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Allanfan20
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12/18/2011  4:22 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:If he is healthy we got to be favorites this year.
Seriously, think about this starting lineup:

Davis
Fields (good ball movement)
Melo
Stat
Chandler

There are 4 guys there who can be all stars potentially.
Our bench isn't too bad either now.

Again, IF he is healthy, this is HUGE news. And I think he is healthy. Bulging disks are not the same as ruptured. Lowering the stress can greatly help him and now, he should be pretty relaxed.

Somewhere in Miami a few guys are more than worried about their championship plans.
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Good move but it will suck if we have to wait a long time until his back heals. If it's OK though, then Douglas really improves our bench.

Please, for the love of God, stay away from Arenas.

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12/18/2011  4:22 PM
MSG3 wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Suh weet

Next move?

Pipe dreams: wilson chandler, kenyon martin, jr smith, reggie evans

Maybe: jason smith, ike diogu

Would like to see one more big added at some point this season to kepp the MTA fresh

Chinese team going to release Kenyon Martin, per Marc Stein.

KMart has made a lot of $ in his career. Hopefully he'd be willing to take a lot less to play here but some other team will probably offer him a lot more than we can and that'll be all she wrote.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/18/2011  4:26 PM
I think this is a great pick-up, but I'm not quite as pumped as everyone else. I think this is a real high upside move. He could be the missing piece for us if he plays up to his past level and accepts his role -- distributing the ball and keeping his shots to around 10/game. That's real high upside for what we're paying. I think, though there's a decent chance that he'll be a bust for us. Maybe he never gets healthy or just doesn't buy into his role and looks too much for his shot. I don't expect that, I just think it's a real possibility. Still, between him and Bibby, I expect one of them will win the starting job and have a real good year. If Davis is on his game, I like him more than Billups for this team.
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12/18/2011  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2011  4:28 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Suh weet

Next move?

Pipe dreams: wilson chandler, kenyon martin, jr smith, reggie evans

Maybe: jason smith, ike diogu

Would like to see one more big added at some point this season to kepp the MTA fresh

Chinese team going to release Kenyon Martin, per Marc Stein.

KMart has made a lot of $ in his career. Hopefully he'd be willing to take a lot less to play here but some other team will probably offer him a lot more than we can and that'll be all she wrote.

I don't know what Kmart could contribute at this point but I believe his attitude would be great for a team that hasn't had enough of one at times.

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12/18/2011  4:27 PM

Great signing. Essentially no risk. He's defeintly a legitimate starter at PG and a much better distributor than Crawford would be. He could share duties with either TD or Bibby. The only downside is that it might eat into Shump's minutes with Bibby here as well. It'll be essential for TD and Shump to play really hard while he's still out if they want to see PT further along in the year.
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12/18/2011  4:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2011  4:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7365817/baron-davis-new-york-knicks-agree-deal-sources-say

Baron Davis has committed to sign with the New York Knicks, according to sources close to the situation.

The deal could be formally completed as soon as Sunday, sources said.

Davis cleared waivers Friday after he was released through the amnesty clause in the new labor agreement by the Cleveland Cavaliers.

SI.com reported that Davis and the Knicks have agreed to a one-year deal worth $2.5 million, which is the maximum New York could pay in using what is known as the "mini" mid-level exception for luxury-tax teams.

But it remains to be seen how soon Davis will be able to play for the Knicks thanks to a back injury that the Cavaliers, upon releasing him, believed would sideline the former All-Star for eight to 10 weeks.


The Knicks, though, chased Davis aggressively despite the injury, desperate to upgrade their backcourt to support a frontcourt duo of Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire that was recently boosted the arrival of Tyson Chandler to be the Knicks' defensive anchor.

The team has penciled in Toney Douglas as its starting point guard and Mike Bibby as a backup. But with Douglas lacking experience and Bibby coming off of a subpar playoff run with the Miami Heat, the Knicks have been interested in bringing in Davis as another option at point guard.

Anthony was excited about adding a possibly healthy Davis.

"Everybody knows what he can do when he's healthy and when he's focused," he said, before news of the deal was announced. "I was here for two months last year and we played (the Cavaliers) quite a bit of time when I got here and he was healthy then. They beat us and he was a big part of those wins.

"When BD (Davis) is healthy, he's one of the best."

The Los Angeles Lakers and Heat also expressed strong interest in signing Davis, who was waived Wednesday night by the Cavs.

Teams with salary-cap space had the right to bid on Davis in the 48 hours before he cleared waivers but elected not to, presumably because of the back injury. The waiver auction for teams with cap space is the mechanism that allowed the Los Angeles Clippers to put in a winning blind bid of a little more than $2 million for Chauncey Billups after Billups was released by the Knicks via amnesty.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher, quoting one source close to the situation, reported Saturday that the initial diagnosis may have been too conservative and that Davis could be back in four to six weeks.

Sources say Davis, 32, always intended to make a decision well before he's physically able to play so he can familiarize himself with the team's playbook and personnel and settle into his new home.

ESPN.com reported in early November, furthermore, that Davis regards playing at Madison Square Garden on par with playing with the Lakers in terms of his lifelong dreams.

On Saturday, Bucher quoted the source saying: "Going to a team that really wants (Baron) is an important part of it."

Rougly $27 million of the nearly $30 million left on Davis' contract is guaranteed. The Cavs still have to pay Davis that money even after sending him away, but the new amnesty clause -- unlike the 2005 version -- give teams salary cap relief as well as tax relief on a player released via amnesty.

The immediate priority for Davis is getting healthy. The back injury has kept Davis off the floor since training camps opened last week and Davis' agent, Todd Ramasar, told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian Begley that "Baron is out a minimum of eight to 10 weeks if there's no setbacks in his physical therapy."

The Cavs weighed whether to keep Davis for one more season and try to play him alongside No. 1 overall pick Kyrie Irving. Cleveland coach Byron Scott, who had Davis in New Orleans, had also spoken optimistically of the idea that Irving and Davis could function well together in the same backcourt.

Yet the overriding sentiment within the organization calls for handing the keys of the franchise to Irving right away. With Ramon Sessions on the books in Cleveland for two more seasons at a cap-friendly salary and Daniel Gibson coming off his best season, letting Davis go now eases a potential backcourt logjam.

The recently re-signed Anthony Parker is also expected to play a lot of shooting guard for Cleveland to free up minutes at small forward for the newly acquired Omri Casspi.

Davis arrived in Cleveland in February in a trade-deadline deal for Mo Williams that was clinched by the Clippers' willingness to include their first overall pick in the June draft unprotected. That pick became Irving.

Davis averaged 13.1 points and 6.7 assists in 58 games for the Clippers and Cleveland last season.

"We would like to thank Baron for his contributions to the team during his time in Cleveland," Cavs general manager Chris Grant said in a statement Wednesday night. "He has been an absolute professional since the day he joined the Cavs and we now wish him the best in the future."

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12/18/2011  5:13 PM
IF HEALTHY is the biggest question next to
STAYING HEALTHY and BEING IN GOOD SHAPE

he does have a talent in penetration, getting of his shot, creating for others, and able to hit 3point threat *although known to take some bad shots, but doesn't live n die on em*
this pickup, will enhance Fields production on the offensive end.
Fields looks like he can be a decent spot up shooter, he just cant create for himself or really for others, at least that isn't his strengths.
He is a great cutter though, which is why, a player like Davis, being able to penetrate, finish, pull up, and pass, could really help.
This would be one of the strongest teams Davis will have and at least when younger, the uptempo style fitted him best with his days at GS.
While, I still don't think Fields is a good defender, especially vs good/great talent.

TD and Iman, would most likely be playing together, enhancing our 2nd unit. Iman is capable of penetrating and I think is better suited handing the ball, pushing the tempo, and making the decisions rather than TD. TD seems more comfortable using his energy and focus on playing defense and hitting 3s. For him to bring up the ball and focus on being a facilitator, he has a hard time finding his rhythm, and the focus should be redirected to his comfort level and strengths.

Iman is capable of playing SG if can continue making the open shots as he did yesterday. I still believe he will be the starting PG of the future but would be fit as a combo guard this year. While he defends the SG, with TD, and bringing up the ball while they are in together. Baron Davis and Bibby are both capable of bringing the ball efficiently, can push, and can pass, especially for alley hoops where Iman and others can finish. So it would be a luxury we have when any 2 guards in Bibby or Davis, with Shump at SG to have, where it depends on the position where everyone would be after the rebound. Sometimes, it would be Bibby/Diddy and sometimes it will be Shump.
I don't think TD is much a facilitator or passer, whereas our other 2 smaller PGs can. If Diddy signed for the 2.5 exemption, I would have preferred a 2 year team option.
If not I would happy to see where he stands at this year, possibly being a 1 year stoppage guard. Bibby looks like he can still play PG duties and still be a nice rotation player to have, judging from a weak Nets lineup/preseason game. I would have preferred to use the 2.5 exemption on a player where we can use it to keep him for 2 years.

Even with the acquisition of Davis, it would still help to have another high % 3 point shooter like Peja. It also makes a couple players expendable.
I hope, the hunger of a new contract, playoff championship contending team, and the highlight of playing in MSG will inspire Baron to treat his own body, both physically and mentally in NBA shape by 2 weeks of the trade deadline. We could be able to acquire more talent and decide what we need to enhance our options for this year and for our future.
We have a couple of nice players we can build a trade package build around some expendable players, especially to a rebuilding team.

1st round pick
TD
Fields
Balkman*if he continues to do well and hit 3's, play back good defense, and finish inside, is he an asset with a cheap price tag or a bad contract in a fluke*
Jordan/Jorts one could be expendable
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12/18/2011  5:21 PM
with fields TD and walker, who all shot in the 38-40% from 3 last year it's enough, especially if melo comes close to what he did last year for us.

the only question mark i see is that bdiddy tends to dominate the ball. sometimes it's magic but more and more lately a bad shot, usually a 3, is going up. with him and melo on the floor together i just hope they learn to move the ball more. if they do, i think we just became the best team in the league.

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12/18/2011  5:22 PM
Oh boy oh boy oh boy! We are gwine be goooood.
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12/18/2011  5:25 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:with fields TD and walker, who all shot in the 38-40% from 3 last year it's enough, especially if melo comes close to what he did last year for us.

the only question mark i see is that bdiddy tends to dominate the ball. sometimes it's magic but more and more lately a bad shot, usually a 3, is going up. with him and melo on the floor together i just hope they learn to move the ball more. if they do, i think we just became the best team in the league.

That's because he's been on crappy teams and he checks out when on one. NY is good and he's always played hard and well when given a chance to succeed.

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12/18/2011  5:44 PM
And a certain team down south is feelin da heat.
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12/18/2011  5:58 PM
What difference does it matter if he signs for the 1.4m veteran's minimum or the 2.5m exception? Ultimately the Cavs are responsible for the remainder, isn't that correct?
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12/18/2011  6:05 PM
One thing I don't understand. Cleveland is still paying his salary this year AND next year. So, why didn't we sign him for two years as next year it will be the same situation I thought.

I mean isn't there a rule with the Amnesty provision that says you can only make what your contract was worth total? Oh wait, that is only if he was claimed! He wasn't. So, next year he can go to the highest bidder? That would suck. Do we have any way of trying to retain him as I believe we will only be able to offer him 5 or 6 million???

LOL at your comment Holfresh! ehehe

Allanfan - even if we have to wait, we are getting a 14 million dollar guy (ok, he's not worth that much) for 2.5 million. That is pretty good in this monopoly money world.

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12/18/2011  6:07 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:One thing I don't understand. Cleveland is still paying his salary this year AND next year. So, why didn't we sign him for two years as next year it will be the same situation I thought.

I mean isn't there a rule with the Amnesty provision that says you can only make what your contract was worth total? Oh wait, that is only if he was claimed! He wasn't. So, next year he can go to the highest bidder? That would suck. Do we have any way of trying to retain him as I believe we will only be able to offer him 5 or 6 million???

LOL at your comment Holfresh! ehehe

Allanfan - even if we have to wait, we are getting a 14 million dollar guy (ok, he's not worth that much) for 2.5 million. That is pretty good in this monopoly money world.

He might have only wanted a one year contract.

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12/18/2011  6:28 PM
technomaster wrote:What difference does it matter if he signs for the 1.4m veteran's minimum or the 2.5m exception? Ultimately the Cavs are responsible for the remainder, isn't that correct?

I love the fact that we have gone from a team sending draft picks and over paying for a player like Eddy "McRib" Curry to getting a player like Davis for $2.5 MM while the Cavs pick up $30 MM of his contract. Granted it's only a 1 year deal and there are huge question marks - but this franchise has really changed the way it operates and you have to love that.

Is a healthy motivated Davis and Bibby > Billups? I guess that remains to be seen but I hope the answer is yes.

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12/18/2011  7:07 PM
Three Available NYK Uniform Numerals Baron Davis Would Look Sharp In

3 - vacated by Extra E, worn by Starks, Steph and Tracy McGrady

8 - vacated by Danilo Gallinari, worn by Ime Udoka, Walt Bellamy, Lonnie Shelton, Derrick Brown, Spree and Starks

11 - was being held for Jamal Crawford, worn by Harry Gallatin, Johnny Green, Jesse Dark, Bob McAdoo, Rod Stickland, Derek Harper and Rick Brunson.

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12/18/2011  7:11 PM
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12/18/2011  7:18 PM
technomaster wrote:What difference does it matter if he signs for the 1.4m veteran's minimum or the 2.5m exception? Ultimately the Cavs are responsible for the remainder, isn't that correct?

The difference is that New York could still use the 2.5 million dollar exception and sign Davis for the minimum because minimum salaries don't count against the cap.

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12/18/2011  7:30 PM
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BD with the Cavs:

man, you look at what he did for the Cavs... he's got more court vision than anyone the knicks have on their roster. and he's got style. NY will LOVE BDiddy. LOVE.

if he's healthy, or can get healthy, he's a guy i would rather have than Chauncey Billups (you can see him blow by Billups in a few of those clips with the Cavs).

so, to recap: Glen Grunwald basically traded Billups for TYSON CHANDLER AND BARON DAVIS. that's executive of the year type stuff. or at least he should be crowned the King of Amnesty.

i think the knicks are one of the top three in the East now - Bulls, Heat, Knicks. final order to be determined.

i'm thrilled with this move. i can pretty much guarantee BDiddy will win this team a major playoffs game or two this year with his shooting and passing.

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12/18/2011  7:45 PM
I am down with both moves. still have some nagging doubts about the amnesty. But he really did an excellent job in terms of getting value. Bill ups was also injury prone, and Tyson is so much more critical in terms of team make up.

Let's go Knicks!

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