EnySpree wrote:I went hard about Lin in my last blog....

It angers me that people use words like raw to describe him. Like what is Toney Douglas and Shumpert at point guard. Those guys are raw prospects at point cuz neittyher are very good at it.

Lin got shipped to the d-league and had a legendary game 28/12/11.....triple ****ing double. That is not raw. Its not a joke either. This guy is better than any point guard Cleveland played last night including the rookie from duke. He damn sure is better than Bibby and he has pure point guard skill and natural instincts. His handle is top notch as well. He's a legit 6'3" too.

Its complete bull**** that this guy is not playing. I personally think this kid can start for us and be the point guard for the future wit Shump at his side at shooting guard for the next 10 years

+1 It's not hard to see that Lin has all of the skills and athleticism. He just needs PT to get accustomed to running an NBA offense. For anyone who has watched him play, he always plays better the more minutes he gets. He is also smart, works hard, and learns. His shot (his biggest weakness) has already improved greatly from last year, as it has gone from questionable to above-average, and I think it will continue to improve.

NYKBocker wrote:I honestly think that the reason Lin is not playing is not because of any conspiracy theories. I think it is just the plain fact that MDA is loyal to a fault. Lin also joined the team very late. I think if he had the chance to compete with Bibby and TD in the beginning of the very short camp, MDA would have chosen Lin.

this is possible. I have seen Lin 2 times in garbage time and I didn't think he looked good (that 5'8" Isiah kid tied him up). On the other hand he blasted thru his one game in DLeague play.

I think Novak can help, but he needs to be setup just like everyone else and so far we don't have anyone who can do that consistently. Is Lin that guy? I do know that Lin is not a pure passer. He may be a better version of scoring PG than TD, but he's no Nash type. I do believe he'll get a shot soon tho. I think MDA is doing the right thing by sticking with a set rotation and giving it as much time as possible to gel. Changes don't guarantee better chemistry.

The biggest problem is we're asking players to do something they've never done well. PASS the ball. STAT and Tyson aren't passers. Melo can pass, but is more comfortable calling his own number. Walker and Fields don't pass. Goodness knows TD can't pass. Shump is a rook and I can guarantee he never ran anything as complicated as this offense in college. I think Shump can and will get better, but it's asking a lot of a kid like him to be a pure Point, which is what this team needs. Lin may just have enough skill to do it, but my guess is that he hadn't shown he had it down yet either.

Melo is our best post player but he post up if the other players cannot spread the floor and have to worry about helping to the PG.
This is where he is the most effective, but the Center and PF, must be able to spread the floor so JJ and Chandler cannot play unless, especially together.
If Chandler is playing, our PF has to Melo or Novak

Not having Jorts hurts us, because he is realistically a stretch 5
But Jordan has shown the ability to hit the 15footer so I don't understand why he doesn't play when he is out 2nd biggest guy after TC

Our shooters, cannot create their own shot, but Lin can create so play the damn guy. Regardless if Baron Davis is back or not, we constantly need players that can penetrate. Field's is not that player, especially at SG, unless someone earns a step for him.

Ic Lin, being a realistic long term PG if we can get Nash to mentor him. Lin is quicker than Nash but he can learn plenty and if would just give him a shot
then he might think about coming back for the cheap too, therefore we would get his bird rights. Whether he will be a starting PG in the future, he deserves a shot to START NOW, but he can be a 2nd PG with legit size, speed, and quickness, with the IQ...

nixluva wrote:RonRon, perhaps MDA is soon going to try and insert some of the bench guys to shake things up, but really We've seen this movie before. You want to see the backup QB, cuz he always looks good when the starter is floundering. That is until you get to see him as a starter and can pick apart his flaws. We have no way of knowing what if any improvement the bench guys would make.

I think Novak can help, but he needs to be setup just like everyone else and so far we don't have anyone who can do that consistently. Is Lin that guy? I do know that Lin is not a pure passer. He may be a better version of scoring PG than TD, but he's no Nash type. I do believe he'll get a shot soon tho. I think MDA is doing the right thing by sticking with a set rotation and giving it as much time as possible to gel. Changes don't guarantee better chemistry.

The biggest problem is we're asking players to do something they've never done well. PASS the ball. STAT and Tyson aren't passers. Melo can pass, but is more comfortable calling his own number. Walker and Fields don't pass. Goodness knows TD can't pass. Shump is a rook and I can guarantee he never ran anything as complicated as this offense in college. I think Shump can and will get better, but it's asking a lot of a kid like him to be a pure Point, which is what this team needs. Lin may just have enough skill to do it, but my guess is that he hadn't shown he had it down yet either.

we have given everyone a shot besides him with getting the same results, inability to penetrate, set up the offense, get good looks, and we are are quarter in to the season. So there is absolutely no reason why Lin doesn't get a shot.

Iman doesn't even have the speed/quickness Lin has. He is much more athletic, but Iman is playing with players that cannot spread the floor or handle the ball.
While TC and Amare also are constantly in the paint, with no room to operate, while neither can post up.
But Iman could be the 2nd guy that could penetrate, even TD and Fields could be more efficient with penetration, if our PG can break the defense down.
Whether Baron Davis is back or not, we have seen enough of the PG/SG's are not doing it, and Dantoni has stuck with a losing recipe with the same result.

It was garbage time, Lin had some jitters, but some starters were in the game, with 2nd unit players with the Bobcats. That squad showed us and identity, while Novak was able to get a good look with Lin's penetration. Jordan was playing his role with rebounding, boxing out, defense, and shot blocking.
He has shown the ability to hit the 15 footer, that TC is not a threat at.

Walker, TD are all making stupid fouls and are being broken down with the penetration of PG/SG, even Fields has shown the lack of quickness/speed needed at the SG.

PG is currently our biggest hole but it isn't the only problem of our lineups, without the ability to spread the floor, and lack of post options.

Playing TD and Bibby together is a clear mismatch, as even playing 1 of them at PG gives us problems but playing both makes it that much harder, especially when
JJ is playing with them...

RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

RonRon wrote:not only do I think Lin should start because he would allow Iman and Melo to not have to worry about the PG spot if someone else was in.
But Iman and Melo could be used both penetrate.

Melo is our best post player but he post up if the other players cannot spread the floor and have to worry about helping to the PG.
This is where he is the most effective, but the Center and PF, must be able to spread the floor so JJ and Chandler cannot play unless, especially together.
If Chandler is playing, our PF has to Melo or Novak

Not having Jorts hurts us, because he is realistically a stretch 5
But Jordan has shown the ability to hit the 15footer so I don't understand why he doesn't play when he is out 2nd biggest guy after TC

Our shooters, cannot create their own shot, but Lin can create so play the damn guy. Regardless if Baron Davis is back or not, we constantly need players that can penetrate. Field's is not that player, especially at SG, unless someone earns a step for him.

Ic Lin, being a realistic long term PG if we can get Nash to mentor him. Lin is quicker than Nash but he can learn plenty and if would just give him a shot
then he might think about coming back for the cheap too, therefore we would get his bird rights. Whether he will be a starting PG in the future, he deserves a shot to START NOW, but he can be a 2nd PG with legit size, speed, and quickness, with the IQ...

If Lin is whipping passes and driving by his man in practice I guarantee you that MDA would put him in. You think TD is looking any better in practice? So if Lin is outplaying him he'd get a shot soon.

What are you talking about, Lin was the only one that has shown the ability to penetrate with speed and quickness. He was at first playing with JJ and Bibby but once
they went out and the line up was

Jordan
Balkman
Novak
Fields
Lin

EVERYTHING looked smooth and we were getting good shots/ball movement...
Lin was penetrating in the lane while dishing out to JJ who had no offensive awareness, but Lin made the correct pass...

What was the score of the game at the time?

joec32033 wrote:If there is one thing we have noticed it is once Mike gets a rotation he sticks with it for a while. Now I agree Shumpert is not a PG. At least not a traditional Steve Nash type PG. He is a scoring D-Wade type PG (just comparing types, breathe guys). In Mike's world, a DWade style PG is a SG.

Part of this is probably who to bench. It is either Fields or Iman. They have kind of played each other to a standstill in a race for one spot.

I actually think they've (Fields & Shump) played alright together at times. I think the problem is when TD, Bibby, and Walker get heavy minutes. They are all horrendous and when on the floor, even with Iman or Fields playing the 1 or 2, the offense seems to spiral outta control. We looked fine in the 1st Qtr.

I said this in the game thread: Did anyone else TD shoot more than Melo in the 4th last night? He should've been yanked outta the game immediately for that BS.

Melo and Amar'e were taking to the hole with ease and then they went away from it, IM ASSUMING, either because of the guard play or plays that were being called.

joec32033 wrote:If there is one thing we have noticed it is once Mike gets a rotation he sticks with it for a while. Now I agree Shumpert is not a PG. At least not a traditional Steve Nash type PG. He is a scoring D-Wade type PG (just comparing types, breathe guys). In Mike's world, a DWade style PG is a SG.

Part of this is probably who to bench. It is either Fields or Iman. They have kind of played each other to a standstill in a race for one spot.

TD was benched after how many games?

Bibby has been in and out of the line-up

Walker got significant minutes, then sat for months last year

nate was a starter, then a bench player then a starter.

Mozgov, started, sat, came off the bench, started

I can throw a few more examples at you.

Most coaches stick with their rotations and make small changes for guys that are being outplayed by guys behind them. We have no indication that anyone has been able to outplay Shump or Landy or TD and since we are all playing so bad there is no reason to single out one guy at this point. This team needs to learn to play together, not randomly shuffle guys in and out of the line-up

Childs2Dudley wrote:Lin is nothing special and this wont happen anyway so there is no point in discussing it.

If you believe this, you should not complain about the poor play that TD and Mini Me produces at the PG/SG together.
They are unable to facilitate, create good shots, penetrate, and are unable to hit the 3 at a good %.