umbisam wrote:I agree thou .... Rubio is not a "rookie" as an ex-college player .... he's well experienced and he should nt be included among young new pro player

It's his first year in the NBA. It's an NBA award.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/01/09/ricky-rubio-minnesota-timberwolves-future/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Rubio's game is sublime. Like all great point guards -- he isn't there, yet, but he's close -- Rubio seems to play among teammates yet float above them at the same time, like he's playing by himself and then snaps to attention. But he feels the game. He doesn't give up his dribble until he's ready. He already has a mastery of the hesitation dribble, textbook bounce passes in traffic, skip passes that wind up right on a shooter's hands. Rubio makes scoring passes, not just passing for the sake of passing, and his teammates must have their heads on a swivel at all times -- " I got hit in the face the other day," Love said. Williams, who also had a +29 plus-minus Sunday playing with Rubio, should start Rubio's car every morning; like Kidd, like Nash, Rubio is gonna get guys paid.

also, blake griffin won ROY after missing his real first season due to injury - this despite sitting in on team practices for a year and learning and adapting to the culture of the nba... and even playing in a few pre-season games before his injury. that seems a little more dubious than rubio winning the award in his first year in the league.

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Kyrie Irving

Make that TWO votes for Kyrie Irving as ROY.
Rubio 2nd
Shump 3rd
Brooks 4th

2011-12 Statistics
Rubio Games 8 PPG 9.9  RPG 3.90 APG 7.6 STL 1.1 EFF + 14.88
Iman  Games 4 PPG 12.5 RPG 3.50 APG 3.5 STL 2.0 EFF + 13.25
Kyrie games 8 PPG 15.0 RPG 3.90 APG 5.1 STL 0.6 EFF + 14.75 
 

nixluva wrote:Still WAY too early to declare a winner. Rubio has the early excitement with his spectacular passing. We'll see how it looks in another month or so. Iman just got back and into the mix.

2011-12 Statistics
Rubio Games 8 PPG 9.9  RPG 3.90 APG 7.6 STL 1.1 EFF + 14.88
Iman  Games 4 PPG 12.5 RPG 3.50 APG 3.5 STL 2.0 EFF + 13.25
Kyrie games 8 PPG 15.0 RPG 3.90 APG 5.1 STL 0.6 EFF + 14.75 
 

It is early, but at the same time it seems Shumpert won't get to pad his stats as much as the others. Love me some Shumps, but Irving will get more scoring opportunities on a lottery Cavs team, and Rubio will get more assists on a young, exciting borderline .500 team. So Shumpert's stats will fall underneath those 2 in those 2 major categories, but at the end of the day, he'll probably be the only one out of those rookies making highlights in the playoffs, so fair trade.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Man this Rubio thing is only 8 games in. Iman is only 4 games played. There is still a lot of season left. We haven't even seen Iman comfortable yet. He just got back from injury and just got into the starting lineup. For a guy that literally just got back he's been extremely impactful and it's tangible.

Yes Rubio is a preternatural passer, but no one has gotten a chance to really see what Iman can do and appreciate his game. Like I said, once we get to all those national games if Iman plays well people will start to take more notice of him. Neither Rubio or Iman has been thru anything like this schedule, so we'll see how both hold up.

so Rubio has played twice as many games as Shumpert, but it's too early to tell about Rubio and you're already convinced Shumpert is the answer.

that group of "no one" having gotten a chance to see what Shumpert can do includes you and me and everyone here. so let's sit back and enjoy the kid. for you to project him to be better than Rubio is a huge stretch given what little you've seen of shumpert in a knicks uniform. people here who are touting Rubio, I'm guessing, have been following him for years and saw him in the 2008 olympics where he gave the US a lot of trouble at age 18. the sample size for rubio is far larger at this point. that's not taking anything away from shump, but if you're saying people are just dazzled by rubio because they haven't seen that much of him, i'm saying most people have seen much more of rubio. shump's body of work isn't big at all yet. i think he can be good, but this ROY talk needs to chill.

i'm just saying if anyone is predicting or hoping for a chance for shump to win ROY, he's got an uphill battle ahead of him as Rubio is the clear frontrunner.

Well Yeah I felt good about Shump from before the season. Why is that so strange? I see your bias already. You think Iman doesn't have the pedigree and that a 17th pick couldn't possibly be a legit ROY candidate. Iman has a wealth of talent and he also has a few things he needs to improve on like most rookies, but for you not to recognize how good he's looked already is beyond me. He hasn't had the Golden Child tag that Rubio has had for years. Iman has been doubted and had to fight and work to be taken seriously as a 1st rd prospect.

You don't really believe in Iman, that's fine. I do believe in the kid. Time will tell, but don't tell me he's far off cuz he's not.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Man this Rubio thing is only 8 games in. Iman is only 4 games played. There is still a lot of season left. We haven't even seen Iman comfortable yet. He just got back from injury and just got into the starting lineup. For a guy that literally just got back he's been extremely impactful and it's tangible.

Yes Rubio is a preternatural passer, but no one has gotten a chance to really see what Iman can do and appreciate his game. Like I said, once we get to all those national games if Iman plays well people will start to take more notice of him. Neither Rubio or Iman has been thru anything like this schedule, so we'll see how both hold up.

so Rubio has played twice as many games as Shumpert, but it's too early to tell about Rubio and you're already convinced Shumpert is the answer.

that group of "no one" having gotten a chance to see what Shumpert can do includes you and me and everyone here. so let's sit back and enjoy the kid. for you to project him to be better than Rubio is a huge stretch given what little you've seen of shumpert in a knicks uniform. people here who are touting Rubio, I'm guessing, have been following him for years and saw him in the 2008 olympics where he gave the US a lot of trouble at age 18. the sample size for rubio is far larger at this point. that's not taking anything away from shump, but if you're saying people are just dazzled by rubio because they haven't seen that much of him, i'm saying most people have seen much more of rubio. shump's body of work isn't big at all yet. i think he can be good, but this ROY talk needs to chill.

i'm just saying if anyone is predicting or hoping for a chance for shump to win ROY, he's got an uphill battle ahead of him as Rubio is the clear frontrunner.

Well Yeah I felt good about Shump from before the season. Why is that so strange? I see your bias already. You think Iman doesn't have the pedigree and that a 17th pick couldn't possibly be a legit ROY candidate. Iman has a wealth of talent and he also has a few things he needs to improve on like most rookies, but for you not to recognize how good he's looked already is beyond me. He hasn't had the Golden Child tag that Rubio has had for years. Iman has been doubted and had to fight and work to be taken seriously as a 1st rd prospect.

You don't really believe in Iman, that's fine. I do believe in the kid. Time will tell, but don't tell me he's far off cuz he's not.

see, this is where you're completely blinded and biased. i've been one of shumpert's biggest supporters on this board from day one, having actually seen him play in college. i started the sprewell comparisons on this board.

i have no bias against shumpert. i love the kid and think he'll be a great player and that he's already a very good one.

i also have no bias against rubio. you seem to take any compliment to a player on another team as a slam against the knicks. that's not what this is. i'm purely reporting a little reality to your knicks only cave. rubio is the favorite to win rookie of the year and he's received non-stop praise for his excellent play this year. furthermore, my saying i don't think iman shumpert will win rookie of the year does not mean i don't think he's a great young player. that's ridiculous. that's like me saying i don't think melo will win MVP so i think he sucks. well, i don't think melo will win MVP, but i think he's played great this year. wild, huh?

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gunsnewing wrote:Drafting Shumpert really saved the Knicks because there was nothing left after the Melo trade. Smart drafting is a big key in every sport.

speaking of which, how are Jordan Hill and Brandon Jennings doing these days?

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Drafting Shumpert really saved the Knicks because there was nothing left after the Melo trade. Smart drafting is a big key in every sport.

speaking of which, how are Jordan Hill and Brandon Jennings doing these days?

Jordan Hill

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 24 HOU NBA 8 7 18.6 2.1 4.0 .531 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 .667 1.5 4.0 5.5 0.6 0.3 0.6 1.1 2.8 5.0
Career NBA 127 18 14.9 2.3 4.6 .494 0.0 0.0 .000 0.9 1.3 .691 1.7 2.4 4.1 0.4 0.2 0.6 0.8 2.1 5.4

Brandon Jennings

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 22 MIL NBA 8 8 37.9 6.9 17.0 .404 1.6 5.9 .277 2.8 3.6 .759 0.9 2.5 3.4 5.4 1.9 0.1 2.5 1.5 18.1
Career NBA 153 151 33.6 5.7 14.9 .381 1.7 4.8 .347 2.9 3.6 .810 0.6 2.9 3.5 5.3 1.4 0.3 2.4 2.2 15.9

Looks like Jennings turned out to be solid at 18 pts and 5 asts per game. Jordan Hill was just a terrible pick in so many ways...we could've had a starting PG already (Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Maynor, Collison). Oh well Hindsight is 20/20, and Baron Davis is roughly a month away