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Why are we not considering Shumpert at PG?
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Sangfroid
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1/8/2012  4:58 PM
When you look at his skillset, you have to be pleased that we took him in the draft. It takes the sting out of not having a 1st round pick for 2012. We are still waiting for the arrival of Baron Davis, the heir apparent to this years' PG spot. Moving forward, it will be interesting to see the development of team chemistry, and what possibilities we have for the PG position during the 2013-13 season.
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1/8/2012  6:09 PM
I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

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1/8/2012  9:56 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

What do u mean not a primary ball handler? If he couldn't handle the ball he would not have played PG his entire life at Georgia Tech. His handle is way better than Spree. As far as his decision making at PG I think he already proved that you don't need to be Paul or Stockton to make your teammates better by moving the ball and getting everyone easy shots

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1/8/2012  10:29 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

i agree. in his rookie season when hardaway was injured in GSW, spree ran the point and the team went 9-2.

though i will say iman has a better handle than spree. spree couldn't go left and shump appears to be able to go left and right, which is impressive.

i think shump is a more natural shooting guard, but again our sample size is really small. he's looked good at the point against washington and detroit, two horrible defensive squads. let's see him develop and see what he turns in to.

i'm just happy that he appears to be a player no matter where he eventually fits. more importantly, i think he fits the personality of this squad. that's something fields had with the felton/gallo/wilson/amare unit but hasn't found with melo/amare/tyson. iman fits like a glove with the new team.

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1/9/2012  4:35 AM
I do not like labels, but for the sake of it, one name that never came up until now: What about comparing Iman to Andre Iguodala? Both are freaking athletes with defense, handle and vision. Igu is a playmaker from the 2-3 spot since his 3rd season with the 76ers.
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1/9/2012  4:40 AM
SteveSmith wrote:I do not like labels, but for the sake of it, one name that never came up until now: What about comparing Iman to Andre Iguodala? Both are freaking athletes with defense, handle and vision. Igu is a playmaker from the 2-3 spot since his 3rd season with the 76ers.

I think a better comparison is Westbrook, Wade or Rose. Iman is a big PG/SG that also defends, scores and distributes plus the added flair of an elite athlete. If he continues to get the attention of MDA, B. Diddy and Woodson to coach him up on what to do as a PG, this kid is gonna be something.

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1/9/2012  5:08 AM
nixluva wrote:
SteveSmith wrote:I do not like labels, but for the sake of it, one name that never came up until now: What about comparing Iman to Andre Iguodala? Both are freaking athletes with defense, handle and vision. Igu is a playmaker from the 2-3 spot since his 3rd season with the 76ers.

I think a better comparison is Westbrook, Wade or Rose. Iman is a big PG/SG that also defends, scores and distributes plus the added flair of an elite athlete. If he continues to get the attention of MDA, B. Diddy and Woodson to coach him up on what to do as a PG, this kid is gonna be something.

I certainly agree that he reminds me of these 3 guys. As I stated, I dont like labels, but was amused that by all the labeling done here, Igu never came up.

He might have a bit of everything these guys have, already. Mix and develop the best of it and you have an all-nba player.

Igu physicallity and D. Wades contortion and agility when driving. Westbrooks... well, I certainly like watching him, but I dont think I would love to have him on my team in front of what Iman can/will be.

Most important: If Iman gets a big slice of the all-pro, no-bull**** D.Rose, he will be great.

He is a gym rat and I hope/think he is very willing to learn from the good vets we have around. Thats something I have to have fate in: Good Vets around a young guy. Imagine we had drafted Rondo in '06. He would have been traded away long since, showed up on a hick ass mountain town in the midwest and always been considered a 2nd to 3rd string PG that couldnt shoot to save his life (Sessions anyone?). He was not, he came to the Basterds and was developed by 3 of the all time greats.

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1/9/2012  11:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

Don't see Spreewell at all. Spree didn't have great handle at all, he was cat quick and had an explosive first step obviously. Shumpert's handle is closer to Wade and Rose. He's also close to 30 pounds heavier than Sprewell was, longer wingspan(6'9), and more athletic (42" vertical leap).

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1/9/2012  12:23 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

Don't see Spreewell at all. Spree didn't have great handle at all, he was cat quick and had an explosive first step obviously. Shumpert's handle is closer to Wade and Rose. He's also close to 30 pounds heavier than Sprewell was, longer wingspan(6'9), and more athletic (42" vertical leap).

yeah, i don't want to explode expectations out of whack, but so far in his rookie season, Shumpert is reminding me a little of Wade's rookie season. think Wade was at about 14ppg 5apg 5rpg in his rookie year. again, don't want to heap the expectations on him too early. but i think he's basically in the same category as Wade - not in terms of being a super duper star - but in terms of being a well-rounded guard who does everything well and can play either position in the backcourt.

he's got a ridiculously high ceiling. i hope the expectations don't get too out of whack though. it's nice that we have him on a team where he doesn't need to carry the load. maybe that will help bring him along a little more slowly like the Celtics did with Rondo.

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1/9/2012  12:35 PM
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

Don't see Spreewell at all. Spree didn't have great handle at all, he was cat quick and had an explosive first step obviously. Shumpert's handle is closer to Wade and Rose. He's also close to 30 pounds heavier than Sprewell was, longer wingspan(6'9), and more athletic (42" vertical leap).

yeah, i don't want to explode expectations out of whack, but so far in his rookie season, Shumpert is reminding me a little of Wade's rookie season. think Wade was at about 14ppg 5apg 5rpg in his rookie year. again, don't want to heap the expectations on him too early. but i think he's basically in the same category as Wade - not in terms of being a super duper star - but in terms of being a well-rounded guard who does everything well and can play either position in the backcourt.

he's got a ridiculously high ceiling. i hope the expectations don't get too out of whack though. it's nice that we have him on a team where he doesn't need to carry the load. maybe that will help bring him along a little more slowly like the Celtics did with Rondo.

In my opinion, this is the perfect situation for Shumpert, where he doesn't have to carry the load and can fly under the radar with all the stars we already have. He can learn and thrive the way young guards like a Rajon Rondo, a Tony Parker, or a Sam Cassell from the Houston Rockets days, did with veteran laden playoff tested teams.

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1/9/2012  12:47 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I see spreewells game all over shrump..not a primary ball handler but in certain situations he will do..

And let's not forget the love affair we had with fields in his first 3 months..

Don't see Spreewell at all. Spree didn't have great handle at all, he was cat quick and had an explosive first step obviously. Shumpert's handle is closer to Wade and Rose. He's also close to 30 pounds heavier than Sprewell was, longer wingspan(6'9), and more athletic (42" vertical leap).

yeah, i don't want to explode expectations out of whack, but so far in his rookie season, Shumpert is reminding me a little of Wade's rookie season. think Wade was at about 14ppg 5apg 5rpg in his rookie year. again, don't want to heap the expectations on him too early. but i think he's basically in the same category as Wade - not in terms of being a super duper star - but in terms of being a well-rounded guard who does everything well and can play either position in the backcourt.

he's got a ridiculously high ceiling. i hope the expectations don't get too out of whack though. it's nice that we have him on a team where he doesn't need to carry the load. maybe that will help bring him along a little more slowly like the Celtics did with Rondo.

In my opinion, this is the perfect situation for Shumpert, where he doesn't have to carry the load and can fly under the radar with all the stars we already have. He can learn and thrive the way young guards like a Rajon Rondo, a Tony Parker, or a Sam Cassell from the Houston Rockets days, did with veteran laden playoff tested teams.

That's exactly how I felt coming into this season. Shump doesn't have to worry about carrying a team. He can just do his thing and let the stars shine. While doing that he finds success himself. I'm hoping that the kid develops a real comfort level and gets his groove with the starters and his own game. Develop some consistency. He's got all the talent in the world to succeed.

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1/9/2012  12:56 PM
During player introductions

Please give Shumpert a standing ovation tonight for playing hurt and making the guys around him better.

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1/9/2012  1:12 PM
Been awhile since we had a rookie with so much charisma and potential that could actually turn into something special. You can tell there's something there already, that no offense, but Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Channing Frye, etc never had...
Why are we not considering Shumpert at PG?

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