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colombian0725
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1/17/2012  3:42 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:there are certainly a lot of things that could help Amare be more successful on the Knicks: outside shooters, PnR PG.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things Amare could do to help with the outcome of Knicks' games: play better defense, box out, not foul so early and often, make a 15 foot jumpshot, rebound.

I agree- in some games, like yesterday, you can see he's not making the effort- that is unacceptable. I can forgive him for not making the 15ft jump shots because he's put on too much muscle, and couldn't play basketball in the offseason (look at Dirk, he didn't do much in the offseason and it shows). It's a two way thing- the team needs accomodate him more, but like you said, he also needs to do his part and bring the effort.

The team flat out can't accommodate him more. The 15 foot jumpshot is a part of his arsenal and is off. We don't have a PG capable of running the team quite yet.

Amare can, however, do all of those things we both think he should be doing: he needs to accommodate the Knicks team with better leadership and play.

+1

Yeah like above average defense.

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1/17/2012  3:51 PM
Moonangie wrote:Now I haven't seen many games this season (FU MSG!!!!) but I can't believe the hate getting directed toward Stat. A slump is forgivable most of the time, particularly when the deficiencies aren't all based on effort. Let the man find his groove. He's no slouch.

Or is he?

since you haven't seen to many of the games, we will forgive you for not understanding how awful Amare has been.

BTW, you can download some nice game recaps here: http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/64773-NBA-2011-2012-Regular-Season-Full-Game-Downloads-No-Spoilers/page35

VERY good way to watch the game the next day.

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1/17/2012  3:53 PM
The only way this team can have a chance is if Amare plays like he did when he joined the Knicks i.e 26.9.2 54% Carmelo shoots 45% and Chandler is the guy who gives us 14 boards and 3 blocks with the solid o effort he has been giving

while tysone chandler is a good pick up I dont know if the Knicks were ready to shoot their last shot. Perhaps the team is best set TRADING amare problem is his value has dropped like a rock since 75% of last season.


If you give me the top line--Im sure we can do some things to fill in the bottom---anything less than those top line results is just disastrous for this team

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1/17/2012  6:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2012  6:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The only way this team can have a chance is if Amare plays like he did when he joined the Knicks i.e 26.9.2 54% Carmelo shoots 45% and Chandler is the guy who gives us 14 boards and 3 blocks with the solid o effort he has been giving

while tysone chandler is a good pick up I dont know if the Knicks were ready to shoot their last shot. Perhaps the team is best set TRADING amare problem is his value has dropped like a rock since 75% of last season.


If you give me the top line--Im sure we can do some things to fill in the bottom---anything less than those top line results is just disastrous for this team

Our hands are tied unless Amare and Melo rework their contracts to salaries similar to what the Heat trio make. Only then can we open up cap space for more serviceable parts. Simply put, we can't be paying Amare 20+ million and get the equivalent of 10 million in production from him.

That being said, as long as the Garden is sold out and Dolan is turning a profit,
I wonder if he really gives two sheits about the state of the team or its fans.
He's still got the Rangers.

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1/17/2012  6:46 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The only way this team can have a chance is if Amare plays like he did when he joined the Knicks i.e 26.9.2 54% Carmelo shoots 45% and Chandler is the guy who gives us 14 boards and 3 blocks with the solid o effort he has been giving

while tysone chandler is a good pick up I dont know if the Knicks were ready to shoot their last shot. Perhaps the team is best set TRADING amare problem is his value has dropped like a rock since 75% of last season.


If you give me the top line--Im sure we can do some things to fill in the bottom---anything less than those top line results is just disastrous for this team

Our hands are tied unless Amare and Melo rework their contracts to salaries similar to what the Heat trio make. Only then can we open up cap space for more serviceable parts. Simply put, we can't be paying Amare 20+ million and get the equivalent of 10 million in production from him.

That being said, as long as the Garden is sold out and Dolan is turning a profit,
I wonder if he really gives two sheits about the state of the team or its fans.
He's still got the Rangers.

If Amare was making 8-10 million I wouldnt complain. We would be able to bring in a sg and a point guard with that money left over. Than his production would be enough.

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1/17/2012  7:09 PM
misterearl wrote:
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
martin wrote:there are certainly a lot of things that could help Amare be more successful on the Knicks: outside shooters, PnR PG.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things Amare could do to help with the outcome of Knicks' games: play better defense, box out, not foul so early and often, make a 15 foot jumpshot, rebound.

I agree- in some games, like yesterday, you can see he's not making the effort- that is unacceptable. I can forgive him for not making the 15ft jump shots because he's put on too much muscle, and couldn't play basketball in the offseason (look at Dirk, he didn't do much in the offseason and it shows). It's a two way thing- the team needs accomodate him more, but like you said, he also needs to do his part and bring the effort.

The team flat out can't accommodate him more. The 15 foot jumpshot is a part of his arsenal and is off. We don't have a PG capable of running the team quite yet.

Amare can, however, do all of those things we both think he should be doing: he needs to accommodate the Knicks team with better leadership and play.

Exactly. If Amar'e decided to grab 15 boards and scored only 6 points, he would be cool in The Answer Man's book.

If Amar'e's shot is not dropping, for whatever reason - point guard included, it is up to HIM to make another contribution.

Anything.

Have to agree with all of the above. His effort has been nonexistent, and that's not Kosher. I tend to think he doesn't really u d'état and his role on defense especially with Ryson in there. How he ends matched up against guards on the perimeter is hard to understand. He looks tentative in everything he does. MDA needs to light a fire under this guy. He maybe paying too much attention to whether this is his team or Melo's and less attention to what he is doing. He really needs to embrace his role as second option otherwise we are screwed.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/17/2012  8:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2012  8:12 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The only way this team can have a chance is if Amare plays like he did when he joined the Knicks i.e 26.9.2 54% Carmelo shoots 45% and Chandler is the guy who gives us 14 boards and 3 blocks with the solid o effort he has been giving

while tysone chandler is a good pick up I dont know if the Knicks were ready to shoot their last shot. Perhaps the team is best set TRADING amare problem is his value has dropped like a rock since 75% of last season.


If you give me the top line--Im sure we can do some things to fill in the bottom---anything less than those top line results is just disastrous for this team

Our hands are tied unless Amare and Melo rework their contracts to salaries similar to what the Heat trio make. Only then can we open up cap space for more serviceable parts. Simply put, we can't be paying Amare 20+ million and get the equivalent of 10 million in production from him.

That being said, as long as the Garden is sold out and Dolan is turning a profit,
I wonder if he really gives two sheits about the state of the team or its fans.
He's still got the Rangers.

If they are serious about winning then they can restructure their contracts this summer since it is in the new CBA. Then we can offer Wilson Chandler a nice contract. He already said he'd love to play in NY again. Knicks obvious need help aside from Baron Davis. We get a guy like Wilson and a scoring guard to come off the bench like JR Smith & we'll be a top 3 team in the East.

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1/17/2012  8:56 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The only way this team can have a chance is if Amare plays like he did when he joined the Knicks i.e 26.9.2 54% Carmelo shoots 45% and Chandler is the guy who gives us 14 boards and 3 blocks with the solid o effort he has been giving

while tysone chandler is a good pick up I dont know if the Knicks were ready to shoot their last shot. Perhaps the team is best set TRADING amare problem is his value has dropped like a rock since 75% of last season.


If you give me the top line--Im sure we can do some things to fill in the bottom---anything less than those top line results is just disastrous for this team

Our hands are tied unless Amare and Melo rework their contracts to salaries similar to what the Heat trio make. Only then can we open up cap space for more serviceable parts. Simply put, we can't be paying Amare 20+ million and get the equivalent of 10 million in production from him.

That being said, as long as the Garden is sold out and Dolan is turning a profit,
I wonder if he really gives two sheits about the state of the team or its fans.
He's still got the Rangers.

If they are serious about winning then they can restructure their contracts this summer since it is in the new CBA. Then we can offer Wilson Chandler a nice contract. He already said he'd love to play in NY again. Knicks obvious need help aside from Baron Davis. We get a guy like Wilson and a scoring guard to come off the bench like JR Smith & we'll be a top 3 team in the East.

They're not...

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1/17/2012  9:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2012  9:41 PM
I agree with this tread 100% . Amare F.forever. U.nderappriciated is right on the money. This is a man that was willing to gamble with his career by coming over. Millions of dollars he would get regardless, not as many and not for as long, but that's what it takes to bring a player of his caliber to thise laughing stock of the team. Deal with it please because it's getting old. He came here for slightly more money but also to be able to say "The Knicks are back" Oh, how quickly we forget. Now we need ,we must, we absolutely have to make this work. Forget the silly trade proposals. We can change the coach( pls let's not commit mass suicide until at least after BD comes back, and preferably after the season is over) Yes MDA blows goats in the playoffs, but a man can change and let's give him a chance. Now, getting back to Stat. Is he the best rebounder at his position? Nope, I don't know why. Brook Lopez did some rebounding drills this summer, perhaps Amare should do the same. Is he the best defender at his position? Far from it. He is not the worst either. Not when it comes to his career. He used to help out on d pretty good and you cannot be a top blocker in the league without a commitment of some kind to defence. His offense I' d like to revisit once BD comes back because, as of right now, he has the worst back court out of ANY BIG MAN IN THE LEAGUE. I don't care if you play with your back to the basket, creating shots for yourself or if you play facing the basket ,like Dirk, you still need some kind of PG. Any kind of PG , AmARE has none. So let's revisit this in a bit once BD comes back.
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1/18/2012  2:04 AM
Amare talking a good game about
We'll be alright OR this and that aint gonna happen again, its my fault we lost the Orlando game
Blah blah blah blah ..

Have you seen such a disinterested looking Knick star ? in recent yrs or seasons ?

Don't know whats up with Stoudemire whom looks like he has a permanent Enema walking around & like he's taking Ex-lax
for the runs. His Play or Smarts isn't evident in many areas of basketball this season. His butt looks like just one
of the other guys on this team.

Maybe we' need to re-hire Willis Reed, Charles Oakman Oakley, Mase and few other tough ex Knicks
to kick Amare in the tail to jumpstart his 4 cylinder engine.

Amare is as big an issue in this early season as D'Antoni, at least Mike aint on the court playing.

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1/18/2012  4:00 AM
colombian0725 wrote:He is not a max player because he is not creating his own shot. Amare is being counted on this team to score points and play his position and that's rebound and not hide whenever someone comes in to lay up or dunk. How many times have ween seen him step aside and allow a dunk or lay up when Jorts jumps straight up with his arms and contests shots. Amare max player is supposed to at least be able to create for himself esp when melo is out with an injury. I mean look at Chris Bosh getting 33 points without wade or Lebron and leading Miami to a victory over ATL in a game we clearly would lose. He had a rookie in Cole and Mario Chalmers who at this point wouldn't start on many teams and isn't exactly the best passer. Bosh found ways to score. He took the ball in the post. I would take Chris Bosh at this point on this team with Melo. Chris Bosh is now banging in the paint with that little frame of his and he is scoring. I used to bash Bosh but he is actually taking the ball in the post and posting his man up and scoring. In a game where Bosh was playing without Wade and Lebron he had other parts of his game that he used to score. Post up game. Amare even with Melo out and ball movement hasn't been able to score. He is supposed to be a scorer. Scorers should be able to create offense. Amare is being exposed and now is looking like a role player that cannot create for himself. He requires a pg. It's pretty clear that he cannot be the number one guy if he cannot score because he does not have a point guard.

I was not making a point in calling him a max or vet-min player. It really doesnt matter what he earns at this point. Maybe him and Melo will restructure their contracts, maybe not. Does not matter for this season.

The point I was making is that no player can be judged by his own. Its always the situation he is in. And Stat is known for 9 years of playing an elite finisher. He was never supposed to create his shot. But him with a PG that gives him the ball at the right spot is as dangerous for the opposing team as it gets. Pay him max money for it? Really, I dont care. As others said, it was more about him being here to start something out of nothing. There were times last year he was looking like THE big prize in free agency. That includes LeBron and that biatch Bosh (good for him that he had a 33 point game, he can have the boxscore printed out and hang it over his bed).

Now you have him exposed. He is not a create for himself player, because he always either picks up an turnover or an offensive foul when he tries to dribble to the basket. But hes neither a player who needs a MVP-Nash as his PG. A RayRay was enough to give him 9 30+ games (dont remember how many it were).

So, if you only need to give a top 15 PG 5 million a year, to have Stat play like a MVP candidate, I would rather wait for the off season and sign one. That is, if baron dont work out!
The alternative is to send Amare away in a trade. You would not get enough in return for him in any trade scenario to justify this.

But until then, Stat on the other hand has to get his head out his arse and do what he did for like 3 games this season: Be ferocious on the offensive glass and work! Your shot is not falling? Box out and rebound, because Melos shots are not falling neither.

This team is disfunctional as it is, but its not Stats fault in my view. Its neither Melos fault (well, not totally at least, hes really trying this season and I give him that), its Dolans fault to blow his wad on Melo and in turn alienate the best GM hes ever had, destroy a functional team, rip his coach of said team, blablabla... Water under the bridge and so on.

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1/18/2012  8:18 AM
I would talk with the Lakers about a Gasol for Amare trade. Gasol is an big man that operates around the basket and is a better passer than Amare. I think he would work better with Melo than Amare does.

Another trade would be Amare and Chandler for Howard, but I don't think the Magic would do that trade unless Howard is definitely leaving

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1/18/2012  10:30 AM
misterearl wrote:knicks1248 - "Last season Amare made every player around him better,..."

Last year the players around him were better players.

I guess that goes for TD and Fields as well.

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1/18/2012  10:33 AM
TheGame wrote:I would talk with the Lakers about a Gasol for Amare trade. Gasol is an big man that operates around the basket and is a better passer than Amare. I think he would work better with Melo than Amare does.

Another trade would be Amare and Chandler for Howard, but I don't think the Magic would do that trade unless Howard is definitely leaving

Both are long shots... sadly

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1/18/2012  10:42 AM
Wait a minute...First amare and melo were iso players, no amare can't create his own shot...

I hope he blows up for 30 tonight, cause this thread is more of a reaction, then It Is fact..

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1/18/2012  10:43 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Wait a minute...First amare and melo were iso players, no amare can't create his own shot...

I hope he blows up for 30 tonight, cause this thread is more of a reaction, then It Is fact..

+1

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1/18/2012  10:46 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Wait a minute...First amare and melo were iso players, no amare can't create his own shot...

I hope he blows up for 30 tonight, cause this thread is more of a reaction, then It Is fact..

+1


Yeah, I think this is kinda of the norm for Amar'e. I remember the last few season with Phoeni he started of slow and then came off like gangbusters. The problem is that we don't have luxury of time.
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1/18/2012  11:03 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Wait a minute...First amare and melo were iso players, no amare can't create his own shot...

I hope he blows up for 30 tonight, cause this thread is more of a reaction, then It Is fact..

When was Amare ever known as an ISO player? At times we see him put his head down at the top of the key and bull his way to the basket, but at his best, Amare was and always is a finisher. Unfortunately, he has no one to cook and set the table for him....

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1/18/2012  11:20 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Last season Amare made every player around him better, this year everyone is struggling but Melo..HMMM

Not to mention MDA change his entire playbook for Melo, or dummy it down..How come the core of players that started the season last year are playing pooly and inconsistant this yr in basically the same system.

Some of you guy's clearly don't take the time to look at every thing thats happening on the floor..Amare has no room to operate, the PnR is hardly ever run right with him, he doesn't look comfortable at all, not with melo, or tyson..

Not sure why MDA hasn't played Jorts and Amare more without tyson and Melo on the floor..IMO the two best line ups

Jorts Tyson
Amare Jorts
Bill/ melo
Fields shrump
Bibby TD
Not sure how you juggle it, but that seems like the best chemistry

You can start Amare, then rest him early, have him play his bulk of minutes with the bench..I know someone started a thread about having Amare coming off the bench, which is crazy, but he needs to play with the bench more cause those guys around him spread the floor and PASS THE BALL..Jorts needs to be the first guy off the bench for real..

This man wins the Cuban Cigar! Amare is constantly phased out on the offensive end when he is in. I think that is why he is forcing the issue in an attempt to get his. Douglas seems allergic to passing to him and only seems able to get Melo the ball. Imam, when in will hit him but DumDumDouglas won't and once Melo gets the ball, your lucky if anyone else see's it.

Sure he has had some good passing games but, once he goes into Melo mode (usually starting late 2nd quarter, he becomes a black hole.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  11:36 AM
So when Melo was injured and out where was Amare? Too busy playing defense and rebounding? he scored 20 points in both the games.
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