holfresh wrote:I think he is overvaluing Billup's role in this offense...Billups couldn't run the pick and roll...My call is right around 40 wins..But as they say, that's what makes a market....

fishmike wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

matt wrote:Hollinger has been and is a douche

Yet he's been dead on in his Knicks' predictions. People here should take a step back and try to learn from him instead of assuming they're right. 35-31 is probably pretty close to where most non-Knick fans would rank the team. I said 38 but that's probably colored by my rooting for the team.

2008-2009, he predicted 28-54, Knicks finished 32-50
2009-2010, he predicted 26-56, Knicks finished 29-53
2010-2011, he predicted 37-45, Knicks finished 42-40
2011-2012, he predicted 35-31, Knicks finished 40-26

So he is always close, but shorts us by about 3 or 4 wins every season.

he's not always close. He ALWAYS undershoots the Knicks. And were the 08-09 seasons that hard to predict? Hollinger adds nothing to this sport. Ive been saying that since he started a revolution with his PER #s. WOW... he comes up with this incredible formula to guage players and we learn that Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Dwight, etc etc are REALLY good. Thanks John! I will stick to watching the sport

crzymdups wrote:one thing that Hollinger doesn't really account for is that he says the bottom 5 records in the NBA should be in the East. uh, am I missing something? If the Knicks are playing in the East, with so many fewer games against the West because of the weird schedule, that means like 1 out of 4 games will be against a bottom 5 team in the East this season. that alone to me says that the Knicks record will be better than Hollinger thinks it will.

and I agree with nixluva - what did they lose with Billups leaving? dude missed like half the games he was here anyway. Assuming Baron can play in half the games, there's no drop off there. Billups may be durable overall, but in his time with the Knicks he did not seem to be. He was sidelined for a LOOONG time for two seemingly minor injuries. I was extremely worried about his durability here.

There just arent enough good teams for the Knicks to lose 30 games. I mean if Melo turns an ankle we still have Amare and Chandler up front. If Elton Brand turns an ankle Phili's best frontcourt player is Speights. Its just nuts. When I say the KNicks are deep I dont mean 1-10, I mean 1-4

How many teams have 3 guys who are top 3 players at their position?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Ira wrote:Billups wasn't much more than Bibby when he was with us last season. Neither can play d, neither can push the ball up and Billups ability to find the open man is extremely overrated. Chandler fits this team like a glove. We won't be great defensively, but we'll be much better in that respect than last season without losing much at pg.

???? I'd like to see Bibby average 18 PPG on 12 FGA. Billups passing and pushing the ball up court are mediocre though and I think he's best suited for the combo guard role. He got by fine as a PG in Detroit because he was faster and also Rip Hamilton was an excellent play-making SG. He's never been a pure PG but he doesn't need to be one to be effective.

When was Rip Hamilton a excellent play-making SG..didn't he mostly run off screens and take jumpers.

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Ira wrote:Billups wasn't much more than Bibby when he was with us last season. Neither can play d, neither can push the ball up and Billups ability to find the open man is extremely overrated. Chandler fits this team like a glove. We won't be great defensively, but we'll be much better in that respect than last season without losing much at pg.

???? I'd like to see Bibby average 18 PPG on 12 FGA. Billups passing and pushing the ball up court are mediocre though and I think he's best suited for the combo guard role. He got by fine as a PG in Detroit because he was faster and also Rip Hamilton was an excellent play-making SG. He's never been a pure PG but he doesn't need to be one to be effective.

When was Rip Hamilton a excellent play-making SG..didn't he mostly run off screens and take jumpers.

Rip is an excellent passer. He had 4 to 5 assists a game and moved the ball very well. You missed a lot if you thought all he did was hit jumpers.