AnubisADL wrote:Uh. I think some are forgetting this is the same deal offered by the Clippers on Monday. The Hornets wanted Bledsoe too.

So the Clips got a STEAL.

Jordan
Griffin
Butler
Billups/Williams
Paul

Sick Lineup.

VCoug wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Hornets made out very well but Clippers gave up Gordon so I don't know if they will be much better than they were last year.

I think it's kind of like the Melo trade. As is it's a good trade for NYK/LAC, but if they had held to their guns they probably might have been able to hold back a piece (Gallo/Gordon) and made it a truly great trade.

BigDaddyG wrote:Gordon is a very good, young player who is going to get better. Aminu didn't impress me at Wake Forest or in his first year in the League, but he's young and he's got a lot of potential. Kaman is a good center. I like this trade for the Hornets.

Not to mention the unprotected first rounder from Minny, conceivably the best part of that trade.

CrushAlot wrote:Loser: NBA Commissioner David Stern

Stern’s NBA career is winding down and this will wind up being far more than a footnote on his legacy, given the many, many implications of his handling of the trade as overseer of the league-owned Hornets. The conflict of interest is too great and the harm done to the losers, as laid above, is irreversible. Everyone’s glad this sage is over but the ill effects will be felt for years.

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/22748484?fb_xd_fragment#?=&cb=f18975bf41fc37e&relation=parent&transport=fragment&frame=f625530e18f801&error=unknown_user

I suppose its fuel for Stern Haters to digest and keep it going.

Stern accomplished what he wanted which was to protect the ownership of league and make sure not one team gets screwed.

The Deal with the lakers was not on par with Melodrama or the Deron Trade with Utah.

In the end Paul got what he wanted as did the Hornets.

The winners and losers of the trade won't be apparent for a few years.

This was a win-win trade. At some point one side will be in favor.

If the Clippers can make it to the Conf. finals it will finally put them on the map.

IN a few months nobody will care about Stern or the "ill effects"! What great literary drama!

Is there any Commish in any major sport that is actually liked by the fans? NONE!

They work for the owners, thats why!

Why should Stern be any different?

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Hornets made out very well but Clippers gave up Gordon so I don't know if they will be much better than they were last year.

I think it's kind of like the Melo trade. As is it's a good trade for NYK/LAC, but if they had held to their guns they probably might have been able to hold back a piece (Gallo/Gordon) and made it a truly great trade.

They got a player without any major flaws to his game, though. We got an awesome talent who needs to take better shots and commit fewer turnovers than he has in his 8 year career.

His game might be flawless, but he has a knee injury he hasn't fully recovered from.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say he hasn't fully recovered. But I do realize he's a health risk. I don't think he's a bigger health risk than Amare is though.

I think so. We've seen Amare play at an All-NBA level since his injury; we haven't seen the same from Paul. Last year, Paul coasted most of the regular season and turned it on in the playoffs. Until he shows that he can go a full season like he could before the injury, he's definitely a bigger risk.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Hornets made out very well but Clippers gave up Gordon so I don't know if they will be much better than they were last year.

I think it's kind of like the Melo trade. As is it's a good trade for NYK/LAC, but if they had held to their guns they probably might have been able to hold back a piece (Gallo/Gordon) and made it a truly great trade.

They got a player without any major flaws to his game, though. We got an awesome talent who needs to take better shots and commit fewer turnovers than he has in his 8 year career.

His game might be flawless, but he has a knee injury he hasn't fully recovered from.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say he hasn't fully recovered. But I do realize he's a health risk. I don't think he's a bigger health risk than Amare is though.

I think so. We've seen Amare play at an All-NBA level since his injury; we haven't seen the same from Paul. Last year, Paul coasted most of the regular season and turned it on in the playoffs. Until he shows that he can go a full season like he could before the injury, he's definitely a bigger risk.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Hornets made out very well but Clippers gave up Gordon so I don't know if they will be much better than they were last year.

I think it's kind of like the Melo trade. As is it's a good trade for NYK/LAC, but if they had held to their guns they probably might have been able to hold back a piece (Gallo/Gordon) and made it a truly great trade.

They got a player without any major flaws to his game, though. We got an awesome talent who needs to take better shots and commit fewer turnovers than he has in his 8 year career.

His game might be flawless, but he has a knee injury he hasn't fully recovered from.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say he hasn't fully recovered. But I do realize he's a health risk. I don't think he's a bigger health risk than Amare is though.

I think so. We've seen Amare play at an All-NBA level since his injury; we haven't seen the same from Paul. Last year, Paul coasted most of the regular season and turned it on in the playoffs. Until he shows that he can go a full season like he could before the injury, he's definitely a bigger risk.

Paul was awesome last year. Don't let the fact that his points were lower due to fewer FGAs deceive you. Although most fans place much more focus on PPG than scoring efficiency, analyses are clear that the latter is much more important. Paul led the league in assist turnover ratio and had an excellent true shooting percentage. Most comprehensive stat analyses placed him in the top 2 or 3 in the league last year (WAY ahead of Amare).
Amare in contrast played great for half a season and then fell apart. Right now, it's less convincing that Amare than Paul can last a full season.

He was very good last year, but he definitely wasn't the same guy as before the injury. Before the injury he was MVP caliber and one of the 3 best players in the league. After the injury he hasn't been able to go all out like he used to and has to save himself for big games and playoffs. Of course, Chris Paul at 75%-80% is still probably a top 10-15 player in the league.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Hornets made out very well but Clippers gave up Gordon so I don't know if they will be much better than they were last year.

I think it's kind of like the Melo trade. As is it's a good trade for NYK/LAC, but if they had held to their guns they probably might have been able to hold back a piece (Gallo/Gordon) and made it a truly great trade.

They got a player without any major flaws to his game, though. We got an awesome talent who needs to take better shots and commit fewer turnovers than he has in his 8 year career.

His game might be flawless, but he has a knee injury he hasn't fully recovered from.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say he hasn't fully recovered. But I do realize he's a health risk. I don't think he's a bigger health risk than Amare is though.

I think so. We've seen Amare play at an All-NBA level since his injury; we haven't seen the same from Paul. Last year, Paul coasted most of the regular season and turned it on in the playoffs. Until he shows that he can go a full season like he could before the injury, he's definitely a bigger risk.

Paul was awesome last year. Don't let the fact that his points were lower due to fewer FGAs deceive you. Although most fans place much more focus on PPG than scoring efficiency, analyses are clear that the latter is much more important. Paul led the league in assist turnover ratio and had an excellent true shooting percentage. Most comprehensive stat analyses placed him in the top 2 or 3 in the league last year (WAY ahead of Amare).
Amare in contrast played great for half a season and then fell apart. Right now, it's less convincing that Amare than Paul can last a full season.

He was very good last year, but he definitely wasn't the same guy as before the injury. Before the injury he was MVP caliber and one of the 3 best players in the league. After the injury he hasn't been able to go all out like he used to and has to save himself for big games and playoffs. Of course, Chris Paul at 75%-80% is still probably a top 10-15 player in the league.

He was after the injury too. Fans just pay too much attention to PPG.

I'm not talking about his PPG, I'm talking about watching him play and seeing he's not the same player he was pre-injury, at least not on an everyday basis. The way he played in the playoffs was not how he played in the regular season. He was still great in the regular season, but he didn't push the ball like he used, he didn't make cuts like he used to, and he didn't defend like he used to. Maybe he gets it back, maybe he doesn't. His type of injury is one that usually takes two years to recover from. But, I also remember reading that the surgery he had wasn't the best for his long-term health, but was a way to bring him back sooner.