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2/18/2012  5:47 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:Lets see how this 22 year old responds to his first set back. That's how you find out what you have in a player.

PS Lin's BAD game was still strong and had it's good moments. Like when Kobe has a bad game it's usually a 20+ scoring game with bad shooting percentage and turnovers. That's what Lin's game last night felt like. I think he's for real.

I agree. I mean he is basically a rookie still. Last night he had no help from novak or fields who missed about 10-15 open shots. Yes he had turnovers but some of the turnover were unforced which hasn't happened to him. Once melo,smith,and baron come in he will have more weapons. Also fatigue may be a factor since he has played a ton of minutes
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2/18/2012  5:59 PM
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NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

Lets look at it carefully. Did you notice that Lin shot 8 for 18 which is .444 and he also made 8 our of 10 foul shots, which makes his effective shooting percentage even higher.

Now look at the rest of the team. Walker was 1-5, Fields was 1 for 8. Novak was 2-9 and Shumpert was 3 for 9. So was it the guy that scored 26 points, 5 assists and also had 4 steals to offset some of his turnovers, or was it the guys who shot 7 for 31 or .225%?

Rondo has 3.5 turn overs a game. Add in 3 of Lin's 4 steals and he is up to 6.5. So he had 2.5 extra turnovers, which gets wiped out easily by the 8 for 10 foul shots. I say Walker, Fields, Novak and Shumpert were the guys that lost this game.

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2/18/2012  6:03 PM
lin is only gonna get better. yes he has to make adjustments but he will. Also once we have all our weapons he wont have to do most of the work anymore
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2/18/2012  6:32 PM
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holfresh wrote:
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

Lets look at it carefully. Did you notice that Lin shot 8 for 18 which is .444 and he also made 8 our of 10 foul shots, which makes his effective shooting percentage even higher.

Now look at the rest of the team. Walker was 1-5, Fields was 1 for 8. Novak was 2-9 and Shumpert was 3 for 9. So was it the guy that scored 26 points, 5 assists and also had 4 steals to offset some of his turnovers, or was it the guys who shot 7 for 31 or .225%?

Rondo has 3.5 turn overs a game. Add in 3 of Lin's 4 steals and he is up to 6.5. So he had 2.5 extra turnovers, which gets wiped out easily by the 8 for 10 foul shots. I say Walker, Fields, Novak and Shumpert were the guys that lost this game.

Amare was playing well too...Why didn't he get the ball the last 4 minutes of the game?...TO and other mistakes you can work on...You have to give the ball to the stars when the game is on the line...No excuses...

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2/18/2012  7:06 PM
I don't think it was about the last 4 minutes. By then, the Knicks were simply too far behind, and everything had to break in their favor for them to have even a chance.

Its mind boggling that Walker, Fields, Shumpert and Novak all played so badly on the same day. 31 shots at .225% is simply awful. (Its truly amazing that a combination of Chandler, Amare and Lin were able to play well enough to make the game close at the end.)

One might be tempted to criticize Lin for taking so many shots and having so few assists. But he did the only thing he could do, which was to stop passing to the guys who were missing, and take more shots himself. He gave Novak a key shot near the end, and he missed it yet again.

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2/18/2012  7:48 PM
rvwink wrote:I don't think it was about the last 4 minutes. By then, the Knicks were simply too far behind, and everything had to break in their favor for them to have even a chance.

Its mind boggling that Walker, Fields, Shumpert and Novak all played so badly on the same day. 31 shots at .225% is simply awful. (Its truly amazing that a combination of Chandler, Amare and Lin were able to play well enough to make the game close at the end.)

One might be tempted to criticize Lin for taking so many shots and having so few assists. But he did the only thing he could do, which was to stop passing to the guys who were missing, and take more shots himself. He gave Novak a key shot near the end, and he missed it yet again.

well lin took 18 shots and had 26 pts so he shot less than he had been. I agree many of his teamates didn't shoot well in the same game and they all look disinterested. I mean the hornets played well but lets face it even on a bad night the knicks should have won that. A lot of lazy passes and nobody moved around to the ball
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2/18/2012  8:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2012  8:17 PM
rvwink wrote:I don't think it was about the last 4 minutes. By then, the Knicks were simply too far behind, and everything had to break in their favor for them to have even a chance.

Its mind boggling that Walker, Fields, Shumpert and Novak all played so badly on the same day. 31 shots at .225% is simply awful. (Its truly amazing that a combination of Chandler, Amare and Lin were able to play well enough to make the game close at the end.)

One might be tempted to criticize Lin for taking so many shots and having so few assists. But he did the only thing he could do, which was to stop passing to the guys who were missing, and take more shots himself. He gave Novak a key shot near the end, and he missed it yet again.



Sorry you are right...It was actually the last 7 minutes of the game Amare didn't get the ball....
The score was 78-75 with 3:30 to go and the Knicks,sorry, Lin had the ball...

7:00 12-6 Amare Stoudemire makes 18-foot jumper (Jeremy Lin assists)
6:39 Greivis Vasquez bad pass 12-6
6:28 12-6 Jeremy Lin misses 5-foot two point shot
6:26 12-6 Amare Stoudemire offensive rebound
6:26 12-6 Trevor Ariza blocks Amare Stoudemire's 4-foot jumper
6:24 Trevor Ariza defensive rebound 12-6
6:13 Gustavo Ayon misses 15-foot jumper 12-6
6:11 12-6 Jeremy Lin defensive rebound
6:01 12-8 Bill Walker makes driving layup
5:45 Greivis Vasquez bad pass (Amare Stoudemire steals) 12-8
5:41 12-8 Landry Fields misses layup
5:39 Chris Kaman defensive rebound 12-8
5:33 Marco Belinelli makes 25-foot three point jumper (Greivis Vasquez assists) 15-8
5:20 Chris Kaman shooting foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul) 15-8
5:20 New York full timeout
5:20 Jarrett Jack enters the game for Greivis Vasquez 15-8
5:20 15-8 Tyson Chandler misses free throw 1 of 2
5:20 15-8 New York offensive team rebound
5:20 15-8 Tyson Chandler misses free throw 2 of 2
5:20 Gustavo Ayon defensive rebound 15-8
5:00 Gustavo Ayon makes 2-foot two point shot (Chris Kaman assists) 17-8
4:48 Marco Belinelli shooting foul (Landry Fields draws the foul) 17-8
4:48 17-8 Landry Fields misses free throw 1 of 2
4:48 17-8 New York offensive team rebound
4:48 17-8 Iman Shumpert enters the game for Bill Walker
4:48 17-9 Landry Fields makes free throw 2 of 2
4:48 17-9 Jared Jeffries enters the game for Amare Stoudemire
4:28 17-9 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
4:28 Gustavo Ayon loose ball foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul) 17-9
4:28 17-10 Tyson Chandler makes free throw 1 of 2
4:31 Marco Belinelli misses 21-foot jumper 17-10
4:28 Al-Farouq Aminu enters the game for Gustavo Ayon 17-10
4:28 17-10 Tyson Chandler misses free throw 2 of 2
4:26 Al-Farouq Aminu defensive rebound 17-10
4:11 Jarrett Jack makes jumper (Chris Kaman assists) 19-10
3:57 19-12 Jeremy Lin makes 14-foot jumper
3:47 Al-Farouq Aminu bad pass (Jeremy Lin steals) 19-12
3:45 19-12 Jeremy Lin lost ball (Marco Belinelli steals)
3:35 Jarrett Jack offensive foul (Jared Jeffries draws the foul) 19-12
3:35 Jarrett Jack turnover 19-12
3:28 Marco Belinelli shooting foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul) 19-12
3:28 19-13 Tyson Chandler makes free throw 1 of 2
3:28 Xavier Henry enters the game for Marco Belinelli 19-13
3:28 19-13 Tyson Chandler misses free throw 2 of 2
3:26 Trevor Ariza defensive rebound 19-13
3:01 Trevor Ariza makes 20-foot jumper 21-13
2:44 21-13 Iman Shumpert misses 23-foot three point jumper
2:42 Trevor Ariza defensive rebound 21-13
2:25 Chris Kaman makes 18-foot jumper (Jarrett Jack assists) 23-13
2:10 23-13 Jeremy Lin bad pass (Al-Farouq Aminu steals)
1:59 23-13 Tyson Chandler personal foul (Jarrett Jack draws the foul)
1:59 New Orleans full timeout
1:59 23-13 Steve Novak enters the game for Jeremy Lin
1:53 Jarrett Jack misses 17-foot jumper 23-13
1:51 23-13 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
1:32 23-13 Steve Novak misses 25-foot three point jumper
1:31 Jarrett Jack defensive rebound 23-13
1:20 Chris Kaman bad pass 23-13
1:00 23-13 Xavier Henry blocks Tyson Chandler's 4-foot jumper
0:59 23-13 Steve Novak offensive rebound
0:58 23-13 Steve Novak misses 25-foot three point jumper
0:57 23-13 New York defensive team rebound
0:57 23-13 Tyson Chandler loose ball foul (Chris Kaman draws the foul)
0:57 Chris Kaman makes free throw 1 of 2 24-13
0:57 24-13 Bill Walker enters the game for Tyson Chandler
0:57 Chris Kaman makes free throw 2 of 2 25-13
0:49 25-13 Iman Shumpert double dribble
0:36 25-13 Jared Jeffries personal foul (Chris Kaman draws the foul)
0:36 Chris Kaman makes free throw 1 of 2 26-13
0:36 Chris Kaman makes free throw 2 of 2 27-13
0:20 27-13 Iman Shumpert misses layup
0:19 Chris Kaman defensive rebound 27-13
0:00 Xavier Henry misses 5-foot two point shot 27-13
0:00 New Orleans offensive team rebound 27-13
0:00 End of the 1st Quarter

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2/18/2012  8:16 PM
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

The turnovers were a problem and need to be addressed, but if they shoot better at the free throw line then they wouldn't have lost that game. Don't place the TO blame solely on Lin, as the whole team was turning the ball over throughout the game.

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2/18/2012  8:19 PM
Endydee wrote:
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

The turnovers were a problem and need to be addressed, but if they shoot better at the free throw line then they wouldn't have lost that game. Don't place the TO blame solely on Lin, as the whole team was turning the ball over throughout the game.

Lin had 9 TO the rest of the team had 12...

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2/19/2012  12:15 AM
holfresh wrote:
Endydee wrote:
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

The turnovers were a problem and need to be addressed, but if they shoot better at the free throw line then they wouldn't have lost that game. Don't place the TO blame solely on Lin, as the whole team was turning the ball over throughout the game.

Lin had 9 TO the rest of the team had 12...

the important thing is that lin saved our season so he had one bad game but the rest of the team was just awful last night
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2/19/2012  12:34 AM
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Endydee wrote:
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

The turnovers were a problem and need to be addressed, but if they shoot better at the free throw line then they wouldn't have lost that game. Don't place the TO blame solely on Lin, as the whole team was turning the ball over throughout the game.

Lin had 9 TO the rest of the team had 12...

the important thing is that lin saved our season so he had one bad game but the rest of the team was just awful last night

Very true but its also fair to say that its a legit concern. Like Shumpert, hopefully having a full camp and preseason will cut those TO's down considerably.

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2/19/2012  12:39 AM
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JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Endydee wrote:
NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

The turnovers were a problem and need to be addressed, but if they shoot better at the free throw line then they wouldn't have lost that game. Don't place the TO blame solely on Lin, as the whole team was turning the ball over throughout the game.

Lin had 9 TO the rest of the team had 12...

the important thing is that lin saved our season so he had one bad game but the rest of the team was just awful last night

Very true but its also fair to say that its a legit concern. Like Shumpert, hopefully having a full camp and preseason will cut those TO's down considerably.

no doubt it is a concern especially against better teams
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2/19/2012  12:21 PM
holfresh wrote:That's the problem ....He is the PG...he has to get others involved and ride guys like Amare...Lin is for real...he has to cut down the TO but more importantly, he has to pass the ball in the 4th qt...

Hornets packed the paint. They basically said we are taking Amare and Tyson out of the game and Lin will need to beat them by scoring, going to the line on hard fouls or Lin kicking it out to open shooters. Well, Lin scored when not fouled. He missed some of his FTs but not late. Perimeter players did not hit the open shots. That is why we lost. Great job by the Hornets and great game plan by Monty.

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2/19/2012  12:58 PM
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holfresh wrote:That's the problem ....He is the PG...he has to get others involved and ride guys like Amare...Lin is for real...he has to cut down the TO but more importantly, he has to pass the ball in the 4th qt...

Hornets packed the paint. They basically said we are taking Amare and Tyson out of the game and Lin will need to beat them by scoring, going to the line on hard fouls or Lin kicking it out to open shooters. Well, Lin scored when not fouled. He missed some of his FTs but not late. Perimeter players did not hit the open shots. That is why we lost. Great job by the Hornets and great game plan by Monty.

I agree. Lin could of had at least 10 assist if his team actually made wide open shots. Look lin had a lot of turnovers but other than that he played a good game. Melo will help when he gets back and hopefully melo will actually make it through a game without injuring himself I swear the guy is made of glass
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