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Do you think Mike D'Antoni can lead the Knicks to a championship?
Yes, I have complete faith that D'Antoni can coach us to a title.
No, D'Antoni will hold the Knicks back and we need a better head coach to win a title.
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CrushAlot
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2/15/2012  10:30 PM
islesfan wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:What has he done here to warrant an extension?

when you give a gourmet cook nothing but hotdogs, powdered egg whites and water and say go, what do you expect?

And if you finally give that cook ingredients to work with and ask what has he done to warrant an extension, you are asking the wrong question.

If I were the chef that was given 2 full years to get my kitchen and staff in order before I received my top quality ingredients, you can bet my kitchen would be firing as soon as those ingredients came in. It wouldn't be almost another 2 years later where I was hoping that some old crabmeat, that might be past their prime (BD), could come in and tie together my pork belly (Amare) and foie gras (Melo) together. Getting a mystery box filled with caviar (Lin) shouldn't have been what saved the restaurant.

How about if you were the chef and you were given new ingredients in addititon to the bland ingredients mentioned. In addition, your boss brought those ingredients in and told you that after your second year the restaurant would no longer have those bland ingredients. Would you continue to use the bland ingredients and not use any of the ingredients that your boss brought in to be used in his vision of your future restaurant? How about if your restaurant was failing horribly? Would you still refuse to change? Also, can you imagine how humiliated you would feel if food distributors of the best ingredients rejected you because your style of cooking was too bland and focused on only one spice? The ultimate humiliation would be when you had to have a reconciliation meeting with the distributor for the food that did best with the spice you liked to use before he would sell his food to your boss.
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2/15/2012  10:31 PM
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2/15/2012  10:34 PM
GustavBahler wrote:The secret ingredient is.....Lin!

YUP! What did most of us say was missing all year? A PG!!! If we had one to start the year this season could've started off much better. Now the Knicks have to make up for bad losses and get the highest seed they can.

The team has a good coaching staff. They've stayed the course and just kept working. The defense was out ahead of the offense and they've continued to work on it and develop great defensive chemistry. If they had given up and didn't work with Lin at all, this doesn't happen. Lin thanked the staff, Kenny Atkinson in particular for working with him. This franchise is finally working together and everyone is pushing in the same direction.
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2/15/2012  10:43 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:The secret ingredient is.....Lin!

YUP! What did most of us say was missing all year? A PG!!! If we had one to start the year this season could've started off much better. Now the Knicks have to make up for bad losses and get the highest seed they can.

The team has a good coaching staff. They've stayed the course and just kept working. The defense was out ahead of the offense and they've continued to work on it and develop great defensive chemistry. If they had given up and didn't work with Lin at all, this doesn't happen. Lin thanked the staff, Kenny Atkinson in particular for working with him. This franchise is finally working together and everyone is pushing in the same direction.

No one denied that we needed a better PG, the debate was whether or not D'Antoni was making the best with what he had. I still believe that Lin was a hail mary pass that paid off. I'm glad he gave Lin a shot regardless of the timing.

I'm very happy things are working out for the Knicks and the coaching staff. If they can carry this into the playoffs and make a good showing I will be right with you and everyone else who wants to see D'Antoni's contract extended, not before.
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2/15/2012  10:52 PM
No take out Chinese jokes please.
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2/15/2012  11:06 PM
loweyecue wrote:No take out Chinese jokes please.

I think with D'Antoni it'd be Italian, no?

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2/15/2012  11:15 PM
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martin wrote:isles, MDA hasn't had much more than 4 months with 1 competent group of ingredients.

MDA is not GM and coach. He is the coach who has had caca ingredients til last year. And then he had it switched up.

Until 2 weeks ago he didn't get his main ingredient to work with.

I guess the best way to keep your job long term is to have a sh1tty GM that keeps delivering a sh1tty roster

I don't want him fired or extended. I just want him to prove himself through the playoffs and if successful, extend him. Not before!! No GIFTS!

The guy is proven. His coaching ability is not in question. You don't just lose ability to coach.

Extend now and solidify the identity of this team. Remove the last black cloud hovering above them so that they can roll the sleeves up.

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2/15/2012  11:22 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
martin wrote:isles, MDA hasn't had much more than 4 months with 1 competent group of ingredients.

MDA is not GM and coach. He is the coach who has had caca ingredients til last year. And then he had it switched up.

Until 2 weeks ago he didn't get his main ingredient to work with.

I guess the best way to keep your job long term is to have a sh1tty GM that keeps delivering a sh1tty roster

I don't want him fired or extended. I just want him to prove himself through the playoffs and if successful, extend him. Not before!! No GIFTS!

The guy is proven. His coaching ability is not in question. You don't just lose ability to coach.

Extend now and solidify the identity of this team. Remove the last black cloud hovering above them so that they can roll the sleeves up.


He has been here for 280 games that counted. He hasn't proven anything during that run and is well below .500. A 7 game winning streak doesn't change the outcome of the first 273 games or what has happened in his almost 4 years in NY. The Knick management needs to allow him to finish out the season and really look at all the positives and negatives of keeping D'Antoni after this season in my opinion.
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2/15/2012  11:24 PM
loweyecue wrote:No take out Chinese jokes please.

Asian Fusion!

Isles has yet to say who his mystical new coach would be.
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2/15/2012  11:34 PM
Nalod wrote:
loweyecue wrote:No take out Chinese jokes please.

Asian Fusion!

Isles has yet to say who his mystical new coach would be.

I am not sure why but you always want people that criticize the coach to suggest who should be hired. The reality is the coach in place now has not done very well here. I don't understand why it is neccessary if you point out that someone does a bad job or underachieves to also appoint a potential successor. There are tons of canidates out there and some who maybe getting their first crack at being a head coach. That can work out. Look at Thibs, JVG, Riles with the Lakers. If the Knicks chose a different coach that job is on management. The Knicks just proved that you don't always need a big name guy to turn things around. Sometimes a smart guy with talent and a tremendous work ethic that isn't established can achieve greatness. I think these, Who can do the job better posts are almost as ignorant as throwing out cliches about the current coach this year (i.e. everyone knows the Knicks don't play defense) which I still hear all the time despite how well this team is playing on that end of the floor.
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2/15/2012  11:37 PM
Lol you want some first.timer over a guy that averaged 55+ wins a year and came within a ****s hair.of the finals? Nice, bro, I hope someone like you will be making hiring decision. When I I.twrview for that 200000$ job I have no experience for
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2/15/2012  11:42 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Lol you want some first.timer over a guy that averaged 55+ wins a year and came within a ****s hair.of the finals? Nice, bro, I hope someone like you will be making hiring decision. When I I.twrview for that 200000$ job I have no experience for

Nah. I want someone who averages 34 wins a year to get extended after a 7 game win streak.
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2/15/2012  11:45 PM

Ok, but you have a team with established players and bringing in a guy with no juice may not work.

Its easy to say "fire the coach" with no one in mind to say why because a new coach will run a particular system.

You know, if MDA was all flexible, does anyone really know for sure the team would have done better?

Riles adapted wit the Knicks but that was the smashmouth era where Detroit had done really well and you had Ewing who would never play uptempo.

I don't see MDA has having a roster that would have warranted a high expectation. I thought premelo drama with the team 5 games over .500 was over achieving. Felton is a strong 2nd tier/backup typeplayer and he looked great here. His game has fallen. Why? Guess. He not playing MDA ball.

Team has is now beating all the teams it should. The meat of the schedule is ahead and will prove a lot.

I'd extend him. Dolan extended isiah when he was a train wreck. Its my opinion and I give reasons. I think its reasonable to offer an alternative coach and reasons for it. Even if its a young guy coming from a successful team.

He has his PG now. I do expect the team to compete at a higher level.
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2/15/2012  11:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Lol you want some first.timer over a guy that averaged 55+ wins a year and came within a ****s hair.of the finals? Nice, bro, I hope someone like you will be making hiring decision. When I I.twrview for that 200000$ job I have no experience for

Nah. I want someone who averages 34 wins a year to get extended after a 7 game win streak.

This argument is ridiculous. We both know it. Not sure why.it keeps coming back.

You throw 3 different teams over four years at the.guy, literally four different teams, and he still gives you your first winning season o a decade last year.

So we won't use that argument anymore, you know its crazy, I know its crazy.

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2/16/2012  12:34 AM
wait, was the backcourt of Duhon, Q supposed to lead us to .500? did I miss something?
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2/16/2012  12:35 AM
martin wrote:wait, was the backcourt of Duhon, Q supposed to lead us to .500? did I miss something?

yes. we were supposed to compete in those throwaway seasons. this is NY. we do it big.

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2/16/2012  12:41 AM
eViL wrote:
martin wrote:wait, was the backcourt of Duhon, Q supposed to lead us to .500? did I miss something?

yes. we were supposed to compete in those throwaway seasons. this is NY. we do it big.

or actually: since they were throwaway seasons and we were supposed to lose anyway -- we should have force-fed our young players to help them rapidly improve. because thrusting young players on the floor all at the same time helps develop great players and great teams faster. just look at the Kings and the Wizards. Mike should have dumped his vets on the scrap heap and went all in with youth. that's the ticket.

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2/16/2012  12:44 AM
Nalod wrote:
loweyecue wrote:No take out Chinese jokes please.

Asian Fusion!

Isles has yet to say who his mystical new coach would be.

Mike Woodson Interim Head Coach

Then see who's available after the season.

I hear Larry Brown wants back in.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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2/16/2012  12:46 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:
loweyecue wrote:No take out Chinese jokes please.

Asian Fusion!

Isles has yet to say who his mystical new coach would be.

I am not sure why but you always want people that criticize the coach to suggest who should be hired. The reality is the coach in place now has not done very well here. I don't understand why it is neccessary if you point out that someone does a bad job or underachieves to also appoint a potential successor. There are tons of canidates out there and some who maybe getting their first crack at being a head coach. That can work out. Look at Thibs, JVG, Riles with the Lakers. If the Knicks chose a different coach that job is on management. The Knicks just proved that you don't always need a big name guy to turn things around. Sometimes a smart guy with talent and a tremendous work ethic that isn't established can achieve greatness. I think these, Who can do the job better posts are almost as ignorant as throwing out cliches about the current coach this year (i.e. everyone knows the Knicks don't play defense) which I still hear all the time despite how well this team is playing on that end of the floor.

It's the same reason that people here refused to acknowledge anyone calling for isiah to be fired without naming a replacement. As if nobody out there could ever replace him.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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2/16/2012  12:50 AM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:I think it's fair to evaluate MDA the rest of the year into the playoffs...He should not be extended until he shows he can progress in the playoffs...He has nice pieces now and willing defenders...There really isn't an excuse for him now...First round out is unacceptable...It's also depends on who we play, on how we play and how he caoches in the playoffs...The playoffs are always a truth teller...I know who a player is and who a coach is from there playoff performance...MDA didn't do well last year..I'm skeptical ...

Not for nothing but MDA was wanted by the Bulls and Knicks because he had PROVEN that he can get deep into the playoffs. MDA did have this team ready to play in the Celtic's series. If not for injuries who knows what happens in that series. Can we at least be honest about what really went down? MDA has been to the Conference finals twice. It's not a question that he can help get a team there.


I'm not sure what you want NIx, You want us to go all in on this guy because of his record in Phoenix...I'm not a Phoenix fan, I'm a Knick fan...Since he has been here, lets be honest, no matter how bad the many teams were, when has any of these teams overachieved???...When have you once said, wow, now that's what this coach brings that no other coach could have...U also have to admit, Doc clearly out coached him...I wasn't looking for playoff wins, I was looking for timely time outs...Looking for plays called, looking for the right subs...I remember going nuts during the playoffs posting these things...It's wasn't about wins...

Before Lin we had some nice pieces..This guy is so rigid that he couldn't see a way thru his style of play...He couldn't come up with a way to use the strength of his front line and u telling me about Phoenix and what the Bulls could have done...

It's very difficult for any coach to have a team all season that was working and knew what to do. Then you change out that roster and bring in new guys and the PG that you need to learn the system and bring everything together gets hurt and misses important games. Billups lost important time in the regular season and then went down in the playoffs. You think Mike got out coached when he lost his best PG??? You're WAY off base. That Knicks team kept playing hard even undermanned. I saw nothing to suggest that he was out coached. That's just not being fair to MDA. If you took away Doc's big weapons and he lost would you say he was out coached?

+1

Any coach can win with three great player and time to gel.

Some practice time. Pre season

Lin shows how great we can be ....

Soon everyone will believe. Can't wait for Melo on Friday or Sunday

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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