firefly wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

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fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

You make delusional predictions at the start of the season and then act like you knew it all along that the team would struggle and get upset when someone reminds you of them? If this team was winning at a .700 pace, do you think no one would ever remind me of my predictions?

No. Because you wouldnt be here. Youd be off eating lemons elsewhere. When the Knicks finally do win a championship, I hope youre ready to celebrate (still not sure that you would) alone, because sure as Shit noone from heres gonna celebrate with you.

Bonn1997 wrote:

firefly wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

You make delusional predictions at the start of the season and then act like you knew it all along that the team would struggle and get upset when someone reminds you of them? If this team was winning at a .700 pace, do you think no one would ever remind me of my predictions?

No. Because you wouldnt be here. Youd be off eating lemons elsewhere. When the Knicks finally do win a championship, I hope youre ready to celebrate (still not sure that you would) alone, because sure as Shit noone from heres gonna celebrate with you.

Actually the realists here agree with me. And I've always been here during our (brief) winning streaks.

I will admit though my previous post to Fish was a bit immature regardless of whether others would have done it to me. Sorry Fish.

Whether they agree with you or not is immaterial. Youre the only one who shoves their opinions around like a snide little tit. Even Islesfan, whom most would agree was the most negative poster ever was just doom and gloom. And you know what? People prefer the guy who say "we suck and we'll always suck" to the guy who says "we suck and I knew it first. Rah rah to me because I saw we would suck before anyone else". You do realize that IF you are a Knicks fan, you dont win by saying "I said this would fall apart first!" right? Trying to score points because you saw the disaster first is like being the guy who runs around after the Titanic yelling "I knew it was gonna happen. I TOLD you it was going to happen. It was me that saw it coming!!". Sooner or later that guy gets poked in the eye with a sharp stick. Because that guy is snide, annoying and unhelpful.

Bonn1997 wrote:

firefly wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

firefly wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

You make delusional predictions at the start of the season and then act like you knew it all along that the team would struggle and get upset when someone reminds you of them? If this team was winning at a .700 pace, do you think no one would ever remind me of my predictions?

No. Because you wouldnt be here. Youd be off eating lemons elsewhere. When the Knicks finally do win a championship, I hope youre ready to celebrate (still not sure that you would) alone, because sure as Shit noone from heres gonna celebrate with you.

Actually the realists here agree with me. And I've always been here during our (brief) winning streaks.

I will admit though my previous post to Fish was a bit immature regardless of whether others would have done it to me. Sorry Fish.

Whether they agree with you or not is immaterial. Youre the only one who shoves their opinions around like a snide little tit. Even Islesfan, whom most would agree was the most negative poster ever was just doom and gloom. And you know what? People prefer the guy who say "we suck and we'll always suck" to the guy who says "we suck and I knew it first. Rah rah to me because I saw we would suck before anyone else". You do realize that IF you are a Knicks fan, you dont win by saying "I said this would fall apart first!" right? Trying to score points because you saw the disaster first is like being the guy who runs around after the Titanic yelling "I knew it was gonna happen. I TOLD you it was going to happen. It was me that saw it coming!!". Sooner or later that guy gets poked in the eye with a sharp stick. Because that guy is snide, annoying and unhelpful.

You really can't take an apology, can you?

Im not fish, but Ill take it as a compliment.

nixluva wrote:No one's prediction is proven after 21 games! So much can happen between now and the end of the end of the season. Still the idea that it wasn't a good move to put STAT, Melo and Tyson together is nuts. This group makes all kinds if sense. We need the backcourt to play better and I believe they will. They've been far worse than their career play would suggest. Then if we can make some key additions this team can be a very good team down the line. It's never been only about this season. It's about this year and the next 3!!!

The Knick backcourt play has been terrible. Awful. I didnt think Douglas would be so bad. I was certainly wrong about his ability to hold down the fort until. He's been the big disappointment to me.

The poor backcourt play makes the team look even worse than it is. It needs to be fixed, most likely with better players. We need a head out there and we need the big guys to follow that lead. Its not there right now. Does that mean you gut the team and fire the coach? If you a Knick fan yes. If your realist as some around here like to label themselves (which is just some bull**** for saying your opinions are better than others) then you would understand that whats happening right now was always a possibility. Shumpert, Douglas and Bibby are not able to run an NBA team right now. Thats the worst PG combo in the NBA right now and thats why the Knicks have this record.

When that situation is improved the record will turn around and fast. A healthy Baron will help very quickly. Lets see what he's got in the tank.

Things would be a lot different in Ray Felton was here. But he's not and we dont have a suitable subsitute or backup. Losing Billups really hurts now, but I will take the young atlhetic defensive center over the 50 year old PG anyday.

raven wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

Sorry Fish, but the guy is just stating what happened.

Does your comment mean that if some fans are right (while sometimes ridiculing other fans that think differently), we have to be fine with that, and if they're wrong, we have to pretend nothing happened?

Sounds like a ''head I win, tail you lose'' situation to me. Not really honest thinking.

I admit Bonn sometimes sounds bitter, but man, he got a lot of fire for saying things that are happening right now. This should count somewhere, right?

airchibundo507 wrote:

firefly wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

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