colombian0725 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

skeng wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

martin wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:Wait so when Melo is injured Amare only scores 20 points and like 8 rebounds IN TWO games??? Our team goes down by 25 both games? Or when it's the fourth quarter and Melo is on the bench and Amare is out there we start to fall behind and can't score than everyone is begging for Melo to come back in. Or when we are down by 5 with 2 mins left who is the only one on the team that plays bully ball? Melo or Amare?

Heroin is one hell of a drug and the team was suffering what they call the "dope sickness".

Give it 10 games without Melo and see how Amar'e rolls.

Amare needs a PG more than anyone on the team, so why would 10 games without Melo amount to anything? Amare had plenty of games without Melo last year and he did fine.

It's true, Amar'e needs a PG more than anyone, but this is in the current context.

If things are given time to settle and Melo is out for an extended period, for example, my brain is 100% confident that Amar'e would regain some of his swag and find a comfortable zone to work in.

Plus, if you take Melo out for an extended period, the other guys would settle to their more natural roles.

All this would help Amar'e find his comfort zone in the offense.

But Marblob, we would be back to square 2010-11 pre melo. Minus everyone.

Which is the problem of this situation.

All I'm saying is, we can't blast Amar'e because the situation is out of his hands.

The guy isn't a garbage baller out of nowhere. He's still Amar'e.

Melo needs to make it happen if he will ever live up to his Very Special Max Contract Superstar billing.

Amare has a very special Max Contract and he plays no defense and does not rebound the ball. He has shown zero effort on defense. His block total is down. He gives wide open lay ups and dunks!!!! What do you have to say about his lack of D with his very special Max contract?

The max contract has no effect on this situation. He very well might deserve the big money, like some rare and ancient fish, but if you do not give this fish a healthy aquarium, what will happen?

The guy is still special, but we are not giving him good water to swim in.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

skeng wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

martin wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:Wait so when Melo is injured Amare only scores 20 points and like 8 rebounds IN TWO games??? Our team goes down by 25 both games? Or when it's the fourth quarter and Melo is on the bench and Amare is out there we start to fall behind and can't score than everyone is begging for Melo to come back in. Or when we are down by 5 with 2 mins left who is the only one on the team that plays bully ball? Melo or Amare?

Heroin is one hell of a drug and the team was suffering what they call the "dope sickness".

Give it 10 games without Melo and see how Amar'e rolls.

Amare needs a PG more than anyone on the team, so why would 10 games without Melo amount to anything? Amare had plenty of games without Melo last year and he did fine.

It's true, Amar'e needs a PG more than anyone, but this is in the current context.

If things are given time to settle and Melo is out for an extended period, for example, my brain is 100% confident that Amar'e would regain some of his swag and find a comfortable zone to work in.

Plus, if you take Melo out for an extended period, the other guys would settle to their more natural roles.

All this would help Amar'e find his comfort zone in the offense.

But Marblob, we would be back to square 2010-11 pre melo. Minus everyone.

Which is the problem of this situation.

All I'm saying is, we can't blast Amar'e because the situation is out of his hands.

The guy isn't a garbage baller out of nowhere. He's still Amar'e.

Melo needs to make it happen if he will ever live up to his Very Special Max Contract Superstar billing.

Melo contributes more to this team than Amare at this point. Melo has set up his teammates more than Amare. Melo has made more play's on defense than Amare. Amare prefers to side step layups/dunks that he should contest. Melo has increased his steal's per game and has a career high. I've seen more effort on defense from Melo than Amare has shown this season.

This might all be true, but it misses the core of the situation.

Heroin makes a man feel amazing, and he will become very creative with it and even be able to act smoothly around the most beautiful of women.

But this heroin, while it yields amazing results in this very narrow context, it takes a terrific toll on the rest of the body.

Melo is doing this, doing that, but his presence alone is what is throwing a stick into the wheels of the rest of the team.

The core of the situation is if your shot ain't falling and you need a point guard to score. You play defense with heart and effort. You box out and rebound the ball. None of which Amare has shown. He lacks effort. His attitude on defense is a joke. He wouldn't take the heat he is taking now if he play contributed on the other side of the ball. But now that he is not scoring we have tolerate that too? He is now completely useless. He does nothing to help this team now. Dribble drive turn over. Zero D and no boxing out.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

skeng wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

martin wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:Wait so when Melo is injured Amare only scores 20 points and like 8 rebounds IN TWO games??? Our team goes down by 25 both games? Or when it's the fourth quarter and Melo is on the bench and Amare is out there we start to fall behind and can't score than everyone is begging for Melo to come back in. Or when we are down by 5 with 2 mins left who is the only one on the team that plays bully ball? Melo or Amare?

Heroin is one hell of a drug and the team was suffering what they call the "dope sickness".

Give it 10 games without Melo and see how Amar'e rolls.

Amare needs a PG more than anyone on the team, so why would 10 games without Melo amount to anything? Amare had plenty of games without Melo last year and he did fine.

It's true, Amar'e needs a PG more than anyone, but this is in the current context.

If things are given time to settle and Melo is out for an extended period, for example, my brain is 100% confident that Amar'e would regain some of his swag and find a comfortable zone to work in.

Plus, if you take Melo out for an extended period, the other guys would settle to their more natural roles.

All this would help Amar'e find his comfort zone in the offense.

But Marblob, we would be back to square 2010-11 pre melo. Minus everyone.

Which is the problem of this situation.

All I'm saying is, we can't blast Amar'e because the situation is out of his hands.

The guy isn't a garbage baller out of nowhere. He's still Amar'e.

Melo needs to make it happen if he will ever live up to his Very Special Max Contract Superstar billing.

Amare has a very special Max Contract and he plays no defense and does not rebound the ball. He has shown zero effort on defense. His block total is down. He gives wide open lay ups and dunks!!!! What do you have to say about his lack of D with his very special Max contract?

The max contract has no effect on this situation. He very well might deserve the big money, like some rare and ancient fish, but if you do not give this fish a healthy aquarium, what will happen?

The guy is still special, but we are not giving him good water to swim in.

So your okay with Amare playing zero defense and being a mediocre rebounder, zero effort on D and you see no problem paying him max money. But Melo who is top 3 rebounder at his position and his brought his defense to "Solid" and your questioning his max contract? Really dude? but it's okay to turn your head the other way about Amare?

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

skeng wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

martin wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:Wait so when Melo is injured Amare only scores 20 points and like 8 rebounds IN TWO games??? Our team goes down by 25 both games? Or when it's the fourth quarter and Melo is on the bench and Amare is out there we start to fall behind and can't score than everyone is begging for Melo to come back in. Or when we are down by 5 with 2 mins left who is the only one on the team that plays bully ball? Melo or Amare?

Heroin is one hell of a drug and the team was suffering what they call the "dope sickness".

Give it 10 games without Melo and see how Amar'e rolls.

Amare needs a PG more than anyone on the team, so why would 10 games without Melo amount to anything? Amare had plenty of games without Melo last year and he did fine.

It's true, Amar'e needs a PG more than anyone, but this is in the current context.

If things are given time to settle and Melo is out for an extended period, for example, my brain is 100% confident that Amar'e would regain some of his swag and find a comfortable zone to work in.

Plus, if you take Melo out for an extended period, the other guys would settle to their more natural roles.

All this would help Amar'e find his comfort zone in the offense.

But Marblob, we would be back to square 2010-11 pre melo. Minus everyone.

Which is the problem of this situation.

All I'm saying is, we can't blast Amar'e because the situation is out of his hands.

The guy isn't a garbage baller out of nowhere. He's still Amar'e.

Melo needs to make it happen if he will ever live up to his Very Special Max Contract Superstar billing.

Melo contributes more to this team than Amare at this point. Melo has set up his teammates more than Amare. Melo has made more play's on defense than Amare. Amare prefers to side step layups/dunks that he should contest. Melo has increased his steal's per game and has a career high. I've seen more effort on defense from Melo than Amare has shown this season.

This might all be true, but it misses the core of the situation.

Heroin makes a man feel amazing, and he will become very creative with it and even be able to act smoothly around the most beautiful of women.

But this heroin, while it yields amazing results in this very narrow context, it takes a terrific toll on the rest of the body.

Melo is doing this, doing that, but his presence alone is what is throwing a stick into the wheels of the rest of the team.

The core of the situation is if your shot ain't falling and you need a point guard to score. You play defense with heart and effort. You box out and rebound the ball. None of which Amare has shown. He lacks effort. His attitude on defense is a joke. He wouldn't take the heat he is taking now if he play contributed on the other side of the ball. But now that he is not scoring we have tolerate that too? He is now completely useless. He does nothing to help this team now. Dribble drive turn over. Zero D and no boxing out.

That's fair. Amar'e could do much better on defense.

See what I'm saying?

I was with Amare up until I saw he did not deliver on his word that he would "play defense" that's when I said he has to go. He said he was going to do something and didn't. Now that he isn't scoring he is not helping the team. He is hurting them. I was on his side and believed he would play defense and become a all around player but he has not. I can not longer look the other way. I gave him the chance. Melo has shown improvement.

loweyecue wrote:Ugh this thread is hurting my head. Based on effort, results and stats this season -
Melo >>>>>>>>>>> Amare this is not even close. Amare is not playing out of position he is playing his natural position. I think he will get it together and come back to his usual level of play. We don't need to over analyze everything to death, let them play, get their reps in the cohesion will come. The only thing I don't like is his effort so far this season, and I would NOT trade him for anyone currently available not named Dwight Howard.

Nobody said anything about trading STAT. We're just discussing whether or not Melo is heroin.

loweyecue wrote:I was directing that part of my response at the half dozen threads with completely ridiculous ideas for trading STAT.

My bad. And I have the same stance on trading stat as you do.

Problem is he is melo, and now has fewer role players to support him.

Melo as a player does not make those around him "better", he is not that kind of player. I think he has certainly been trying to pass and be a playmaker, but "Melo" is a volume shooter. You don't change that. You don't bring in a guy to change him.

If he is your "star", then just enjoy the performance. PUt on the Melo Jersey and celebrate his talent.

If you wanted a "Star" to come in and win, thats not his or the coaches fault, thats Dolan and expectations.

smackeddog wrote:.

+1

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Look, this post from Yahoo! brilliantly summarizes my main point in this thread:

In a nutshell, the Knicks' personnel and offensive execution have almost completely removed Stoudemire from his comfort zone and clearly have not played to his strengths. Comparisons of shot locations and situations between the current season and his final season in Phoenix (2009-10) show some striking differences.

Also:

The Knicks' offense will stay Melo-heavy, even after Baron Davis is in the mix, and expecting Davis to play huge minutes and be hugely influential from the outset is folly in-and-of itself.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/court-report-amar-e-stoudemire-loses-way-230609807.html;_ylt=AqbqkNiM61KjS1uK451nre25bZ8u

That second quote is about predicting the future. And it's so assured. They should play the stock market and win.

Bonn1997 wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:I wish Melo improved his shot selection. It's frustrating.

He's one of the most frustrating players in the league to watch. Like Nalod said, though, you don't trade for a player expecting them to change.

So we just flow with this team? Or do they make moves before it's too late? Amare's knee's give out?