GustavBahler wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16944177/postups-as-magic-plot-to-keep-howard-other-scenarios-blossom

Postups: As Magic plot to keep Howard, other scenarios blossom

The only other team capable of making a credible postseason offer to get Howard to one of the markets on his list would be the Knicks, who could offer Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler. (Of course, this would only work if the struggling Knicks made it past the trade deadline with their key pieces intact.) While such a proposal from the Knicks would provide more star power, Stoudemire's uninsurable knees could be a deal-killer. Example from the recent past: At one point, an Eastern Conference team had a deal in place to acquire Stoudemire from the Suns for a top-five pick, and the trade was rejected by the team's medical staff because Stoudemire "might not be playing in five years," an official from that team said. That was four years ago.

A couple of things to consider. First, the new collective bargaining agreement provides no incentive for a free agent in Howard's position to work with his team on a sign-and-trade because he can no longer get a five-year deal with max raises that way. So why would Howard work with the Magic on sign-and-trade?

One reason is obvious: If Howard is hell-bent on going to a team with no cap room -- such as the Lakers or Knicks -- a trade is the only way he's getting there. The other is more subtle, but equally important: Despite Howard's admission this week that he thought Carmelo Anthony gave him "good advice" by telling him to "do what's best for you," Howard is perhaps the most image conscious of the NBA's top stars. He saw how LeBron became a villain after abandoning Cleveland, and that was after the Cavs got assets in return via a sign-and-trade. Howard doesn't want to take on the same pariah status, and if he worked with the Magic in a scenario that got them a superstar or multiple All-Stars in return, it would remove the sting of his departure and do much less damage to his image.

The final point should be obvious to anyone who's walked inside the Amway Center. This is an opulent palace that was built for Howard, and if he leaves, someone with big enough star power needs to replace him. This can't be the House that Draft Picks and Trade Exceptions Built. It must be the House That Fill in the Blank Built. Or better yet, Fill in the Blake.

This might be a stupid questions but can crazy Jimmy D insure his knees for the magic? Meaning if the knees go on the Magic, Dolan can garuntee 2 yrs payment or some sort of compensation?

With that said, I have to agree with him on this one. Amar'e has been off and some of it stems from stuff that's been around since he's been in the league. The guy has a very low IQ when it comes to basketball and this problem is not being fixed as far as I see. If it can't be, then you do this trade as soon as possible, as much as we love both Amar'e and Tyson. Howard and Melo are a MUCH better fit, afterall. If we are STILL swithing on screens after that...... then it's time to fire Mr. D'Antoni. He's always been all about switching, back to when he had Jared Jefferies guarding PGs b/c Nate and Duhon couldn't do it.

BRIGGS wrote:I wouldnt do it if Im Orlando--I mean take one look at the Knicks standings!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16944177/postups-as-magic-plot-to-keep-howard-other-scenarios-blossom

Postups: As Magic plot to keep Howard, other scenarios blossom

The only other team capable of making a credible postseason offer to get Howard to one of the markets on his list would be the Knicks, who could offer Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler. (Of course, this would only work if the struggling Knicks made it past the trade deadline with their key pieces intact.) While such a proposal from the Knicks would provide more star power, Stoudemire's uninsurable knees could be a deal-killer. Example from the recent past: At one point, an Eastern Conference team had a deal in place to acquire Stoudemire from the Suns for a top-five pick, and the trade was rejected by the team's medical staff because Stoudemire "might not be playing in five years," an official from that team said. That was four years ago.

A couple of things to consider. First, the new collective bargaining agreement provides no incentive for a free agent in Howard's position to work with his team on a sign-and-trade because he can no longer get a five-year deal with max raises that way. So why would Howard work with the Magic on sign-and-trade?

One reason is obvious: If Howard is hell-bent on going to a team with no cap room -- such as the Lakers or Knicks -- a trade is the only way he's getting there. The other is more subtle, but equally important: Despite Howard's admission this week that he thought Carmelo Anthony gave him "good advice" by telling him to "do what's best for you," Howard is perhaps the most image conscious of the NBA's top stars. He saw how LeBron became a villain after abandoning Cleveland, and that was after the Cavs got assets in return via a sign-and-trade. Howard doesn't want to take on the same pariah status, and if he worked with the Magic in a scenario that got them a superstar or multiple All-Stars in return, it would remove the sting of his departure and do much less damage to his image.

The final point should be obvious to anyone who's walked inside the Amway Center. This is an opulent palace that was built for Howard, and if he leaves, someone with big enough star power needs to replace him. This can't be the House that Draft Picks and Trade Exceptions Built. It must be the House That Fill in the Blank Built. Or better yet, Fill in the Blake.

This might be a stupid questions but can crazy Jimmy D insure his knees for the magic? Meaning if the knees go on the Magic, Dolan can garuntee 2 yrs payment or some sort of compensation?

Good question.

GustavBahler wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16944177/postups-as-magic-plot-to-keep-howard-other-scenarios-blossom

Postups: As Magic plot to keep Howard, other scenarios blossom

The only other team capable of making a credible postseason offer to get Howard to one of the markets on his list would be the Knicks, who could offer Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler. (Of course, this would only work if the struggling Knicks made it past the trade deadline with their key pieces intact.) While such a proposal from the Knicks would provide more star power, Stoudemire's uninsurable knees could be a deal-killer. Example from the recent past: At one point, an Eastern Conference team had a deal in place to acquire Stoudemire from the Suns for a top-five pick, and the trade was rejected by the team's medical staff because Stoudemire "might not be playing in five years," an official from that team said. That was four years ago.

A couple of things to consider. First, the new collective bargaining agreement provides no incentive for a free agent in Howard's position to work with his team on a sign-and-trade because he can no longer get a five-year deal with max raises that way. So why would Howard work with the Magic on sign-and-trade?

One reason is obvious: If Howard is hell-bent on going to a team with no cap room -- such as the Lakers or Knicks -- a trade is the only way he's getting there. The other is more subtle, but equally important: Despite Howard's admission this week that he thought Carmelo Anthony gave him "good advice" by telling him to "do what's best for you," Howard is perhaps the most image conscious of the NBA's top stars. He saw how LeBron became a villain after abandoning Cleveland, and that was after the Cavs got assets in return via a sign-and-trade. Howard doesn't want to take on the same pariah status, and if he worked with the Magic in a scenario that got them a superstar or multiple All-Stars in return, it would remove the sting of his departure and do much less damage to his image.

The final point should be obvious to anyone who's walked inside the Amway Center. This is an opulent palace that was built for Howard, and if he leaves, someone with big enough star power needs to replace him. This can't be the House that Draft Picks and Trade Exceptions Built. It must be the House That Fill in the Blank Built. Or better yet, Fill in the Blake.

This might be a stupid questions but can crazy Jimmy D insure his knees for the magic? Meaning if the knees go on the Magic, Dolan can garuntee 2 yrs payment or some sort of compensation?

Good question.

I doubt the league would allow and even Dolan would shy away from paying both Dwight's and Amare's salaries for three years while only one of them is actually on the team.

MS wrote:Iman is a good player, but I can't believe people are making him out to be someone that kills the trade for Dwight. You give up the farm for this guy. This isn't Melo. This guy actually produces wins and makes everyone better.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MS wrote:Iman is a good player, but I can't believe people are making him out to be someone that kills the trade for Dwight. You give up the farm for this guy. This isn't Melo. This guy actually produces wins and makes everyone better.

+1
Literally, you do give up the farm for him. Orlando can pick whoever they want on our roster and tell us to take back whatever contracts they want us to.

And so what has been learnt from the melo trade experience? Absolutely nothing at all...