CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Rookie wrote:NYY1NYK2 wrote:deal is dead, and so is this thread
"Ken Berger - A person in contact with executives involved says league office is trying to revive Chris Paul-to-Clippers talks"
what a freaking nightmare this whole thing is
Interesting that the league didn't try to revive talks with the Lakers and Rockets. The players should look into the collusion aspect of Stern's initial move.
why? The Lakers don't have picks or young players to trade, and that's what NOH want.
That is what the league wanted. It might be what perspective new ownership wanted but I have not heard anything definitive on that. The deal was more than fair. I guess the argument that Stern is actually running the team would make the voided trade ok. However, it is also why guys want to leave and don't want to go there. I just read an interview with David West where it is apparent that Paul is gone after this year if he isn't traded.
Odom - 33years old coming up, 2years 16m *player option on summer*
Kevin Martin - 29years old coming up feb- 2years 25m
Scola, - 31year old 32 in April, 4years 40m
Dragic - 26 years old 1year left 2m,
1 first round pick, and its the Knick's pick.....
Okay, from a talent point of view, these players are pretty good, essentially 4 for 1, for Cp3.
However, these guy's aren't the ones you want to rebuild a team on.
This team, isn't bad at all, it can make a playoff run its ceiling would be close to the production of Denver last year.
However, its also possible that they can fall just short to the 8th seed as well.
Ok4
Skola
Odom
Ariza
Jack/Dragic
Lakers
Thunder
Grizzlies
Dallas
Clippers
Portland
San Antonio
with
GS
Utah
Kings
Wolves - they have some young talent there, if they can work it out together, they can be quite deadly too...
Phoenix
Houston *they will get Gasol and another FA if assuming, Cp3 makes it to Lakers*
New Orleans fight for the last spot
Now with an unhappy Odom, * could leave for nothing*
Martin 2 year deal, do you have to overpay to keep him
Ok4 is an undersized center
and they don't receive any real young players *dragic only*
and 1 pick *new york* what is that really worth at that point
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New Orleans should look for someone to take Ok4's contract, young players, and draft picks.
With the Clippers trade, they are willing to part with
2 draft picks, 1 being Wolves unprotected pick or Eric Gordon *according to rumors* and the other Clippers pick
Kaman - he is still a legit center compared to undersized Ok4, is at very least an expiring for Ok4
whether he is a downgrade or upgrade can be argued vs Ok4, but he is at least an expiring with time to consider for a sign and trade for value in deadline.
Bledsoe 4years left on contract - he is a young intriguing PG/Combo guard. Last year showed some signs, with strength, B+ athleticism + quickness, and defense.
he isn't expected to be an all star but he has room to improve
Aminu 4years left on rookie contract, 3rd year team option, 4 year QO. SF
other asset's
Randy Roye - Combo PG
Mo Williams - 2years 17million with 2nd year next year being a player option
Clippers claimed Billups, they probably only need to keep 1 PG in the rotation, with Cp3 + Billups, Randy Foye would be able to play G positions
Eric Gordon - if he is included in the trade, LA need's Jack or Ariza to return in the deal.
also have a couple of expiring players
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this year New Orleans can have at least
2 possibly high draft picks, 1 is their own, if they trade with Clippers, they will have a good % to have a very high draft pick
the other one is Wolves, they have talent but they had talent last year as well, their pick could be from high lottery to low
but if they trade for Eric Gordon instead, will Gordan be happy and resign with NO? and does he help the New Orleans win more games, meaning less ping pong balls for high draft pick
other things to consider
Ariza - 3years 23m, with player option for his last year
Jarret Jack - 2 years 11million
these guys are nice players to have for a contender with good/decent contract for their production
they can consider keeping them or sending them out this year at deadline so they can tank and get more draft picks
If they draft right, this summer, they have little salary on books and can look to form 2-3 stars to join together with their draft picks
This is suppose to be a strong draft this summer, they can follow in Thunder's rebuilding plan and if they draft correctly, will have more younger players under contract for years to come and build around with Cap Room. Trading with Lakers, they get 30 year old players, that can leave them for nothing or not good value in return, also being near capped out...
It's a no brainer for New Orlean's if they want to rebuild through the draft that Clipper's can offer vs Lakers
La Clippers, adding Cp3, would greatly benefit Blake Griffen and Deandre Jordan's games, with the rest of the team.
While Cp3 and Eric Gordon would be small, but Gordon, has shown he is capable of playing SG and is a great shooter to go with Billups.
Mo Williams, has a great shot, but isn't a facilitator that Cp3, is. Their size, would also be an issue together.
The Clippers and New Orleans are ideal trading partners and Clippers know that. They don't need Cp3 to their squad but would bring them to another level.
New Orleans cant take the risk of Cp3 leaving for nothing, they just want to see what their best deal is, pushing the Clippers.
Sterning isn't Dolan, he is cheap, but he know's this is his opportunity he has been waiting for to finally outshine the Laker's and being a Championship caliber team
with
Cp3
Gordon
Butler
Blake Griffen
Deandre Jordan
Ok4
Foye
Billups
Gomes
and still have possibly some cap room in the summer because Griffen is in his rookie contract.
Eric Gordon with at least a qualifying offer of 5m, they can wait a year b4 they extend him, next year.
In the end, Clipper's can offer him the most money, however, it would be a risk to take to let him walk.
He probably would sign a cheaper extension earlier, however, they have the ability to surround the Clippers with talent in the summer.
There are a lot of big FA's this summer, Gordon knows this is a big year for him.
He could be part of Clipper's future, depending on how he performs this year with a a contending team.
Basically, trading with New Orleans and Clippers, they greatly benefit each other.
Being able to rebuild through ,at fastest, 1 year if drafting right, and trying to unload the rest of their assets for draft picks with Ariza and Jack.
Of course it still depends if they can sign some FA's to surround this talent with they will draft this summer.
Clippers would also have a young and strong core, being competitors for the Finals in the next decade....
12/12/2011 4:01 PM