks were 11-14 in the 25 games prior to the Melo trade last year. And that's the team that he had BALLIN!!

Is he gonna leave now if we don't extend? If not, then why the rush to judgement?

I think you just accidentally compared or lined up overachieving with the 99 roster and what MDA had over the course of his first 3 years? I would say with one you can overachieve, with the other, who cares.

playoff achievement is not necessarily a barometer for me... what happens if the Knicks run into Miami in first round and go toe-to-toe in 7 game loss?

Are the Knicks overachieving on defense? I would say yes. Is there a better replacement out there as coach? For the roster and especially Lin, I would say no. Do the Knicks need continuity, yes, desperately. For those reasons alone I would probably extend MDA at end of season.

Martin, the 99 team just overachieved and it was unexpected - this team is alot better than the 99 knicks IMHO so they now need to play up to expectations (def not below).

What happens if they play Orlando, Phil, Atlanta or Indiana and look awful? Extend? Not me. If they run into Miami and go a tough 7, I'm in.

your post seems to suggest that you won't consider anything outside of what happens in the playoffs. Playoff performance (and what happens over course of rest of year) is but 1 factor of many I would consider.

True. But unless there are mitigating circumstances, then yes. I want playoff success in some way. He has no reason to fail and can't. He has a really good team. Let him earn the next contract.

Don't know if he should be fired with a playoff failure - we'd have to look at why? Maybe a one year extension at that point if it makes sense (and the excuses are valid - ugh) - don't know.

You need to eventually win in NY. Heck, Coughlin almost lost his job this year and he already had SB ring! In NY! This is NY not Ohio

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

Martin, its not just about weak resources but if you overachieve with them (e.g. JVG 1999). I think I've seen you agree/suggest prior to linsanity to see how the season plays out before extending. Whats the rush? What is it fails/falls apart etc ...? I am not saying that we should not give him a new contract but should he not prove himself first with a bit of a playoff run? Something? Not just 10 days of Linsanity?

The knicks were 11-14 in the 25 games prior to the Melo trade last year. And that's the team that he had BALLIN!!

Is he gonna leave now if we don't extend? If not, then why the rush to judgement?

Are the Knicks overachieving on defense? I would say yes. Is there a better replacement out there as coach? For the roster and especially Lin, I would say no. Do the Knicks need continuity, yes, desperately. For those reasons alone I would probably extend MDA at end of season.

The Knicks are playing much better on defense. Overachieving? Not sure about that. At least they are not terribly under-achieving this year

I would use "overachieving" for Dallas this year. They lost Chandler (and Dwane Casey) and are still 4th in the league in Defensive Efficiency. That's impressive and "overachieving" in my opinion. Kudos to Carlisle for doing an excellent job with that team. I believe that he is an excellent coach (and I liked him as a knick player too).

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:And, I do think PJax can succeed here but who knows ... hopefully we will not have to go there.

PJax has constantly won with a great SG and a low post big man. Generally, that's the formula for the triangle. System makes the PG more of an outside shooter.

For me, that current roster is not one that favors the triangle but is perfect for MDA.

I want to say that if you bring in the likes of PJax, you are also signaling another year of adjustment and probably a hint of a roster change to match the coach.

The bulls did not really have a low post big man.

I think PJax can work this team into his triangle - or figure out how to adjust to it. And maybe it needs to be someone else who fits better. Popovich, Sloan (Great with PG's) - don't really care who. Just want a coach who will bring us back to playoff contention.

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:And, I do think PJax can succeed here but who knows ... hopefully we will not have to go there.

PJax has constantly won with a great SG and a low post big man. Generally, that's the formula for the triangle. System makes the PG more of an outside shooter.

For me, that current roster is not one that favors the triangle but is perfect for MDA.

I want to say that if you bring in the likes of PJax, you are also signaling another year of adjustment and probably a hint of a roster change to match the coach.

The bulls did not really have a low post big man.

I think PJax can work this team into his triangle - or figure out how to adjust to it. And maybe it needs to be someone else who fits better. Popovich, Sloan (Great with PG's) - don't really care who. Just want a coach who will bring us back to playoff contention.

They used Bill Cartwright in the first run. And then they had Luc Longley there for a while before transiting Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc to the post and wing.

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:And, I do think PJax can succeed here but who knows ... hopefully we will not have to go there.

PJax has constantly won with a great SG and a low post big man. Generally, that's the formula for the triangle. System makes the PG more of an outside shooter.

For me, that current roster is not one that favors the triangle but is perfect for MDA.

I want to say that if you bring in the likes of PJax, you are also signaling another year of adjustment and probably a hint of a roster change to match the coach.

The bulls did not really have a low post big man.

I think PJax can work this team into his triangle - or figure out how to adjust to it. And maybe it needs to be someone else who fits better. Popovich, Sloan (Great with PG's) - don't really care who. Just want a coach who will bring us back to playoff contention.

They used Bill Cartwright in the first run. And then they had Luc Longley there for a while before transiting Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc to the post and wing.

Oh - you meant the high post triangle guy (not a low post scorer) sorry - not sure what you meant.

That could be anybody. Chandler, Stat ... And Lin would have a field day running around that.

Chandler, Stat do not fit the triangle big man post play

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

Martin, its not just about weak resources but if you overachieve with them (e.g. JVG 1999). I think I've seen you agree/suggest prior to linsanity to see how the season plays out before extending. Whats the rush? What is it fails/falls apart etc ...? I am not saying that we should not give him a new contract but should he not prove himself first with a bit of a playoff run? Something? Not just 10 days of Linsanity?

The knicks were 11-14 in the 25 games prior to the Melo trade last year. And that's the team that he had BALLIN!!

Is he gonna leave now if we don't extend? If not, then why the rush to judgement?

I think you just accidentally compared or lined up overachieving with the 99 roster and what MDA had over the course of his first 3 years? I would say with one you can overachieve, with the other, who cares.

playoff achievement is not necessarily a barometer for me... what happens if the Knicks run into Miami in first round and go toe-to-toe in 7 game loss?

Are the Knicks overachieving on defense? I would say yes. Is there a better replacement out there as coach? For the roster and especially Lin, I would say no. Do the Knicks need continuity, yes, desperately. For those reasons alone I would probably extend MDA at end of season.

Martin, the 99 team just overachieved and it was unexpected - this team is alot better than the 99 knicks IMHO so they now need to play up to expectations (def not below).

What happens if they play Orlando, Phil, Atlanta or Indiana and look awful? Extend? Not me. If they run into Miami and go a tough 7, I'm in.

The '99 team did not overachieve. The 99 team was on the cover of Sporting News and Sports Illustrated. When we signed Spree we were the favorite to contend for the East. It just so happened, as usually happens when you get rid of core players(like Oakley) and replace them with new guys it takes a while for the team to learn to play together. It took us almost a full season to adapt to the new players. We almost missed the playoffs and gelled when the time was right. The reason why we haven't won in 40 years in NY is that we never stick with things. After every season we find who to blame, we fire them, trade them, gut the roster and then start all over again. we never sit back and say okay the coach needs more help here, here and here now let's go get it for him.

It's time to stop this nonsense. We should not be in a rush to fire anyone. Stop the madness. Get the guy the tools that he needs. Keep improving the roster. When this roster is championship level, if at that point he can't get over the hump, then you replace him with someone who can. But why start over now? Why fire the coach now or after this season? Where does that get you? Other than being able to say "we got rid of that jerk" it does nothing for us.

Phil Jackson is the only coach you should consider changing plans for. The rest of the coaches in this league(that you have a chance of getting) have just as many flaws as D'Antoni. So what is the point?

By the way, how is Mark "I cut Jeremy Lin" Jackson doing? Should Golden State fire him?