Plain and simple we gave up 2 good shooters for 2 roll players who are not starters.and its making us look like a mediocre team all over again.Granted Houston is not playing and we're missing his shooting,but if Keith and doleac were still with us we would have been alright.I'm not against bringing TT and Nazr at all.but my question is why not give up Kurt Thomas instead? we would have been more athletic and still have 2 good shooters....I realy honestly hope that it works out for us.

yeah when he finally go his head in the game It wasn't his fault though someone needed to call for the ball and step up and no one did.

he started off well cos the Knicks were going to him. Then they started going to Deke! and TT was too passive after that.

As for Timmy Thomas, if people complained about Van Horn being passive or soft, well we just got a guy who's definitely more soft and passive. Van Horn was streaky and had stretches were he lost some confidence, but he usually took it to the hole and tried to score in close whenever he could. We saw Tim try to do that once or twice this game, and then no more.

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING

haha some of you are funny. 2 games and this trade is a big mistake already? Come on get serious

1. Tim and Nazr need time to gell with the rest of the team
2. and this is way more important than point 1 is this trade makes the knicks a better team with Allen Houston playing.

The reason the knicks played like they didnt miss Allan Houston was because they had a player just like him in KVH. KVH and Allan play the same game. You cant have 3 guys in H2O, KVH and KT all shooting Jumpshots. So when Alan goes out and you put in Penny or Shandon you get a jumpshooter at the 3 and a slasher at the 2 this equals better balance. When H20 comes back you will have a jumpshooter at 2 and a slasher at the 3 this will give the team more balance and they will play well together. This trade was not made for the past 2 games, hell it might not have even been made for this season. But in the long run IT is trying to build a championship.

This trade would not have been made if Houston was not on this team. When he gets back this trade will be able to be judged fairly

Who do you think you are calling me a prick? Ok figure this. Say the team is better with KVH because of the continuity, are you willing to sacrifice a better future for 5 games?

So what if Houston comes back 5 games later? the deadline was then and a trade had to be made then! A good trade came by and Isiah took it! What has he done so far for you to not trust him? Maybe this doesn't look like a winner right now but how do you know it wont be a winner later? What if Houston and Tim Thomas work perfectly with Stephon?

You made your point and I was not arguing but stop calling me names! Have some patience and dont get hyper! This is jsut a 3 game stretch. We have a lot more games to go. I trust Isiah because everything he did so far was good. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. You dont want to, then thats fine! Stop being an a**hole.

Look, all I was trying to say is that your previous post was rubbing it in and over the line. I don't need sarcasm beaten over my head. I wasn't trying to escalate the argument with you at all. I am venting after a very bad loss, and I don't need someone essentially equating me to a crybaby. If you want to be very upbeat after two home losses, fine. I'm just a little frustrated right now because I was seeing good play, and all of a sudden its gone in a flash. If you are willing to let bygones be bygones I will. Just don't treat me like I'm a little kid.

The question is, do you think Allan Houston is really coming back in 5 games? Everything I'm hearing makes it sound like even if he does come back it won't be at 100%. We can't depend on him as he is a major question mark right now. Trading good shooters for non-shooters sort of amplifies his loss a little, don't you think?

I don't know if this trade makes us better in the long run. I like Nazr and not Tim so much. Who knows how each will respond? I may be wrong, but I'm willing to eat crow. I just want to see the team win. Its my opinion that the trade should've waited for the offseason, where there would've been time to adjust and make it work better. This was too late in the season to learn on the fly again IMO.