Bonn1997 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Wack poll. Trade still terrible. Lin falling in our lap is pure luck.

There's really nothing else to say. If Melo were doing his job, you wouldn't need to create illogical polls to justify the trade.

islesfan wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

islesfan wrote:

Andrew wrote:

islesfan wrote:

Andrew wrote:

islesfan wrote:Where are all the New York Nuggets fans that were still crying about the Carmelo trade just over a week ago?

Is this about the trade? Why did you include Lin and Tyson in the list then?

Because Chandler probably isn't a Knick if that trade doesn't go down if you believe the people on this board that Mozgov was the Center of the future and Lin is most definitely not a Knick with the immortal Raymond Felton running the offense.

Way to skew everything towards your opinion. So the Knicks keep all the cap money they would have had and do nothing with it. That's your thinking?

I didn't completely dismiss signing Chandler because of Mozgov but Felton would have most definitely blocked what's going on with Lin. I think it would be foolish to think that the roster changes involving Chandler, Shumpert, Novak and Lin would have happened if the Carmelo trade was never made.

Have you seen how Felton's been playing? Any team with him as the starting PG is going to be looking for a replacement. Maybe they sign Lin, maybe not. We don't know what Chandler would have done if we'd outbid other teams too. You're making many assumptions in a desperate attempt to justify a bad trade.

No, no, no. Don't you remember, Felton was great in Antoni's system and he and the rest of the guys traded away were so great together and the Knicks were on their way despite their record. Isn't that what was being said here ad nauseum up until about a week and a half ago?

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Wack poll. Trade still terrible. Lin falling in our lap is pure luck.

There's really nothing else to say. If Melo were doing his job, you wouldn't need to create illogical polls to justify the trade.

We have upgraded the(starting pg, SF and C) positions we lost in the trade so this is poll makes sense.

islesfan wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Wack poll. Trade still terrible. Lin falling in our lap is pure luck.

There's really nothing else to say. If Melo were doing his job, you wouldn't need to create illogical polls to justify the trade.

We have upgraded the(starting pg, SF and C) positions we lost in the trade so this is poll makes sense.

So that justifies assuming that Felton, Gallo, and Mozgov would each be our starters right now if the trade hadn't been made? It justifies having certainty that we would not have signed Chandler, Lin, or anyone else? Do we get to evaluate every trade by including the good transactions made within a year afterward?

You don't think that's a pretty safe assumption? Mozgov maybe or maybe not but the other two are slam dunks.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Knixkik wrote:All Melo deal haters should finally be able to put it to rest, now knowing that without that trade Linsanity would not be possible.

That's retarded logic. The deal itself was horrible. We hit the lotto with Lin.

Marb, don't you think the jury is still out on that? Basically at this point, now that Melo has a PG, if Melo plays great with Lin and he proves to be the superstar/diva that we hoped for, Great Trade! If it does not work/mesh? Bad Trade.

I don't know if it will click but if it does, nobody will be complaining anymore unless they are just trying to not be wrong. Just sayin that we need to wait a bit.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Knixkik wrote:All Melo deal haters should finally be able to put it to rest, now knowing that without that trade Linsanity would not be possible.

That's retarded logic. The deal itself was horrible. We hit the lotto with Lin.

Marb, don't you think the jury is still out on that? Basically at this point, now that Melo has a PG, if Melo plays great with Lin and he proves to be the superstar/diva that we hoped for, Great Trade! If it does not work/mesh? Bad Trade.

I don't know if it will click but if it does, nobody will be complaining anymore unless they are just trying to not be wrong. Just sayin that we need to wait a bit.

Fair, it might work out with melo, but not because it was a smart trade. What was the plan if we didn't strike lightning with lin?

If it works It's luck, not wise dealings. Of course I'll take it, but we can't mince words.

Luck is part of everything in sports. MDA gets fired without lotto-lin. Would he have deserved it? Maybe not but every coach / GM needs luck to succeed just like bad luck will do them in.

If Melo helps them win or get close then nobody questions this trade.

When Eli Manning was traded to NY people all over killed the trade because they gave up way too much. And they did give up way too much because SD would have taken less. Have not heard anyone question that trade in the last few years.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Knixkik wrote:All Melo deal haters should finally be able to put it to rest, now knowing that without that trade Linsanity would not be possible.

That's retarded logic. The deal itself was horrible. We hit the lotto with Lin.

Marb, don't you think the jury is still out on that? Basically at this point, now that Melo has a PG, if Melo plays great with Lin and he proves to be the superstar/diva that we hoped for, Great Trade! If it does not work/mesh? Bad Trade.

I don't know if it will click but if it does, nobody will be complaining anymore unless they are just trying to not be wrong. Just sayin that we need to wait a bit.

Fair, it might work out with melo, but not because it was a smart trade. What was the plan if we didn't strike lightning with lin?

If it works It's luck, not wise dealings. Of course I'll take it, but we can't mince words.

Luck is part of everything in sports. MDA gets fired without lotto-lin. Would he have deserved it? Maybe not but every coach / GM needs luck to succeed just like bad luck will do them in.

If Melo helps them win or get close then nobody questions this trade.

When Eli Manning was traded to NY people all over killed the trade because they gave up way too much. And they did give up way too much because SD would have taken less. Have not heard anyone question that trade in the last few years.

I'm not against luck but the trade itself was terrible. Just as easily we could have a situation where the franchise is wrecked for next five years.

The trade was a bad one. You don't do that trade again if you have.the chance because you can't forecast a Lin falling out of the sky.

Bonn1997 wrote:
I agree with your assessment but it sounds like you have taken at face value Isles' assumption that the only way to get Jeremy Lin was to trade for Carmelo Anthony. It's logically a false assumption and any subsequent discussion is pointless.

Bonn, you should know better than assuming anything. It makes an ass out of u, not me.

nyvector16 wrote:The irony is that we will probably end up with Felton for the 2.5M Exception in the summer.
He really is playing like garbage, but I would take a gamble on him to backup Lin.

you know what.... if Knicks keep this up, I wouldn't put it past Nash to think long and hard about signing for the $2.5M, especially if his family is in NY.