nixluva wrote:We 1st need to solve the hole at PG. Then we need to fix the lack of shooting. We also need to tighten up the mistakes on D. Despite how bad things look right now, this team can actually address these issues. Baron is gonna need time to get back on the court and the hope is that he can get fully healthy, in shape and up to speed with the offense. Yes there is no guarantee that he'll do that.

This is why it's important to keep working with the guards we have to try and coach them up on what to do. They all have to get better. As the season moves along there will be an addition or 2 to the roster to try and upgrade the talent. I think that this team could be much better by the time the playoffs come around. Grunwald can't get skittish and abandon his plan just cuz things are off to a bad start. He still has to believe in his core and what they can do when they finally get things going. As GM he knows that he brought in Baron to see if he can provide the leadership this team needs in the playoffs. So he's got to see that thru. Who knows, maybe they can work out a trade at the deadline with the Suns for Nash. You just never know in this league.

I am not sure if this is in response to what I wrote Nixluva, if it is, you can do better than this.

This has nothing to do and does not address any of my points.

I am really curious what your take on this is and would appreciate a response.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:With all that said... Can we keep MDA too? if only we would be so lucky

Well, I see no reason to change the coach if you know that he's not the reason the team is floundering on offense. We don't yet have a permanent solution at the PG or SG, so that means you can still add players that fit what this coach is trying to do. Who knows maybe Baron is that guy for now. Very few people had any faith that Felton would be as good as he was under this coach and look what happened. Once Felton got the hang of it, he was pretty good. Not great, but pretty good. Give this coach a QB and he has proven that he can produce a top 5 offense.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

Trend shows PG is very key in success of the offense, tho not the only issue, but you can see the Pattern.

You are so into numbers, previous efficiencies ... You make nice arguments which is all good if you are on a high school debating team where you need to back everything with numbers, statistics etc.

We don't need numbers. He got screwed. Dolan is an ass. He really never had a legit chance with Dolan's notorious revolving door. All true and Life sux.

But, like in any coporate environment, if your team is failing again and again. You can't say "you laid off my employees" "we need new computers" ... "it's not my fault". He could have a sh1tty director/VP. No one cares. You need to produce with what you have even if you were not put in the proper position to succeed or even if you feel you are being sabatoged.

Team continuously loses? You get fired. If you really got screwed - it really sux but those are the breaks. If your owner is screwing you, you can always say "I cannot work for this guy cause he's making me look bad"

Believe me, if we could fire the owner, we would. WE CAN'T. And, maybe the next coach fails because we have the same OWNER-DICK - maybe, maybe not.

Nobody gets to stay in NY and continuously lose. This is not Minnesota.

Take the Minny Twins (or alike), should their manager be granted a lifetime contract because they spend 45 million for their roster and the Super Teams have a payroll > 200 million? Nobody cares why this is happening to you - they just want to win and if you are the leader and you are not winning, its your time to go.

Ross Perot tried to shove his wonderful statistics down our throats but people tune that stuff out. Its not always about the numbers - its like poker, sometimes you go with your gut.

And if the president is on watch during a horrible economy, they take the blame though there can be/are many excuses that will prove that it is not their fault. America don't care - play the hand that you are dealt and deal with it. Not everyone gets a dream team or even a good team. Heck, how often does a coach lose their starting QB and have a 9th stringer for the season and still get fired? Ahem ... Indianapolis? Is that not equivelent to not have a PG? A QB is important too, no?

Sometimes you are just unlucky. This was Bobby Valentines issue for many years with Joe Torre. He was dealt the Mets and Torre got the Yankees. Whadayagonnado??

You probably will not respond to this because you don't believe in this line of thinking - and I can respect that as I respect your opinion.

You demanded a response to this post even tho in the post you rightly presumed that I would not respond to this post due to it's nature. You aren't providing a technically defendable argument here. This is along the lines of conjecture and taking into account intangible things like LUCK. I really can only argue over facts and statistics and common sense based on logic. Logic suggests that MDA has been the most successful offensive coach statistically over the last 8 years. Logic suggests that he has proven he can get those top of the league offensive results if you give him a "decent" NBA PG. Logic suggests that despite how the team is looking right now, the main issue is a lack of offensive execution and so if we can get him a PG he can improve this teams offense and the team should win games.

Despite complaints about the defense, it's much improved this year. That is a statistical fact. It's not a perfect D, but if this team was scoring at it's usual level this defense would be more than adequate to win games. So it all comes back to PG and then execution.

You say we need better PG play, but you justify Dantoni to continue his bad PG play in TD and Bibby, even Iman.
TD and Bibby both get beat play after play, team after team, and day after day, but Dantoni goes with the same result, FAILURE!
Lin is our quickest and fastest player, what if he could actually defend better than TD and have better PG play then all our our PG plays.
It can create easy shots offensively, defensively, he just has to stay in front of his man, something TD and Bibby have been unable to do.
Now defensively, Iman/Melo/Fields can play the passing lanes, which they have shown capable of playing.