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NYKBocker
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2/7/2012  12:42 PM
Right now we only need the following...

1. BackUp PG
2. More shooters.
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2/7/2012  12:48 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Right now we only need the following...

1. BackUp PG
2. More shooters.


Melo
Fields
Walker
Novak
Lin
Shumpert
Douglas

How many more FGAs do we need?

Whoever is comparing JR Smith to spree has to have their head examined. Spree was an all around player great defender good passer scorer and could rebound. I think Spree makes better rims to.

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2/7/2012  1:21 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:Again, JR is a 40% three-point threat. 40%. Landry was utterly useless in the fourth quarter against the jazz. Turnovers and little production. We NEED JR as our bench scorer and to play him in the crucial minutes of the 4th quarter. I don't trust Fields to hit big shots, yet.


agree with this 100%
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2/7/2012  1:27 PM
I would rather have Smith taking shots over Walker and Douglas coming off the bench.
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2/7/2012  1:33 PM
I understand the whole chemistry issue, but by the time JR is able to join the team, things will be a bit different. The team chemistry will be stronger and I think one guy won't be able to totally break the collective will of the team. He'll see what is going on here and unlike any other city, if he's messing up the NY fans and media will come down on him fast. This isn't Denver.

There are times you need a player that can go solo at the appropriate time. Guys like Melo, Shump, and JR would be useful when the D has shut down the normal set offense. You can't be a team with only guys that are limited offensively to sticking to the team concept. Every team needs a wildcard that is somewhat unpredictable. The John Starks, World B. Free, Andrew Toney types.
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2/7/2012  1:49 PM
holfresh wrote:I completely disagree with this assessment...I wanted to start a thread about something similar but here goes...One thing that I have noticed all season long is the corner three is wide open at key times in big games...Landry Fields has not been knocking those open jumpers down..When the Knicks get to the playoffs, we will need a guy out there who isn't afraid to take that shot...Fields had that shot against Boston in the 4th quarter and didn't even hit the rim...I can't even count the number of those big open threes Fields have missed this season...That shot will be there all year because Melo is being doubled and the lanes will be clogged preventing Amare's pick and roll at key times...Novak can't do anything else but shoot, we can't have a liability like that on the court during the playoffs...That open three will be the difference in competing with the better teams or go home...We beat the Nets and Jazz, we aren't done building yet...

I'm all for JR Nutcase. He's not like Marb in that he won't be able to dominate the ball and disrupt things. Worst case scenario, his attitude see's him to the bench. Everything else is gravy.

Its a low risk signing when he's not signing for big money and can be cut if he's that bad but, we are in NO position to think we are too good for anyone right now.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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2/7/2012  1:55 PM
i like the idea of JR coming on as a shooter. the problem is how much worse he is at everything else than landry and shump. also his selfish attitude.

and do guys calling JR a 40% shooter from 3 know how streaky he is? he'll go 5-5 from 3pt one game and then not hit another shot for a week from distance.

in terms of working in guys who are already here, if we can find a spot for Novak in the roto and Jorts in about a month, we should have enough shooters.

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2/7/2012  3:04 PM
As someone said on the other thread, now that Billups is out, I think it's very likely he'll go to the Clippers- he'll get a starting role, get to play with CP3 to boost his value in the offseason, and is friends with Kenyon Martin.

I still think we need more scoring off the bench- Walker only plays well offensively every 5 or so games. TD is one of the worst players in the nba this season and is showing no signs of improvement. Shumpert shoots poorly and his dead legs have robbed him of the athletisism he needs to drive. Bibby is done, the two JJ's and Balkman can't score. Who else is there out there besides JR Smith?
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2/7/2012  3:15 PM
smackeddog wrote:As someone said on the other thread, now that Billups is out, I think it's very likely he'll go to the Clippers- he'll get a starting role, get to play with CP3 to boost his value in the offseason, and is friends with Kenyon Martin.

I still think we need more scoring off the bench- Walker only plays well offensively every 5 or so games. TD is one of the worst players in the nba this season and is showing no signs of improvement. Shumpert shoots poorly and his dead legs have robbed him of the athletisism he needs to drive. Bibby is done, the two JJ's and Balkman can't score. Who else is there out there besides JR Smith?

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2/7/2012  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2012  3:35 PM
missespearls - Answer Man says you don't advocate JR and then Answer Man splains why he's worth a shot, literally.
The 90's Knicks didn't have the circus that we just escaped out of. Everyone knew Spree's worth, and that Carlissimo was a major JO.
At the point of the choking, I don't recall anywhere near the antics/arrests/bizzarro behavior you have in JR. So the Spree = JR comparison fails.

And one of my points way above is that with JR on the floor, Lin wouldn't get the chance to get the ball to Novak or anyone, for that matter. Unless he's going to major in long offensive boards.
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2/7/2012  3:40 PM
You know what, I've changed my position.

Sign the moron. We need someone legit in the Dantony Doghouse.
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2/7/2012  3:51 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:That's about it though. He is sometimes good at shooting 3s. Whos playing time is he taking and whos roster spot is he taking? Fields is the smarter (And better) player and better defender and even scores better. Iman is just a better player. Novak doesn't even play but he's a better shooter. Obviously he's not taking time from Melo.

Sometimes? 4 out 5 seasons shooting an elite 39% is sometimes good? Bring me Landry's three point numbers this season, please.

Fields may be smarter but he is an average defender. Iman is a good defender but he is way too raw and inconsistent on offense. Novak is a one-dimensional shooter.

JR is a better player than all 3. He is a poor man's Kobe on offense except a far deadlier 3pt shooter. His defense is underrated. He is about average in that department. Fields, Iman and Novak are role players; JR is a scoring option with all-star potential if he had enough playing time.

If you expect people to take you seriously then don't say things like this: "He is a poor man's Kobe on offense except a far deadlier 3pt shooter." Really man? That's like saying "Dog sheeeot is a poor man's filet mignon." Give me a break.

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2/7/2012  3:55 PM
J-Ar's never herd of defence!

"LINISH HIM!"
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2/7/2012  3:57 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
airchibundo507 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:That's about it though. He is sometimes good at shooting 3s. Whos playing time is he taking and whos roster spot is he taking? Fields is the smarter (And better) player and better defender and even scores better. Iman is just a better player. Novak doesn't even play but he's a better shooter. Obviously he's not taking time from Melo.

Sometimes? 4 out 5 seasons shooting an elite 39% is sometimes good? Bring me Landry's three point numbers this season, please.

Fields may be smarter but he is an average defender. Iman is a good defender but he is way too raw and inconsistent on offense. Novak is a one-dimensional shooter.

JR is a better player than all 3. He is a poor man's Kobe on offense except a far deadlier 3pt shooter. His defense is underrated. He is about average in that department. Fields, Iman and Novak are role players; JR is a scoring option with all-star potential if he had enough playing time.

If you expect people to take you seriously then don't say things like this: "He is a poor man's Kobe on offense except a far deadlier 3pt shooter." Really man? That's like saying "Dog sheeeot is a poor man's filet mignon." Give me a break.

Have you seen this guy score before? He's got a fadeaway in his arsenal. I've seen him score in the post. He's got a crossover. He is a human highlight reel.

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2/7/2012  3:57 PM
Not interested in someone who chucks three's--thats what made the team poor. We have good three pt shooters who fit specific roles. We have two volume shooters. We need to play like a team--lets see what we have when everyone is healthy. I wouldnt make any moves unless it was a no brainer.
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2/7/2012  4:04 PM
"LINISH HIM!"
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2/7/2012  4:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2012  4:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Not interested in someone who chucks three's--thats what made the team poor. We have good three pt shooters who fit specific roles. We have two volume shooters. We need to play like a team--lets see what we have when everyone is healthy. I wouldnt make any moves unless it was a no brainer.

Walker is too unreliable behind the arc.

Assume Melo gets 40 minutes a night in the postseason. That leaves only 8 minutes for Novak unless we play him out of position and get burned on defense because of it.

Fields is not a three-point shooter right now. ESPECIALLY after his no-show last postseason. I don't know if we can depend on Jorts either. the postseason is a different animal, and I don't know if good shooting from a prospect that wasn't expected to be a shooter is going to translate. We can't go to war with only 2 shooters, I'm sorry. Defenses will pack the paint and exploit it.

What's wrong with "chucking" threes and MAKING them when you are playing off of double teams and collapsed defenses? I swear you guys think you are too high and mighty to get a player like Smith and watch him explode for 20 ppg on whatever team picks him up. Lin had two great games. But defenses WILL ADAPT. Wait until guards start going under the screens to force him to shoot.

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2/7/2012  4:41 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:Assume Melo gets 40 minutes a night in the postseason.

Let's MAKE the playoffs first.

The Knicks have a lot of work to do to prove they can win on a consistent basis. We are still 5 games under .500.

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2/7/2012  6:51 PM
Can Bibby's brain be transplanted into JR's body?
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2/7/2012  6:52 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:Can Bibby's brain be transplanted into JR's body?

How about Marbury's brain in Jeffries's body?

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