fishmike wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

Welcome and get used to it. This is from the same guy who thinks Melo takes too many midrange jumpers. Anyone who knows this game can see shumpert looks great

Yeah, it's from the guy who's been right while you've been wrong about this franchise. (And your statement does not accurately reflect anything I've ever said anyway.)

More reason to get a new coach ASAP. This kid has a ton of potential but the only negative I see in his game is shot selection, shot selection, shot selection. We need a coach to rein this kid in and give him direction and proper coaching, and not this chuck and duck system with zero accountability. I love that Baron is taking him aside and doing a bit of player coaching, but lol, Baron isn't exactly the epitome of a good role model in this respect. He's taken his fair share of bad shots in New Orleans and Clippers as well.

But I love the confidence and swagger Shumpert has, which is infectious even to our veteran players. On a team like the Kings, Shumpert may come off as c*cky and his attitude might put off his teammates. On a team with clear alpha dogs in Melo and Amar'e, Shumpert is the perfect fit. We better not trade this kid, and I've never said that for Frye, D. Lee, Wilson, Gallo, and Fields. He could be our starting SG for years, and if Baron is with us long-term as well, we have our starting 5 all set, and only need to work on the bench (which would be off to a decent start once Toney and Fields gets out of the starting lineup)

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it's from the guy who's been right while you've been wrong about this franchise. (And your statement does not accurately reflect anything I've ever said anyway.)

The team has been in one form of rebuilding for nearly 10 years, how F'n hard was it for someone to take the odds that it would fail over the last 10 years? It's not like we've had great rosters every year. Yet if someone takes the odds and says they thought the Knicks could reach their potential of being mediocre rather than bad over the last 8 years, people gloat like they did something special when the team failed. You aren't taking any chances in predicting failure for a team that didn't have any success. The hard part is to try and see how the team could reach it's potential in any given year.

Being RIGHT when betting against success with this team was the easy road over the last decade. Doesn't make you a genius.

I haven't been fully right or betting against success. I predicted 36-30 this year and in my history here have consistently predicted more wins than the team actually got (probably because I let my love of the team cloud my predictions). I've just been less far off than most here.

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

Most likely what happened anyway was that he read my thread and then realized he needed to play more under control on offense.

I wouldn't want Monta Ellis but the others are good examples.

i think Iman is a really smart kid, he set to tone early in the league that he is aggressive and has no fear.
it makes it even harder to defend him if opponents are guarding his shot/penetration and it will open up his passing game.
He doesnt look to shoot himself out of it and shows he can play a facilitating role as well.
it doesn't matter if he is a SG, PG, Combo Guard, or whatever label, he can ball....
watching him being able to facilitate and being able to play PG would be a strength added to his game.
Like Derrick Rose, he is capable of facilitating and scoring.
While he is no where near Rose is right now, he is showing flashes that he has the mentality that a PG and one of SG.
His advantage is at PG, not many PG's has the size to guard him.
With his size, athleticism, and quickness he can shoot or penetrate over many PGs.
Defensively he can also be a nightmare for many PGs, staying in front of his man and applying pressure.
Its a great luxury to have him at PG at times, especially with the new breed of "combo PGs" in the makes of Rose, Westbrook, Wall, and many more.
He is easily our best defender, I would like to see him vs Cp3, Wade, and Lebron.
We also have to look how he plays the PG position vs good/great defensive teams.

I hope TD finds back his game, confidence, and role that he played when he surprised many last year.
Fields, with the rest of our team, needed yesterdays game to get some much needed confidence.
It was finally a game where there looked to be a system, team work, and ball movement.
Defensively, it showed how Iman stops the penetration that TD allows too easily.
We can't allow our opponents to break through to Tyson Chandler that easily, with him being our only real shot blocker/defender/rebounder.
I think we still need another PF/C capable of playing PF with Chandler and at Center that is 6'11.
With athleticism, speed/quickness, or that defensively is similar to Jared Jeffries/Dirk.

Bibby is still a great shooter, however, like TD, they both aren't good at penetrating.
Jeremy Lin should be see more minutes at PG after Iman.
Its nice to see Balkman producing, as many of us liked him as the junkyard dog role.
He is the last player left from the Isiah era, even though he was just traded back as a "bad contract" in the Melo deal.
Shumpert is the only legit PG and SG we currently have right now.
Fields and Walker don't have the speed, quickness to guard SGs.
They also can't handle the ball to take the pressure of TD and Bibby.
Dirk played some "point-forward/center". He has great handle with speed/quickness for a 7footer.
He is a decent rebounder and a good complimentary defender with Chandler.

With Iman capable of playing PG at times, I would like to look for a pairing at SG with him.
A SG with good size, length, athleticism, quickness, and defense would be very dangerous to have together.
Ariza, with the way he played at the Lakers would be ideal. The versatility that Odom/Ariza sparked the bench was big for the Lakers.

With Iman capable of playing PG at times, I would like to look for a pairing at SG with him.
A SG with good size, length, athleticism, quickness, and defense would be very dangerous to have together.
Ariza, with the way he played at the Lakers would be ideal. The versatility that Odom/Ariza sparked the bench was big for the Lakers.
Their hustle translated to steals, rebounds, offensive rebounds, fast breaks, stops and many things we dont see on the stat sheet.
That energy and lift they provided, is very infectious and can really get the Garden rumbling.
I am already thinking about getting the players needed to stop the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, Portland and a couple others.
Dunleavey, is another versatile player, that has the skills to play the SG-PF depending on the matchups.
He can play some point/forward and has high BB IQ to go with his all round skills.
With skills ranging from posting up, hitting the 3, playing defense at multiple positions with his length, and facilitating.
Problem is he seems injury prone, but he is a rare unique player to have all that skill with his size and versatility.

With our 2nd picks in Fields, Jorts, and Jordan, after their 2 year contract is up, are we only allowed to use our exemptions for a new contract?
Are we allowed to match an offer for them? Its a decision we have to make and decide by the deadline for Fields and in another year for Jorts/Jordan.
With TD and Fields play recently, they wouldn't carry much value on a trade, hopefully we break out of this funk and gain the confidence and team work needed.
I am not sure what is going on with Ariza but he seems to have taken a step back from his Lakers days.
Dunleavey and Ariza are both dealing with injuries this year but are players I think are worth keeping an eye on.
They both have multiple players at their positions in the Bucks and New Orleans.

However, I don't think Dunleavey would be available do to his father coaching on the Bucks.
Ariza would probably be available and is a realistic target and player we can attain thru trade.
What are some players that you guys feel we could use? Anyone know who could fill our holes in the D league?
With the 2.5 exemption, I think we can target a player like Ak47, Kmart, or Prizbilla.
Prizbilla isn't a PF/C, being a legit backup center though. Kris Humphries is a hustle player to have however, he isn't a shot blocker but a decent defender.
A younger Joe Smith could be serviceable player.
I hope we use the mini exemption this year, with the max amount available with 2 years.
Anyone know if we can resign Baron Davis to a 2 year deal with the 2.5m if we can't attain a serviceable PF/C with it?

I think KG would be an ideal player to target for the full MLE in the summer.
I think we would be looking at the best PG available with the lower exemptions.
Ray Allen still has plenty of game left in him as he is still one of the leagues best shooters and probably still the best jump shooter.
However, he seems to be looking for an extension in the 7-10m/per year for 2 years.
I would love to add both players but I don't even know if the MLE is enough to even attract one of them.
I would hate to see KG paired up with Dwight Howard or the Heat, Bulls, and Pacers.