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12/15/2011  7:48 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao

The people who are right about this franchise lack the unrealistic optimism that makes you popular on a fan message board. So be it.

I'm just saying I'm excited for the team. Of course I aknowledge the possibility of your scenarios. But why worry about it? If it happens, we will be f'ed, therefore, why linger on it?

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12/15/2011  8:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao

The people who are right about this franchise lack the unrealistic optimism that makes you popular on a fan message board. So be it.

thing is that when only one team out of thirty gets to be champ, it's really not hard to be right if all you say is that a team will fail. you're on a fan message board, the season hasn't started yet, people are excited for the team. it's not a shock that you are catching flack with your glum, no matter how realistic, prognostications. all you are pointing at is past performance and using that as an example of what will happen in the future. you're not some magical bball wizard with a crystal ball.

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12/15/2011  8:14 PM
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eViL wrote:we lived 10 years of the worst case scenario. do we really have to read about it before it happens?

Nah mean!


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12/15/2011  8:15 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao

The people who are right about this franchise lack the unrealistic optimism that makes you popular on a fan message board. So be it.

I'm just saying I'm excited for the team. Of course I aknowledge the possibility of your scenarios. But why worry about it? If it happens, we will be f'ed, therefore, why linger on it?


I still root for the team and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I can't fake optimism though. I think it's unlikely but I realize it's possible and it would be awesome if Carmelo changed his approach to offense. We're dependent on it happening.
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12/15/2011  8:23 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao

The people who are right about this franchise lack the unrealistic optimism that makes you popular on a fan message board. So be it.

thing is that when only one team out of thirty gets to be champ, it's really not hard to be right if all you say is that a team will fail. you're on a fan message board, the season hasn't started yet, people are excited for the team. it's not a shock that you are catching flack with your glum, no matter how realistic, prognostications. all you are pointing at is past performance and using that as an example of what will happen in the future. you're not some magical bball wizard with a crystal ball.


There's a wide range within your category of "not winning the championship." Your post would make sense if this team had had a lot of success but just missed several championships. It doesn't make sense given that we haven't won a playoff game in about a decade. We haven't failed in the sense that 29 out of 30 teams fail each year. We've failed in the sense that we've ranged from out right terrible to mediocre each year.

You don't need magical insights to realize that past performance is the best predictor of future performance and I never claimed to be a magician. Just a bitter fan who wishes we could legitimately rebuild the franchise.

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12/15/2011  8:36 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:You don't need magical insights to realize that past performance is the best predictor of future performance and I never claimed to be a magician. Just a bitter fan who wishes we could legitimately rebuild the franchise.

that's interesting. i'd love for you to point to an example of a legitimately rebuilt franchise. whose blueprint should we follow?

and i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying that right now, more than any time since Ultimateknicks.com existed, there is a reason to be HYPED. don't be that guy. even islesfan was feeling the Chandler signing.

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12/15/2011  8:41 PM
GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!

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12/15/2011  8:48 PM
I just know that the eastern conference is as wide open as it was in 1999..
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12/15/2011  8:51 PM
EnySpree wrote:Ever teams success has to do with health and luck....in other words **** this guy

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12/15/2011  9:19 PM
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.
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12/15/2011  10:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.

As important as it is for Melo to look for his teammates more, it's only a part of the overall offensive attack that the team will have. Everything doesn't rest with only Melo. I think you assume that we won't get ANY PG play from TD, but that may be a bit extreme. We still also have Bibby and Iman everyone will need to be a distributor in this offense. There will be more than just throw it to Melo as an offense. That being said, what are we asking Melo to do? He's simply got to take a second to let the play develop as his teammates run the set and keep his eye on what the defense does, then either make the pass or continue on. Now i'm assuming that he and his teammates are actually doing this in practice right now. I think the coaches and his teammates will make it known if he's not executing the play when it's there. Can it fail? Of course. But it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

Besides which the improvement in Defense should help to create more easy offense and to limit the need for as much scoring as we had to have in the past just to compete. It's really about effort. This group knows what is at stake for them. I think they realize that they have a team capable of getting to the ECF's of they give it their all and play as a team. There will be some down performances no doubt, but overall this team should have a very good season.

Simple question to ask is, is this team better than it was last year and the year before that? YES!!!

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12/15/2011  10:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.

As important as it is for Melo to look for his teammates more, it's only a part of the overall offensive attack that the team will have. Everything doesn't rest with only Melo. I think you assume that we won't get ANY PG play from TD, but that may be a bit extreme. We still also have Bibby and Iman everyone will need to be a distributor in this offense. There will be more than just throw it to Melo as an offense. That being said, what are we asking Melo to do? He's simply got to take a second to let the play develop as his teammates run the set and keep his eye on what the defense does, then either make the pass or continue on. Now i'm assuming that he and his teammates are actually doing this in practice right now. I think the coaches and his teammates will make it known if he's not executing the play when it's there. Can it fail? Of course. But it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

Besides which the improvement in Defense should help to create more easy offense and to limit the need for as much scoring as we had to have in the past just to compete. It's really about effort. This group knows what is at stake for them. I think they realize that they have a team capable of getting to the ECF's of they give it their all and play as a team. There will be some down performances no doubt, but overall this team should have a very good season.

Simple question to ask is, is this team better than it was last year and the year before that? YES!!!

I see this team stuggling without a true pg....I have seen what a mess this team is without good pg play. Theres no hiding that fact , and MDA knows it or he wouldnt be considering a broken back aging pg...you think if felt was still here he would be talking about the offense running thru melo

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12/15/2011  11:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.

As important as it is for Melo to look for his teammates more, it's only a part of the overall offensive attack that the team will have. Everything doesn't rest with only Melo. I think you assume that we won't get ANY PG play from TD, but that may be a bit extreme. We still also have Bibby and Iman everyone will need to be a distributor in this offense. There will be more than just throw it to Melo as an offense. That being said, what are we asking Melo to do? He's simply got to take a second to let the play develop as his teammates run the set and keep his eye on what the defense does, then either make the pass or continue on. Now i'm assuming that he and his teammates are actually doing this in practice right now. I think the coaches and his teammates will make it known if he's not executing the play when it's there. Can it fail? Of course. But it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

Besides which the improvement in Defense should help to create more easy offense and to limit the need for as much scoring as we had to have in the past just to compete. It's really about effort. This group knows what is at stake for them. I think they realize that they have a team capable of getting to the ECF's of they give it their all and play as a team. There will be some down performances no doubt, but overall this team should have a very good season.

Simple question to ask is, is this team better than it was last year and the year before that? YES!!!

I see this team stuggling without a true pg....I have seen what a mess this team is without good pg play. Theres no hiding that fact , and MDA knows it or he wouldnt be considering a broken back aging pg...you think if felt was still here he would be talking about the offense running thru melo

Actually MDA mentioned wanting to do this last year! There were many of us who suggested that the Knicks needed to run more PnR between STAT and Melo. It's not really a bad concept given that Melo tends the want to hold the ball anyway. By actually integrating this into the offense, it creates more of a flow to the offense rather than having everyone tentatively standing around watching Melo. Now they'll be moving in concert with Melo's possession of the ball. Picks, Curls, Rubs, Cuts to the basket. All of these options will be available and Melo can pick the defense apart as they don't know whether to give help or not. It should make Melo more efficient.

As for the other guards. They'll still get their assists and be part of the offense. We'll still have PnR with Amar'e and Tyson.

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12/15/2011  11:53 PM

So Bonnie, what use saying is......

The offense going thru Melo is like:

Mike Tyson judging a beauty contest?

Eddy working at Costco giving out food samples?

Isiah working in the Human Resources department?

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12/16/2011  12:38 AM
this thread and the article which started it suck. If key guys get hurt, thats a discussion to have at that time. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to mitigate the effects of Melo or Stat, or Chandler going down, there is no one of their caliber waiting in the wings. If it happens we'll have to deal with it.
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12/16/2011  1:35 AM
Killa4luv wrote:this thread and the article which started it suck. If key guys get hurt, thats a discussion to have at that time. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to mitigate the effects of Melo or Stat, or Chandler going down, there is no one of their caliber waiting in the wings. If it happens we'll have to deal with it.

What's crazy to me is that there seems to be this notion that we could've built a better team somehow. Given the limited elite level players that exist in the NBA it's a good thing when you can honestly say you have 3 of those kinds of players. The miracle that we were able to actually sign Tyson Chandler who was one of the best Centers available in this FA market should be appreciated and not picked at. What was the one thing that 99% of Knicks fans and media said this team needed even more than a PG? A legit Center to anchor this team. We got the best one not named Dwight Howard.

We also have 2 of the top scorers in the league... PERIOD! Clearly we don't have a premier level PG, but we don't have scrubs either. You can't have everything in an instant. This is a great start and puts the team closer to contention. The Bulls and Heat have issues too. We just have to see if this team can overcome its own shortcomings to advance to the ECF's.

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12/16/2011  2:05 AM
I agree, even though, we got ripped off from the Melo trade, in the end it worked out for us.
A player like AK47 would provide a lot of relief from ATM or MTA...
He can come in play all 3 positions, in majority of the teams...

Chandler was brought in here to relieve some of Amare's problems alone. So he wouldn't have to face injury, guarding 7foot 300 pounds by putting a body on them.
As a team and whole, he has a whole lot to offer.

I think Hunter and Green are going to come out and contribute right away.
I don't know if TD, can come and be the pick and roll PG that Dantoni needs for SSOL.
I think in time, Iman, will be called upon and will be capable to do it.
However, it will range from halfway season, to end of year, and probably will greatly improve by next year.

Melo believes we could use some shooters to spread the floor, Dantoni says he believes he has some shooters in

Melo
Amare
Fields
TD
Bibby
Iman

I agree with Melo, I think we could use Peja, especially when JJ's man is cheating.
Regardless with our size and lineups, someone will cheat.
We will have to show we can hit the wide open shots.

Walker seems to be nursing a groin injury as well.
Anyone know if Green can shoot from behind the arc?
He looks like a Chandler/Derrick Brown to me.

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12/16/2011  7:32 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.

As important as it is for Melo to look for his teammates more, it's only a part of the overall offensive attack that the team will have. Everything doesn't rest with only Melo. I think you assume that we won't get ANY PG play from TD, but that may be a bit extreme. We still also have Bibby and Iman everyone will need to be a distributor in this offense. There will be more than just throw it to Melo as an offense. That being said, what are we asking Melo to do? He's simply got to take a second to let the play develop as his teammates run the set and keep his eye on what the defense does, then either make the pass or continue on. Now i'm assuming that he and his teammates are actually doing this in practice right now. I think the coaches and his teammates will make it known if he's not executing the play when it's there. Can it fail? Of course. But it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

Besides which the improvement in Defense should help to create more easy offense and to limit the need for as much scoring as we had to have in the past just to compete. It's really about effort. This group knows what is at stake for them. I think they realize that they have a team capable of getting to the ECF's of they give it their all and play as a team. There will be some down performances no doubt, but overall this team should have a very good season.

Simple question to ask is, is this team better than it was last year and the year before that? YES!!!

I see this team stuggling without a true pg....I have seen what a mess this team is without good pg play. Theres no hiding that fact , and MDA knows it or he wouldnt be considering a broken back aging pg...you think if felt was still here he would be talking about the offense running thru melo


I guess you didn't get the memo about expressing only optimism and excitement over our team.
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12/16/2011  10:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:GEEZ BONN we just finished putting together this new core! You wanna give it a chance 1st? What does last years team have to do with this one? We've got quite a few changes so past isn't relevant. This team isn't perfect but then what team in the NBA is perfect right now? Is Miami a perfect team from a purest stand point say like the Magic Lakers? We haven't even filled the roster yet.

You honestly can't be excited about this team? I don't follow why you would feel that way. We finally have closers and finally a legit Center. This team is literally a player away from having it all. The hardest parts to find are already here!!!


We need Carmelo to change his game. There's a higher than a zero percent chance of that. So there's something to be excited about. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and I'll get excited during the season.

As important as it is for Melo to look for his teammates more, it's only a part of the overall offensive attack that the team will have. Everything doesn't rest with only Melo. I think you assume that we won't get ANY PG play from TD, but that may be a bit extreme. We still also have Bibby and Iman everyone will need to be a distributor in this offense. There will be more than just throw it to Melo as an offense. That being said, what are we asking Melo to do? He's simply got to take a second to let the play develop as his teammates run the set and keep his eye on what the defense does, then either make the pass or continue on. Now i'm assuming that he and his teammates are actually doing this in practice right now. I think the coaches and his teammates will make it known if he's not executing the play when it's there. Can it fail? Of course. But it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

Besides which the improvement in Defense should help to create more easy offense and to limit the need for as much scoring as we had to have in the past just to compete. It's really about effort. This group knows what is at stake for them. I think they realize that they have a team capable of getting to the ECF's of they give it their all and play as a team. There will be some down performances no doubt, but overall this team should have a very good season.

Simple question to ask is, is this team better than it was last year and the year before that? YES!!!

I see this team stuggling without a true pg....I have seen what a mess this team is without good pg play. Theres no hiding that fact , and MDA knows it or he wouldnt be considering a broken back aging pg...you think if felt was still here he would be talking about the offense running thru melo


I guess you didn't get the memo about expressing only optimism and excitement over our team.


I guess the old saying "prey for the best prepare for the worst"
Kinda fits the scenario..
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12/16/2011  11:04 AM
Killa4luv wrote:this thread and the article which started it suck. If key guys get hurt, thats a discussion to have at that time. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to mitigate the effects of Melo or Stat, or Chandler going down, there is no one of their caliber waiting in the wings. If it happens we'll have to deal with it.

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