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2/15/2012  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2012  2:37 PM
I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

Only thing I'd say is lets see how MDA handles the Melo situation before extending him. Maybe Melo will just fit right in and mike won't even need to worry about it but if Melo is not 100% with the program it will be his job to talk to Melo and change him. Unfortunately its not coaches way or the highway. It's Superstar way or SUV curbside exit interviews.

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2/15/2012  2:32 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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2/15/2012  2:36 PM
Anji wrote:Like I said, I don't like the coach so I tend to believe in other reasons than his ablitiy to coach are the reason for the defensive.

I was going to post a thread about who took over MDA's body because the team defensively are doing great things like not switching on every single screen or pick, extending atleast to 25-30 feet out pretty much all game and traping like crazy. We've had the personal to do that pretty much since christmas when JJ2 came back. So am to believe that Lin is the reason for this, that players had their meet of the minds and decided to change??? Or maybe Woodson has had enough time to get to MDA or maybe Mike'D is seeing the light???

Who knows, but I tend to believe it is coming from some where that isn't Mike'D.

Actually you don't know what you're talking about cuz Mike did this before using TD in the past. One thing that all you resident geniuses don't realize is that when you keep changing players on a coach, it messes up his ability to institute his full gameplan. You need time to get a good feel for how to use your roster. Once MDA isn't having to put out fires, he's able to coach other aspects of the game even better. It's this kind of bias and ignorance that just proves there are a lot of fans that know next to nothing about what it's like to coach a team and make it all work.

Mike was the one who had the final say on picking Shump. He once tried to pick a defensive PG in the draft long ago and it failed cuz that player didn't pan out, but he has his concepts on what he needs. Mike has fought to have Jared and for a reason. If he was such a boob on defense would he do those things? Mike has NEVER been as anti defense as people have tried to make him out to be.

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2/15/2012  2:40 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

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2/15/2012  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2012  2:53 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

Maybe MDA in game coaching is still suspect with how he manages minutes, but you can't discount the fact that Lin's eyes light up when talking about MDA as he praises him for being an offensive genius and how the spacing allows him to do what he does. We've been scoring over 100pts again but unlike the previous years they actually emphasize defense and we have the players in chandler, Shump, Jorts & Jeffries to defend.

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2/15/2012  2:47 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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2/15/2012  2:48 PM
Anji wrote:Like I said, I don't like the coach so I tend to believe in other reasons than his ablitiy to coach are the reason for the defensive.

I was going to post a thread about who took over MDA's body because the team defensively are doing great things like not switching on every single screen or pick, extending atleast to 25-30 feet out pretty much all game and traping like crazy. We've had the personal to do that pretty much since christmas when JJ2 came back. So am to believe that Lin is the reason for this, that players had their meet of the minds and decided to change??? Or maybe Woodson has had enough time to get to MDA or maybe Mike'D is seeing the light???

Who knows, but I tend to believe it is coming from some where that isn't Mike'D.

D'Antoni and Woodson are not competing against each other or forcing another t see the light. They are working together to maximize the the abilities of the team. We are not Carmelo Anthony. We are not Mike D'antoni. What Lin has shown us is that we are a team. With the improve defense, along with our offense we are seeing that we are a coaching staff. What we need now is t become a great organization so that we can start winning championships instead of pointing fingers, laying blame and pitting coach against coach, coach against player and coach against front office.

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2/15/2012  2:49 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

Maybe MDA in game coaching is still suspect but you can't discount the fact that Lin's eyes light up when talking about MDA as he praises him for being an offensive genius and how the spacing allows him to do what he does. We've been scoring over 100pts again but unlike the previous years they actually emphasize defense and we have the players in chandler, Shump, Jorts & Jeffries to defend.

Come on. Lin wouldn't be throwing anybody under the bus much less his head coach. You need to explain this offensive genius. What has Antoni done differently than any other head coach would have done. Spacing? That's basic basketball that you learn in grade school.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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2/15/2012  2:54 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

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2/15/2012  2:56 PM
I'm with nykbocker. If lin and mda go, I am done with.the team. You can't keep breaking my heart and expect me to love you baby
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2/15/2012  2:56 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

Maybe MDA in game coaching is still suspect but you can't discount the fact that Lin's eyes light up when talking about MDA as he praises him for being an offensive genius and how the spacing allows him to do what he does. We've been scoring over 100pts again but unlike the previous years they actually emphasize defense and we have the players in chandler, Shump, Jorts & Jeffries to defend.

Come on. Lin wouldn't be throwing anybody under the bus much less his head coach. You need to explain this offensive genius. What has Antoni done differently than any other head coach would have done. Spacing? That's basic basketball that you learn in grade school.

IGNORANCE!!! You need to educate yourself on what Mike does for his players and in particular PG's. Go look at how much better PG's play for Mike. Not SG's that are forced to play PG, but actual PG's.

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2/15/2012  2:58 PM
islesfan wrote:Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had?

This ^ I agree with.

LOL I love it when Islefan & Nixluva go at it. It's like Fire & Ice

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2/15/2012  2:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2012  3:00 PM
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Anji wrote:Like I said, I don't like the coach so I tend to believe in other reasons than his ablitiy to coach are the reason for the defensive.

I was going to post a thread about who took over MDA's body because the team defensively are doing great things like not switching on every single screen or pick, extending atleast to 25-30 feet out pretty much all game and traping like crazy. We've had the personal to do that pretty much since christmas when JJ2 came back. So am to believe that Lin is the reason for this, that players had their meet of the minds and decided to change??? Or maybe Woodson has had enough time to get to MDA or maybe Mike'D is seeing the light???

Who knows, but I tend to believe it is coming from some where that isn't Mike'D.

Actually you don't know what you're talking about cuz Mike did this before using TD in the past.


Damn, I was thinking about the Nixluva post that says everything was being done already and you beat me to it.

Tony Dougalus deciding to pick up his man full court by himself and running into a pick so hard that you groan in pain because there isn't a teammate within 30 feet of him, isn't same thing as the coordinated pressure we are putting on teams since the Jazz game.

Also JJ2 trying to get a steal on a inbound after a scoring and then chasing his man back down court vs the hard traps and full court pressure with his teammates, is not the same thing either.

The rest is bull****, and I'ii admit that what I post could be bull****.... but I'll tell you that right off the bat.
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2/15/2012  3:00 PM
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

They didn't decide on Lin, they were left with him after nobody else worked. Get it straight. There was no plan. It was desperation and it worked out better than anybody expected. As for tons of other options, the Knicks almost waived Lin to sign the immortal Mike James. The end of bench option was to sign any PG out there.

Lin was dumb luck, stop pretending that it was anything other than that. There was no grand plan by Antoni to get Lin where he is today.

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2/15/2012  3:03 PM
Mike has used Jared to defend the PG and so he's always been looking to put more pressure on the ball handler. It's not like he's never tried to apply more on ball pressure before.

This is the thing, This is what we brought MDA here to do!!! We finally have a PG, All Stars, Size. The only thing we need to fix is the perimeter shooting needs to pick up. Melo will help with that and subtracting Walker will help. This coach is not our problem and his system is not our problem.

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2/15/2012  3:04 PM
nixluva wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:
islesfan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

Maybe MDA in game coaching is still suspect but you can't discount the fact that Lin's eyes light up when talking about MDA as he praises him for being an offensive genius and how the spacing allows him to do what he does. We've been scoring over 100pts again but unlike the previous years they actually emphasize defense and we have the players in chandler, Shump, Jorts & Jeffries to defend.

Come on. Lin wouldn't be throwing anybody under the bus much less his head coach. You need to explain this offensive genius. What has Antoni done differently than any other head coach would have done. Spacing? That's basic basketball that you learn in grade school.

IGNORANCE!!! You need to educate yourself on what Mike does for his players and in particular PG's. Go look at how much better PG's play for Mike. Not SG's that are forced to play PG, but actual PG's.

Yes, give Antoni talented players and you'll give him all the credit for their talent. Lin really knows how to run the PnR, so let's give Antoni all the credit for Lin's skill. Lin is a much better finisher than anybody ever imagined, so let's give Antoni all the credit for that too. Lin knows how to break down a defense, in your twisted mind Antoni gets all the credit for that too. You're just Ridiculous.

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2/15/2012  3:08 PM
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Anji wrote:Like I said, I don't like the coach so I tend to believe in other reasons than his ablitiy to coach are the reason for the defensive.

I was going to post a thread about who took over MDA's body because the team defensively are doing great things like not switching on every single screen or pick, extending atleast to 25-30 feet out pretty much all game and traping like crazy. We've had the personal to do that pretty much since christmas when JJ2 came back. So am to believe that Lin is the reason for this, that players had their meet of the minds and decided to change??? Or maybe Woodson has had enough time to get to MDA or maybe Mike'D is seeing the light???

Who knows, but I tend to believe it is coming from some where that isn't Mike'D.

D'Antoni and Woodson are not competing against each other or forcing another t see the light. They are working together to maximize the the abilities of the team. We are not Carmelo Anthony. We are not Mike D'antoni. What Lin has shown us is that we are a team. With the improve defense, along with our offense we are seeing that we are a coaching staff. What we need now is t become a great organization so that we can start winning championships instead of pointing fingers, laying blame and pitting coach against coach, coach against player and coach against front office.


That could be, but you can't tell me because of Lins play we have to get tied to MDA. I'm happy we are winning though, but I'm not sold on the coach.
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2/15/2012  3:10 PM
islesfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
islesfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
islesfan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

They didn't decide on Lin, they were left with him after nobody else worked. Get it straight. There was no plan. It was desperation and it worked out better than anybody expected. As for tons of other options, the Knicks almost waived Lin to sign the immortal Mike James. The end of bench option was to sign any PG out there.

Lin was dumb luck, stop pretending that it was anything other than that. There was no grand plan by Antoni to get Lin where he is today.

You really don't know what you're talking about. MDA CHOSE LIN!!! He was told by Glen that Lin was available and Mike was all over that. They didn't have to pick up Lin off waivers. Mike already liked what he saw in Lin from his draft workout and so why not bring him in and see what he could do. Then the team was struggling and Mike was focused on trying to fix the problems.

Did anyone think Lin was going to do all this? Heck no! Still they did work with Lin and get him ready to try and help the team. The more they worked with Lin the more they saw that he was a good player. The coaches saw it. The Players saw it and in the end he got his shot. Yeah it was a desperate situation, but they didn't just ignore Lin and all of a sudden he just got on the court and played well. They had to work with him and give him instruction and once he got it, he took it from there.

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2/15/2012  3:13 PM

NObody saw Lin coming.

Nobody!

Not even Briggs himself.

Good call to give him a try because the low bench mark that was TD was not hard to trump.

Nobody saw this coming.

There are those that said the kid played well in high school, in college but nobody saw this.

Somethings you don't ask why, you just enjoy.

I for one am enjoying it!

It might not last, But Im enjoying these games and manage my expectations.

I thought last nite we can say "he had bad nite" and still was better than what we were getting with TD.

I thought last nite we'd lose and at least some of the circus surround him might go away a bit.

Team came back, we shook our heads, and when he nailed the three we just laughed!

Love MDA, hate him, what ever. If you enjoying the games then we all win!

Isles im sure heckled Bambi when he was a kid!

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2/15/2012  3:14 PM
Lin is not tied to Antoni. Lin will be a good player with or without Antoni. The question that needs to be asked is if you believe Antoni can coach this team to a championship. Plain and simple. Anybody that has watched him his entire tenure in NY can't objectively answer that in the affirmative.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
with Lin in the fold how do you NOT extend MDA?

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