mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg POD

"Suns fan here.

Great plays can make average players good and good players great, and a great play is harder to guard for 48 minutes than a great player. In Jeremy Lin, I see some real potential for the Knicks to learn how to play as a team. If he can learn how to run the most crucial play in D’Antoni’s system - the high pick n roll, the Knicks will be tough to beat.

There seems to be a discussion about the need for this team to find a way to get the ball to both Melo and STAT, the teams “great players.” IMO, in D’Antoni’s system this discussion should only have bearing on the last 5 minutes of close games. That’s because for the rest of the game, it should be a play, not a player, that carries the team. In D’Antoni’s system, and with the personnel in NY, that play is the high pick n roll.

Jeremy Lin shows the instincts and intelligence required for a point guard to run this play successfully. Lin is no Nash, but if he and STAT can develop even a semblance of the chemistry that Nash and Amar’e had, then the Knicks will not have to worry about finding a way for Melo and Amar’e to share the ball: it will take care of itself.

The Pick And Roll in Phoenix, even though it was initiated by Nash and STAT, was not a play designed to get the ball to Amar’e, but it was an extremely efficient way to create an open shot for anybody. If the defense sunk in to help, Nash would find a shooter; if they went under screens, Nash would drain a three, if they played the passing lane, then he’d kick out and find an open shooter.

Steve Nash came to Phoenix as a good player, but this great play turned him into a superstar. Shawn Marion was a good player before, but this play turned him into an extremely efficient player (the Suns didn’t “run any plays” for him, but he still managed to score in bunches, without taking any shots).

Melo is a ball stopper. And while he is nice to have around in the fourth quarter (has he proven this yet, btw?) his demand for the ball is going to cost everyone around him. Maybe I’m pointing out the obvious – that the Knicks need a good pg- but I think its just as important for them to not have a ball-stopper.

Really, he’s got to go, or else this system cannot work. And I’d rather pin my hopes on a team oriented system than on one player."

- escapegoat

Anyone think Melo, his agent, the coach, the GM were all together on what needs to happen over time for Melo to be about winning?

Last season was too small a sample and installing new players on the fly is not really doable.

I see Melo playing in spurts in the team concept and is a better passer than I thought he would be.

If Lin is 2/3 nash we are better than the Heat.

Melo is not a bad guy and the writing is on the wall that he must fit into the team and not the other way around.

He is not a jerk and pretty smart. So I hope he does the right thing.

He is a monster passer! One of the better passing forwards in the league. But, I don't want the plays running through him to make him a passer unless he is the second person to touch the ball and its off a drive / kick or an alley oop.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:SOunds like a nice problem to have. How to fit in 2 All-Stars into a working offense.

STAT is not an issue. He has played this before with Nash and Shaq.

Melo has no choice. If he doesn't the NY fans will ride him unmercifully. If he has half the brains of Lin, he will understand that the better the team does, the more open looks he will get. The more efficient he will be and the better he will look. When he buys in, he will realize that with a solid TEAM, they can win it all. That should motivate any player.

I think Melo, playing with a real point will not have as many issues as some envision.

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg POD

"Suns fan here.

Great plays can make average players good and good players great, and a great play is harder to guard for 48 minutes than a great player. In Jeremy Lin, I see some real potential for the Knicks to learn how to play as a team. If he can learn how to run the most crucial play in D’Antoni’s system - the high pick n roll, the Knicks will be tough to beat.

There seems to be a discussion about the need for this team to find a way to get the ball to both Melo and STAT, the teams “great players.” IMO, in D’Antoni’s system this discussion should only have bearing on the last 5 minutes of close games. That’s because for the rest of the game, it should be a play, not a player, that carries the team. In D’Antoni’s system, and with the personnel in NY, that play is the high pick n roll.

Jeremy Lin shows the instincts and intelligence required for a point guard to run this play successfully. Lin is no Nash, but if he and STAT can develop even a semblance of the chemistry that Nash and Amar’e had, then the Knicks will not have to worry about finding a way for Melo and Amar’e to share the ball: it will take care of itself.

The Pick And Roll in Phoenix, even though it was initiated by Nash and STAT, was not a play designed to get the ball to Amar’e, but it was an extremely efficient way to create an open shot for anybody. If the defense sunk in to help, Nash would find a shooter; if they went under screens, Nash would drain a three, if they played the passing lane, then he’d kick out and find an open shooter.

Steve Nash came to Phoenix as a good player, but this great play turned him into a superstar. Shawn Marion was a good player before, but this play turned him into an extremely efficient player (the Suns didn’t “run any plays” for him, but he still managed to score in bunches, without taking any shots).

Melo is a ball stopper. And while he is nice to have around in the fourth quarter (has he proven this yet, btw?) his demand for the ball is going to cost everyone around him. Maybe I’m pointing out the obvious – that the Knicks need a good pg- but I think its just as important for them to not have a ball-stopper.

Really, he’s got to go, or else this system cannot work. And I’d rather pin my hopes on a team oriented system than on one player."

- escapegoat

Anyone think Melo, his agent, the coach, the GM were all together on what needs to happen over time for Melo to be about winning?

Last season was too small a sample and installing new players on the fly is not really doable.

I see Melo playing in spurts in the team concept and is a better passer than I thought he would be.

If Lin is 2/3 nash we are better than the Heat.

Melo is not a bad guy and the writing is on the wall that he must fit into the team and not the other way around.

He is not a jerk and pretty smart. So I hope he does the right thing.

He is a monster passer! One of the better passing forwards in the league. But, I don't want the plays running through him to make him a passer unless he is the second person to touch the ball and its off a drive / kick or an alley oop.

Nobody said melo is a bad guy. He is actually a decent guy not like the divas on teh heat. However that doesn't mean he fits on this team or a overall great player

Oh, he IS a GREAT PLAYER!

Nobody know if he will fit in hence the point to this thread. We are just hoping that he will.

misterearl wrote:You Want To Satisfy Egos Or Win Basketball Games?

NYKBocker wrote:When Melo and Stat are back I see this happening...

Starters: Tyson, STAT, Melo, Fields, Lin

First Sub: Shump for Lin, Fishlips for STAT, Walker for Fields

2nd SUB: Novak for Melo, STAT for Tyson, Lin for Walker

3rd SUB: Fields for Shump, Tyson for Fishlips.

Rinse, Cycle, Repeat.

If no one had an ego, here is how it would go.

Rationale: Quality depth and balanced skill sets at all times

Starters:

Lin, all in
Landry, dashing and slashing
Carmelo, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Jeffries, defensive dirty work
Chandler, The Captain

Reserves:
Shump, sixth man
Novak, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Harrellson, rebounding and defensive dirty work
Amar'e, swing forward/ center depending on the matchup advantage

It's not who starts, but who finishes.

Managing egos is part of winning basketball. We will need all our stars to go far. Why alienate STAT? What exactly do you think that will accomplish?

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:You Want To Satisfy Egos Or Win Basketball Games?

If no one had an ego, here is how it would go.

Rationale: Quality depth and balanced skill sets at all times

Starters:

Lin, all in
Landry, dashing and slashing
Carmelo, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Jeffries, defensive dirty work
Chandler, The Captain

Reserves:
Shump, sixth man
Novak, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Harrellson, rebounding and defensive dirty work
Amar'e, swing forward/ center depending on the matchup advantage

It's not who starts, but who finishes.

How about this?
Lin
Melo
Jeffries add defense
Novak best shooter -- open room for amare
Amare let amare do what amare does best -- close to the rim

Subs:
Landry
Chandler
Shump

Chandler must start - he is Lins bread and butter.

NYKBocker wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:You Want To Satisfy Egos Or Win Basketball Games?

If no one had an ego, here is how it would go.

Rationale: Quality depth and balanced skill sets at all times

Starters:

Lin, all in
Landry, dashing and slashing
Carmelo, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Jeffries, defensive dirty work
Chandler, The Captain

Reserves:
Shump, sixth man
Novak, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Harrellson, rebounding and defensive dirty work
Amar'e, swing forward/ center depending on the matchup advantage

It's not who starts, but who finishes.

How about this?
Lin
Melo
Jeffries add defense
Novak best shooter -- open room for amare
Amare let amare do what amare does best -- close to the rim

Subs:
Landry
Chandler
Shump

Woah....Now I think you are just messing. Tyson is our best player right now. Like someone posted in another thread, Tyson needs to be named captain.

Yeah - maybe we should start TD at PG and have Lin and Tyson come off the bench to spark the sh1tty offense.

NYKBocker wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:You Want To Satisfy Egos Or Win Basketball Games?

If no one had an ego, here is how it would go.

Rationale: Quality depth and balanced skill sets at all times

Starters:

Lin, all in
Landry, dashing and slashing
Carmelo, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Jeffries, defensive dirty work
Chandler, The Captain

Reserves:
Shump, sixth man
Novak, dial long distance, stretch the defense
Harrellson, rebounding and defensive dirty work
Amar'e, swing forward/ center depending on the matchup advantage

It's not who starts, but who finishes.

How about this?
Lin
Melo
Jeffries add defense
Novak best shooter -- open room for amare
Amare let amare do what amare does best -- close to the rim

Subs:
Landry
Chandler
Shump

Woah....Now I think you are just messing. Tyson is our best player right now. Like someone posted in another thread, Tyson needs to be named captain.

Yeah - maybe we should start TD at PG and have Lin and Tyson come off the bench to spark the sh1tty offense.

Now I don't get this post. I am one of the first ones here advocating for Lin to get minutes a long time ago. Even in the post you replied to I stated that Tyson, Amare, Melo, Fields, Lin should start. What gives?

EDIT: I think I just got it. You are being sarcastic to Panos.

Yea - sorry

Thought that was pretty obvious - hahaha