raven wrote:

Even the suns who were the most logical destination for him since they still had a good iof not great team didn't, and preferred see him leave for nothing.

That also says a lot.

The suns have made awful decisions on letting great players go for next to nothing- remember Joe Johnson? All those draft picks they gave away over the years? It says less about Amar'e than it does about the ineptitude of the Suns owner trying to save a buck.

And what a great decision it's turned out for the Suns! Instead of spending the money on Amar'e and taking the risk with that whole extra year, they lost him for nothing and instead invested the money on Josh Childress, Channing Frye and Hakim Warrick. Ironically, the new cba gave them an amnesty provision so they could have just signed Amar'e, and then if his knee's broke down as they feared, they could have just amnestied him.

You still have to pay it. Not all Teams have Knicks cash flow to absorb a 20mil player and NO INSURANCE!

TheGame wrote:THe trade would be Amare, Chandler, Fields, and maybe TD or Shumpert for Howard and Turk. Orlando would consider that deal, as it gives them a star player and some youth. That deal would put us back another year, but we could move forward building around Howard and Melo, which is a solid foundation.

Orlando would have no consider a package like this. My version would be Stoudemire, Chandler, Fields, and Douglas for Howard, Turk, and Duhon. You would have to do it because Howard is probably the second most important player in the league, and the very most important when you consider position. That being said, unless a deal for a top player in the league comes around, I am committed to the core of Anthony, Stoudemire, and Chandler. They are good players who will figure it out. When the team is struggling, i will point to other areas, not them. Right now the PG position and overall depth are two major issues. You can't win a lot of games when Harrellson, Novak, and Walker are forced to play a lot of minutes and be relied on for offense. They are all solid players as 10th, 11th, and 12th men on the roster. We need a starting PG, backup SG/SF and backup big man before we can point fingers at Stoudemire, D'Antoni, or whomever.

loweyecue wrote:

raven wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

raven wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Amare has no trade value.

you cannot be serious

He may have 100 millions uninsured reasons to be serious.

You realize was second in MVP voting last year? Any team that still has the amnbesty can absolutely take a risk on him. It's noyt like he can't play, this is Amar'e Freaking Stoudamire

Yop, Amare freaking microsurgeried-one-eyed-stiffed-back Stoudemire.

Apart from us, nobody wanted to give him that contract. You should realize that.

And being a regular season MVP and breaking down come the playoffs is like being a cowboy good at shooting cans but sucking in duels: useless.

Everybody knows he is an injury risk and has a large contract. Throwing a bunch of adjectives to amplify that doesn't make a point. What I said was teams with amnesty clause available to them may take a risk on him thru trade. Amare still has the skills to dominate on offense. I don't think we can trade him for Dwight but to suggest he has no value is shortsighted. Bynum has had far more I jury issues yet he is constantly part of trade discussions for Dwight.

Sorry if my joke wasn't good, my goal was not to discredit a player that I really learned to love last year.

Few things though:

- Amare still has the skills to dominate on offense. I don't think we can trade him for Dwight but to suggest he has no value is shortsighted.
>>> He can dominate, for sure and he has value, but what we paid few teams could afford, especially since I believe a pig part of his contract is uninsured. This would be a life ending risk for a smaller franchise, and none of them would take that risk. Which also means because of that risk, what we could get from amare should be lower than how much we value him, cause other teams will make us pay for the risk they'd take
Once again, he's a tremendous talent, no question about it. but he also started to play pro at like 18 and got a lot of mileage on his body, and his game is still mostly based on athleticism.

What I said was teams with amnesty clause available to them may take a risk on him thru trade.

>>> That would change a lot of things, since I thought only players on your roster BEFORE the new CBA could be waived. My argument would be moot in that case.

Bynum has had far more I jury issues yet he is constantly part of trade discussions for Dwight.

Bynum is also a true center and the only one (when not injured) who can match Dwight's impact on the court.
I believe he had a 20-20 yesterday, and he lit the nuggets' pretty stacked frontline 2 days in a row. Make no mistakes, if no injury, Bynum would be a dominant force to reckon with.

Great power forwards are much easier to find.

No you were right, I had forgotten about the part that said players had to be under contract before the new CBA to qualify for amnesty. It takes the teeth out of my argument.

airchibundo507 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:
I have seen him take on John Wall in the summer league. Every team he was on, GSW and Houston, did not want to part with him but the numbers game got him. He is the only player in both instance without a guaranteed contract.

TD put the ball on the floor? He can't penetrate. He takes horrible shots. And what is this PnR game you speak off? He did it a couple of times last night and they were awkward both times. TD is a small SG. He is not a PG.

A summer league game? lol. And despite being such a valued commodity by GSW, he only played 30 games with under ten minutes a contest. SCRUB minutes.

TD can attack the basket. He's not great at finishing there, buy he has a nice floater he often uses. I'm not defending his shot selection. He might take tough shots, but when he is on, he makes them. He's the only pnr capable player besides Melo. He usually uses it to create offense for himself but that's better than nothing.

Again he doesn't need to be a point guard. He is instant offense. He is a streaky scorer that can create his own offense and get hot in a hurry. On top of that he plays really well off of Melo, with his ability to hit from deep and attack the basket. if you couldnt see the stark difference between our offense with Douglas in the game as opposed to Bibby, there's no hope for you.

The reason Lin got only a few minutes at GS is because GS wanted him to get PG experience playing at Reno instead of sitting on the bench behind Ellis and Curry, both of whom regularly played 40+ minutes a night (sometimes 48, no joke). In NBA matchups during the regular season, though rare, and in the preseason, Lin did just fine against both starters and second-stringers. The worst game of his entire pro career (I have watched almost all of his games) was in Sac against Thomas. If you have only seen him play those 3 minutes, I can understand why you would be down on him, but I have seen him play many more minutes against solid NBA players, and he more than holds his own, both offensively and defensively (though he was better on defense last year).