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misterearl
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1/30/2012  4:19 PM
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

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1/30/2012  4:29 PM
LOL triple doubles make for an elite player? I beg to differ. Nobody compares to LeBron, so quit trying to measure Melo up against him.

And I don't see how anyone can criticize Melo's selfishness seeing as he would be averaging 6 damn assists a game if anyone on this team were were capable of hitting a wide open jumpshot. That's what I consider making teammates better. Giving them WIDE OPEN shots, which are easier looks.

He stagnated the offense last year and the complaints weren't as robust as they are now. He stagnated the offense his whole career in Denver and no one cared when he carried the Nuggets to yearly relevance and Game 6 games against the eventual champions in the WCF. Now that iso ball isn't working because shooters can't space the floor, Melo is the one who gets most of the blame? This is ridiculous.

Kobe goes iso in his offense. Dirks isos plenty in Dallas. LeBron did nothing but Lebronball in Cleveland. But let's crucify Melo because the team sucks, even though he knowingly played through injuries to help the team win games (even though they didn't).

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1/30/2012  4:33 PM
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

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1/30/2012  6:24 PM
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

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1/30/2012  6:27 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

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1/30/2012  6:41 PM
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

Martin you would think that if guys are gonna try and bash other people's statements that they would at least keep up with current events. Do a little research. You know READ A LITTLE. It could be that we end up with neither player, no one is saying it's a lock, just that it's a very likely scenario given everything we know.

It's frustrating but i'm going to keep trying to respond with Reason, Facts, and Logic. We can't fight emotional, Knee Jerk statements with more emotional, Knee Jerk statements that aren't thought out or researched. SO far with all of the posts i've made including actual statements by players and coaches and stats to back up my conclusions, none of these guys actually comes back with any verifiable info to back up what they say. They just insult and make jokes. Oh well. Keep up the good fight Martin.

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1/30/2012  7:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2012  7:39 PM
Go ahead and hide behind Martin if you must, you weasel.
Your day is coming...it's called "fire D'Antoni day".
And, I will be ROTFLMAO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AT YOU!!!!!
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1/30/2012  7:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2012  7:33 PM
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

The interest that they expressed was way before we lost 9 out of 10. Seriously speaking, who in their right mind would want to come here?!? This ship be stinkin' and sinkin'.

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." -Michael Jordan
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1/30/2012  7:39 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

The interest that they expressed was way before we lost 9 out of 10. Seriously speaking, who in their right mind would want to come here?!? This ship be stinkin' and sinkin'.

nixluva also expressed it was a remote possibility. how can that be construed any other way?

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1/30/2012  7:41 PM
It's not like this a completely doomed roster. A few players, like Kmart and JR, could suddenly give this depth-less team a little depth which is a main problem. They're obviously not THE fix, but they'll certainly help a lot
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1/30/2012  7:43 PM
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

The interest that they expressed was way before we lost 9 out of 10. Seriously speaking, who in their right mind would want to come here?!? This ship be stinkin' and sinkin'.

nixluva also expressed it was a remote possibility. how can that be construed any other way?

Like I said, nobody of sound mind is beating a path here to play for a discombobulated lottery team.

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." -Michael Jordan
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1/30/2012  8:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2012  8:35 PM
The problem is that whoever disliked the trade is considered a melo hater. I have always said that melo was better than any of the guys we gave up but the problem is that amount of valuable talent we gave up is almost unbelievable for any player. I never said i didn't want melo but it only made sense if we signed him as a FA this way we would have had one of the deepest teams right now. I am mad at melo and rightfully so because all he had to do is wait if he wanted to be a knick but lets face it he was greedy and scared about the lockout so he really screwed us. All the people that say that it isn't melo's fault are partially right. It isn't his whole fault but he does deserve blame no doubt about it
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1/30/2012  8:45 PM
matt wrote:It's not like this a completely doomed roster. A few players, like Kmart and JR, could suddenly give this depth-less team a little depth which is a main problem. They're obviously not THE fix, but they'll certainly help a lot

If the goal is to make it to the first round, it's not a completely doomed roster. If the goal is to contend, they need to tear it down and start over.
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1/30/2012  8:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
matt wrote:It's not like this a completely doomed roster. A few players, like Kmart and JR, could suddenly give this depth-less team a little depth which is a main problem. They're obviously not THE fix, but they'll certainly help a lot

If the goal is to make it to the first round, it's not a completely doomed roster. If the goal is to contend, they need to tear it down and start over.
Well the goal was to get to the first round last year. This year was suppose to be the next step. One of the main reasons we got to the playoffs last year was because the team we had to start with played well most of the year
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1/30/2012  9:24 PM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just got finished explaining that the team isn't finished making moves this year. No I don't know the exact player this team will add, but i'm pretty sure they'll add someone using their Room Exception.

Pretty sure?

Speculation is the mother of frustration.

From what I understand both JR and KMart would like to play with Melo here in NY. I can't guarantee that but it's more than a remote possibility. We're one of the few teams that has no problem spending on one of these players.

Seriously, dude....come back to earth.....your spaceship is out of orbit.
You act like you have some inside knowledge as to what players are thinking
but in actuality, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Most of the time less.
Is it beyond your powers of deduction to ask why would players like JR and KMART want to walk into this mess? My guess is that you actually THINK that this is a playoff team. ROTFLMAO &{SMH}

how about the fact that both have expressed interest both through the media and on twitter?

Martin you would think that if guys are gonna try and bash other people's statements that they would at least keep up with current events. Do a little research. You know READ A LITTLE. It could be that we end up with neither player, no one is saying it's a lock, just that it's a very likely scenario given everything we know.

It's frustrating but i'm going to keep trying to respond with Reason, Facts, and Logic. We can't fight emotional, Knee Jerk statements with more emotional, Knee Jerk statements that aren't thought out or researched. SO far with all of the posts i've made including actual statements by players and coaches and stats to back up my conclusions, none of these guys actually comes back with any verifiable info to back up what they say. They just insult and make jokes. Oh well. Keep up the good fight Martin.


Its important to note that KMart was let out of his contract in China because he was 'struggling to contribute'. J.R. Smith and his fake injury doesn't sound like a guy D'Antoni would do well with.

It's only been a few months, and yet J.R. Smith's(notes) brief time as a member of the Zhejiang Chouzhou Golden Bulls has already provided enough drama to fill up some entire careers. After Smith went down with what appeared to be a serious knee injury last weekend, various employees of the franchise, including general manager Zhao Bing, started to talk about how difficult J.R. has been to work with. It's natural to wonder why a player would want a second residence when the team had already paid for a suite and personal chef, but it's also fine to call Zhejiang out for not knowing who they were dealing with. Anyone who's followed the NBA in recent years knows that Smith isn't the most reasonable person in the world.

Once Smith's MRI results showed he was fine, his situation with the club became even more complicated. Because, as all professional people do, Zhao Bing decided it was time to question if Smith was ever injured at all. From Jon Pastuszek at NiuBBall.com (via EOB):

After the game, Smith, who was unable to walk on his own, refused to be taken to a nearby hospital in DongGuan, insisting that he instead be taken back to the team hotel. According to a Sina Sports report, once back in the hotel, the club agreed with Smith that he would have an MRI done in Yiwu, the city where the Golden Bulls are based out of, and scheduled him to fly back with the team the next day accordingly. If results showed that there was a major injury, then Smith would be allowed to fly back to the United States to undergo the next step in the recovery process.

But early yesterday morning, team general manager, Zhao Bing, received a surprising bit of news: Smith was not going back with the team to Yiwu visit with team doctors like he had originally agreed to. Instead, he had already boarded a plane to Beijing.

The change in itinerary went directly in the face of the Zhao, who told him under no circumstances was he allowed to get on a plane out of Yiwu. Smith had made up his mind, however, and once word got back to Zhao that Smith had landed in the capital, he went on Sina Weibo (Chinese Twitter) to publicly warn Smith of the potential consequences for his actions.

"The club has looked into the situation and we have agreed to warn J.R. about his trip to Beijing," Zhao tweeted. "We hope he can come back to the team as soon as possible, otherwise he will have to face the consequences."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/chinese-gm-accuses-j-r-smith-of-faking-injury-stephon-marbury-saves-day?urn=nba,wp10971
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1/30/2012  9:34 PM
Not to go back and revisit the past, but the original plan was to try and see of they could somehow make a trade for CP3. This would've no doubt made the team weaker yet again after the trade. Then they moved on to the Tyson deal that fell in their laps. This isn't about this year alone. The Knicks were trying to take the long view and in that plan the most they could hope for this year is to make the 2nd rd. They weren't crazy enough to really think this team with no bench could make it thru to the finals unless there was a miracle.

When you're building a team that can contend for the title it takes time. Last year they made a big move and they made another big move this year to restructure the core of this team. Things imploded early this season, but I don't think you scrap your long goal after a 1/3 of a season. There are still elements of this process that haven't had a chance to happen yet. I know i'm curious to see if this team can pull itself together.

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1/30/2012  9:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2012  9:59 PM
JCrusher wrote:The problem is that whoever disliked the trade is considered a melo hater. I have always said that melo was better than any of the guys we gave up but the problem is that amount of valuable talent we gave up is almost unbelievable for any player. I never said i didn't want melo but it only made sense if we signed him as a FA this way we would have had one of the deepest teams right now. I am mad at melo and rightfully so because all he had to do is wait if he wanted to be a knick but lets face it he was greedy and scared about the lockout so he really screwed us. All the people that say that it isn't melo's fault are partially right. It isn't his whole fault but he does deserve blame no doubt about it

That team was going away no matter what happened. Noboy has to like it, but New York was clearing cap space to sign Anthony, Chris Paul and Amar'e as a "big three". The team was set up to sign Carmelo Anthony as a free agent in 2011 and then sign Chris Paul as a free agent in 2012 with basically every other contract expiring. The opportunity then came for the Knicks to trade a lot of what was leaving anyway to get Anthony and eliminate the risk of being unable to sign him in the offseason. From there, New York realized this offseason that they didn't have the assets to acquire Chris Paul and that he would be traded, but Tyson Chandler fell into their laps and fills a very important role.

I think that when you can get a player of Melo's caliber you do it and then let the chips fall where they may. Sure, the team isn't competitive this season but it was never going to be. It's easier to find a player of Wilson Chandler or Raymond Felton's caliber than it is to find one of Anthony's caliber, it's just going to take another off-season to replace the depth. The team has already seemingly used it's draft picks well on guys who can contribute in Iman Shumpert and Josh Harrelson, and I think the team can compete next season if it can use the MLE ona starting point guard and then draft another bench contributer. The biggest things that bother me right now are the shooting, which is so historically low that it's bound to progress to the mean at some point and Amar'e's seeming complete lack of athleticism so far. If he's completely done that's going to be a huge problem going forward.

EDIT: This particular season is harder on a team like New York because the compressed schedule and lack of an offseason make continuity, chemistry and depth more important than usual. Many teams that have changed major parts or coaches have been playing poorly while teams with a lot of depth, even if the quality at the top isn't as good, are doing better. Those things are symptoms of the lockout more than anything else, though.

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1/31/2012  11:22 AM
misterearl wrote:
nixluva wrote:We don't need 6 new guys.

The hell we don't. Talent around the league is IMPROVING and if you depend on current guys simply "getting better" you may discover that you are running on a treadmill, going backwards. That will not get you anywhere. If our bench cannot be trusted to extend a lead, or provide a spark when the starters are sluggish, then what are they good for? Our bench is among the LEAST productive in the league. You could look it up.

Howard Beck states we have the worst bench in the entire league. And I was just starting to feel good about playing Detroit...

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1/31/2012  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2012  1:41 PM
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jrodmc - if our starters are not equipped to run the most fundamental play in the Harlem Rens basketball handbook, with two All-Stars, no less - how can the reserves be expected to come in and do anything BUT imitate World B Free?

The warm and fuzzy feeling that you have about beating the Pistons should not be based on the perceived superiority over a lesser opponent. That warm and fuzzy should be based on how you feel about our guys ability to impose their playing personality on ANY opponent.

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1/31/2012  2:07 PM
Just The Facts Ma'am...

KNICKS NEED TO LOOK FOR EFFICIENT SCORING

"While New York has more players who are able to create shots, Denver has more players who are efficient with their shooting. The Knicks have eight players with a true shooting percentage lower than 55.0 percent, while the Nuggets only have three.

Despite lacking a player who can create shots for himself at a high level, the Nuggets have the N.B.A.’s best offense, ranked by offensive efficiency. Meanwhile, the Knicks, with multiple high-volume shooters, find themselves with the league’s 24th-best offense. It appears that the ability to score efficiently is more important than the ability to create shots.

In fact, this isn’t a new for the Knicks, who in recent history have attempted to fill their roster with volume scorers (Tracy McGrady, Larry Hughes, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury) with disregard for efficiency to dubious results.

So does this all mean? For basketball analysts it means the high-volume scorer who lacks the ability to sink shots at a mediocre rate is likely overrated by all but a percentage of statisticians. For the Knicks’ current roster, it means that the team has to work on improving the quality and lowering the frequency of shots among their low-efficiency scorers. For the Knicks’ front office it means that perhaps they should abandon their current method of evaluating players and consult with a statistician before their next franchise-altering trade." - Mike Kurylo

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/knicks-need-to-look-for-efficient-scoring/

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