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1/5/2012  9:00 PM
Hey, no need to bash Landry Fields. As it stands, he over-delivered as a 2nd round pick over the course of an entire season.

He's not the decision maker keeping him on the floor. Ultimately, that's D'Antoni. Perhaps the unfortunate thing for the Knicks is (at least at this point) that he's the best SG on the Knicks roster... that is, until he's officially displaced by Tony Douglas or Iman Shumpert!

I think Shumpert showed in the last game that he has the potential to be frighteningly good - all of his 18 points came in the flow; not much felt rushed about his game - he reacted well to what the defense was giving him. Perhaps the Wade comparisons may not prove to be that far off!

(To be fair, the sample size is extremely small with Shumpert. Landry Fields had a big night 3 games ago - dropping 21pts, 5rbds... after that, we were hopeful in declaring Fields back on track.)

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1/5/2012  9:22 PM
rvwink wrote:".but the Knicks shouldn't wait to put Landry on the bench. Nobody should be hand held through this."

Landry is playing badly because he is a team player trying to contribute the way MDA taught him along side a couple of selfish scorers who are not passing the ball around. The fact that Landry didn't cause the problem is sad. The right solution to Landry's problem is for Melo to stop dominating the ball and begin sharing it much more. When Melo is having a bad day, why is he allowed to keep shooting.

It begins to look to me that MDA is afraid of correcting the way Melo is currently playing? Anyone else get that idea also?

I don't get it....if the Knicks need baskets you want Melo to stop shooting and look for Landry to make him feel good about himself?

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1/5/2012  9:52 PM
rvwink wrote:".but the Knicks shouldn't wait to put Landry on the bench. Nobody should be hand held through this."

Landry is playing badly because he is a team player trying to contribute the way MDA taught him along side a couple of selfish scorers who are not passing the ball around. The fact that Landry didn't cause the problem is sad. The right solution to Landry's problem is for Melo to stop dominating the ball and begin sharing it much more. When Melo is having a bad day, why is he allowed to keep shooting.

It begins to look to me that MDA is afraid of correcting the way Melo is currently playing? Anyone else get that idea also?

Why is Shump not stumped playing alongside Melo but Landry is? Is it Melo's fault that Landry misses wide open 3's and layup gimmes at the basket? Is it Melo's fault that Landry is playing out of position and has an extremely hard time guarding 2's? Maybe Landry, the 2nd rounder, was a flash in the pan and his exploits have been captured on video, viewed by scouts and coaches and now the defense actually pays a little attention to him.

Melo keeps shooting because thats what scorer's do. Who else would you rather shoot before Melo. Landry? The same Landry that hesitates every time the ball is kicked to him? Bill Walker? The one that MDA screamed at to "shoot the damn ball!" Dont act like Melo doesn't move the ball....

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1/5/2012  10:27 PM
Whats going on with most here? Its six games into the season, w/o a training camp and a revamped roster (more or less). Miami came out the gates last year slowly with a full camp. Did you guys think we were going to fare better for some reason? We owe MDA at least a year to see what he can accomplish. He was here for two seasons going through the rebuilding process and now when we finally have our pieces together, you guys want to dump him? Thats messed up...Who the f@ck is out there anyway. Dont get me wrong, I am not liking the amount of threes they are taking each night, (looking like a playground team without much strategy) but we shouldnt be this fickle as fans.

Shump may be a better option at the two if Fields continues to struggle but I think we should let the kid play and develop his game a bit more. You need glue guys like that on a team, coming off the bench could help him but I doubt it. Yanking him out the starting lineup will probably stunt his growth.

TD is not a point and will be more useful as a spark-plug off the bench, the kid's brains are probably so effed up with all the stuff being thrown his way, plus he is going up against professional competition while he is learning on the fly, which aint easy. Whatever the case is, I am liking the fact they they are forcing him to become a playmaker. Just another option to have. I also like Melo being a point forward, basically expanding his game and having him get others involved, not just himself. You then factor in Baron, Bibby, Shump, and Liu, that makes six people that can bring up the ball and set up the offense for us, which is great imo.

It seems that the Knicks are trying to do too much too quick, and with everyone's reaction around here who can blame them. Enough with all this talk about firing the coach, we all need to relax, deserves to stay this year. If Jax becomes available in the summer than thats another story entirely...

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1/5/2012  10:29 PM
It's not 6 games. It's ten years.
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1/5/2012  10:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not 6 games. It's ten years.

More like 10 days.

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1/5/2012  10:40 PM
EnySpree wrote:
rvwink wrote:".but the Knicks shouldn't wait to put Landry on the bench. Nobody should be hand held through this."

Landry is playing badly because he is a team player trying to contribute the way MDA taught him along side a couple of selfish scorers who are not passing the ball around. The fact that Landry didn't cause the problem is sad. The right solution to Landry's problem is for Melo to stop dominating the ball and begin sharing it much more. When Melo is having a bad day, why is he allowed to keep shooting.

It begins to look to me that MDA is afraid of correcting the way Melo is currently playing? Anyone else get that idea also?

I don't get it....if the Knicks need baskets you want Melo to stop shooting and look for Landry to make him feel good about himself?

Well yes, IF Landry is open under he basket as he often is and Melo is trying to dribble through double coverage, he should defintely look for Landry.

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1/5/2012  11:09 PM
loweyecue wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
rvwink wrote:".but the Knicks shouldn't wait to put Landry on the bench. Nobody should be hand held through this."

Landry is playing badly because he is a team player trying to contribute the way MDA taught him along side a couple of selfish scorers who are not passing the ball around. The fact that Landry didn't cause the problem is sad. The right solution to Landry's problem is for Melo to stop dominating the ball and begin sharing it much more. When Melo is having a bad day, why is he allowed to keep shooting.

It begins to look to me that MDA is afraid of correcting the way Melo is currently playing? Anyone else get that idea also?

I don't get it....if the Knicks need baskets you want Melo to stop shooting and look for Landry to make him feel good about himself?

Well yes, IF Landry is open under he basket as he often is and Melo is trying to dribble through double coverage, he should defintely look for Landry.

OK now you are buggin....Are we talking Melo or Cory Maggette?

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1/5/2012  11:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2012  11:15 PM
Whoever is defending Landry and using Melo as his excuse is clearly a time Warner cable subscriber

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1/6/2012  12:19 AM
"I don't get it....if the Knicks need baskets you want Melo to stop shooting and look for Landry to make him feel good about himself?"

No! I want Melo to stop catching passes and then taking whatever time is required to get a shot up himself. Instead he should move the ball and try to get it to an open shooter. Look at the Heat. They have Superstars too and yet they move the ball quite well from side to side. I want the "unselfish passing" back that the Knicks last had the first half of last year. All it takes is one "pig" to put an end to unselfish passing.

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1/6/2012  12:27 AM
rvwink wrote:"I don't get it....if the Knicks need baskets you want Melo to stop shooting and look for Landry to make him feel good about himself?"

No! I want Melo to stop catching passes and then taking whatever time is required to get a shot up himself. Instead he should move the ball and try to get it to an open shooter. Look at the Heat. They have Superstars too and yet they move the ball quite well from side to side. I want the "unselfish passing" back that the Knicks last had the first half of last year. All it takes is one "pig" to put an end to unselfish passing.

It takes time to build chemistry, not sure what some you expect, even the heat struggled out of the gate last season. In a full season, training camp would have ended this week..

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1/6/2012  2:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  2:46 AM
If the problem is Melo cancels Landry out — which seems reasonable considering GymTanLandry's pre- and post-Melo numbers and the open court vs. half court observation upthread — I have no problem with Mr. Fields to the bench considering we are paying Fields 2nd round pick money and he's playing 2nd round pick ball right now. Maybe he really misses his homie Andy Rautins on the bench.

I like the guy a lot from last year with his play and off-the-court shenanigans like that Modell's YouTube video. But unfortunately for me and thankfully for the league, no one pays me to make basketball decisions.

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1/6/2012  5:37 AM
Ahem strong title aside....

Eny had it right saying Landed needs to be in SWilliam's old role. He can develop into a smaller version of Shane Battier lite.

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1/6/2012  7:08 AM
Melo's style of play is not building chemistry. Selfish play with the rest of the team standing and watching is simply the wrong way for a team that wants to compete for the championship to play imo.
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1/6/2012  8:09 AM
Superstars make those around them more effective.

Allstars put up good stats.

We got a tale of two Melos: One is the ball hogging shot creater who is doing what he does best when we need to crawl out of a deficit. The other is the Good Melo who passes and gets easy baskets for others.

There are spurts where Both Lando and Melo are playing good.

That is what we need to focus on.

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1/6/2012  8:50 AM
FU Landry???? C'mon people, he was a 2nd round pick and played well for most of last season. Sure, he's been struggling a bit this season but plenty of players are. Is he a starting 2? I don't think so but I beleive that he would be great at backing up Melo at the 3. The kid can play, he's just struggling a bit right now. Shunmp may start tonight at the 1 or 2 and once BD gets healed up both TD and Fields will be coming off the bench.

This team is going to be good and Fields will play better.

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1/6/2012  9:58 AM
rvwink wrote:Melo's style of play is not building chemistry. Selfish play with the rest of the team standing and watching is simply the wrong way for a team that wants to compete for the championship to play imo.

If the team is playinggb horrible you want your best players to take it upon themselves to drop as much points as possible. When the coach is yelling at guys to shoot it and guys are dribbling off their feet and passing the ball to the opponenetsnin their chest what do you want them to do?

So if i understand....the Knicks would have been better off without Melo? Aw man if only Melo wasn't here then Landry could shine as bright as the stars in the sky!

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1/6/2012  10:04 AM
Btw.....f.u. Landry hurt alot of you guys feelings. Stanford graduates? Fields family tree?

If i said "the official bench Landry fields thread" would we talk about something else. I feel you guys want to slap me just because I did that. Like you guys are really hurt by it.

If it makes anyone feel any better the f.u. stands for "feel up"....like Reggie Evans style. You are now free to walk about the country.

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1/6/2012  10:11 AM
No you don't understand. Melo has a strong desire to win, and has the potential to be a winning player. But he needs to change a lot more than he has already changed. He needs to grow up and become an unselfish passer. Until that happens, the Knicks are going to thrive.

I think you are judging Landry Fields, in a time period when Melo is frequently playing like its all about him and his shot. Its an inaccurate picture of Landry, because he is not getting the passes he needs to thrive. Once we get Melo playing right, then we can judge Landry Field's value more accurately imo.

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1/6/2012  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  10:22 AM
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"Btw.....f.u. Landry hurt alot of you guys feelings. Stanford graduates? Fields family tree?"

Nope EnySpree, just ordinary people who respect another person. F.U. is not a term that is thrown around and accepted lightly, as your negative response to "FU EnySpree" demonstrated. Telling someone F.U. is how fights start. Fights lead to wars. And so it goes. Don't think so? Go use F.U. on a stranger and get back to us on the results.

What, exactly, as Landry Fields done to deserve such a personal insult?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

It's only basketball.

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