RonRon wrote:

loweyecue wrote:What Paul has to do on order for this to work is renounce his bird rights, take less money and make it simple to NO. It's NY or bust. Chances of him doing all that? I would put it at 20% - I don't think it happens but not completely outside the realm of possibility. Paul will have to convince himself those Mike deals are worth it.

you mean the same thing that Melo could have done? He's following the same exact steps as Melo and I DONT NEED ANOTHER YEAR OF THAT. If you want to go to NY, announce it, don't tell your friend to say that then say you have your heart in NO and repeat Melo drama. Don't say, you care what NO gets back in return, cause YOU DONT! HE CARES ABOUT HIS MAX SALARY and that's what all this drama is about.....

Going to New York, getting more endorsements, and getting max salary! I don't need that crap! I would take the trade back for sure and target Tyson Chandler. The reason no one wants to come to New York is because they don't want to be screwed like how Felton got screwed... Who are we attracting with Melo and Amare? NO ONE! Same thing every FA year, players using the Knick's as leverage to get better deals.

Dude,I think Paul would like his max salary AND the endorsements in NYC not either or.

loweyecue wrote:What Paul has to do on order for this to work is renounce his bird rights, take less money and make it simple to NO. It's NY or bust. Chances of him doing all that? I would put it at 20% - I don't think it happens but not completely outside the realm of possibility. Paul will have to convince himself those Mike deals are worth it.

I'm in this boat, this it's a tad higher than 20%, but that don't make no difference really.

I am so-so on CP3. I want to see Shump take off and be a Fields surprise of his own but with higher ceiling. Than I'd like to see the Knicks go after bigs.

loweyecue wrote:Come to think of it, if Tyson Chandler is willing to come here that's what we need to focus on. I am not sold on wasting a chance like that for another gimpy kneed starphuch. Just my two cents. If Paul announces he will ONLY come here then we try to make it work with NO, otherwise we need to go after talent we can use instead of another year of SSDD.

That is exactly what we don't do. You don't get Chris Paul for the regular season. You get Chris Paul for the playoffs. Stars step it up in the playoffs while players like Mo Williams shrivel up like a raisin.

Chris Paul is proven in the playoffs. If you can get him you do. He will also allow for easier scoring opportunities for Melo and Amare. That is important when the game slows down in the playoffs just ask the Thunder.

AnubisADL wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Come to think of it, if Tyson Chandler is willing to come here that's what we need to focus on. I am not sold on wasting a chance like that for another gimpy kneed starphuch. Just my two cents. If Paul announces he will ONLY come here then we try to make it work with NO, otherwise we need to go after talent we can use instead of another year of SSDD.

That is exactly what we don't do. You don't get Chris Paul for the regular season. You get Chris Paul for the playoffs. Stars step it up in the playoffs while players like Mo Williams shrivel up like a raisin.

Chris Paul is proven in the playoffs. If you can get him you do. He will also allow for easier scoring opportunities for Melo and Amare. That is important when the game slows down in the playoffs just ask the Thunder.

If CP3 doesn't issue an ultimatum it means he will accept other trades to ensure getting the max, in which case he won't be there in the off season. Just the same as Melo.

nyk4ever wrote:lol, iman is untouchable? we are talking about CHRIS PAUL here. cmon guys.

So what? The Knicks don't have to send every single player we have to the Hornets to get a deal done. The Knicks didn't send Fields last year and they don't have to send Iman this year! Billups, Fields, TD, 2017 pick, $3mil cash and maybe even the rights to Jordan or another future pick is enough. They don't have to give them Iman as well.

Nalod wrote:It all depends on the reality of Paul going free agent and all the implications that go along with it. One of which NOLA gets noting in return, or that Paul asks for a trade with a list of teams he would accept along with his "Melo" type extension.

good point.. the sad thing is that the fans of New Orleans are losing a guy they really like, and he likes them.. Not sure if this is what I want to see in the NBA.... guys wanting to come play with their friends.. form super teams, as smaller markets get trampled on.... Not a good look for the NBA...

MSG3 wrote:The best thing that can happen is if CP3 is traded soon. Before the season. If he comes here, fine. If he doesn't, we have to make a move on a big man and fill out the roster.

If this hangs over the team all season it'll be trouble. There is no better chance than now to get a solid starting NBA center.

The good thing is that because of the lockout, once we sign Iman it means he can't be traded all season (I think- a player can't be traded for 6 months after signing a contract?), so essentially as soon as we sign the rookie, we won't have to worry about trade rumors for CP3 for the rest of the season.

What kills our chances is that our best trade for him is probably still worse than what another team would offer him without a guarantee he would re-sign with them. That's problematic as I think CP3 is the kind of player who if he then started winning with his new team, he would probably re-sign with them. Our only chance is if he's traded to the Celtics as there's no way he'd stay with them once KG and Ray Allen have gone.

Really, we should just get back to focusing on our team as it is. Landry Fields and Tony Douglas have bulked up (muscle not fat), Melo seems to be in better shape this season, we have the new guys Iman and Jorts- if we add a PF/C this offseason, hopefully we'll take a step forward.

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:It all depends on the reality of Paul going free agent and all the implications that go along with it. One of which NOLA gets noting in return, or that Paul asks for a trade with a list of teams he would accept along with his "Melo" type extension.

good point.. the sad thing is that the fans of New Orleans are losing a guy they really like, and he likes them.. Not sure if this is what I want to see in the NBA.... guys wanting to come play with their friends.. form super teams, as smaller markets get trampled on.... Not a good look for the NBA...

man, if you manage any people they must have a real hard time getting out of bed in the morning

employees should be allowed to work where they want to work within the constraints of the system. In this case, they should be limited by the brand, knowing that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade are good for team brands and the NBA brand. That should be encouraged and incentivized. But come on, the players are not property and if they want to sacrifice to accomodate their lifestyle, so be it

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:It all depends on the reality of Paul going free agent and all the implications that go along with it. One of which NOLA gets noting in return, or that Paul asks for a trade with a list of teams he would accept along with his "Melo" type extension.

good point.. the sad thing is that the fans of New Orleans are losing a guy they really like, and he likes them.. Not sure if this is what I want to see in the NBA.... guys wanting to come play with their friends.. form super teams, as smaller markets get trampled on.... Not a good look for the NBA...

man, if you manage any people they must have a real hard time getting out of bed in the morning

employees should be allowed to work where they want to work within the constraints of the system. In this case, they should be limited by the brand, knowing that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki and Dwyane Wade are good for team brands and the NBA brand. That should be encouraged and incentivized. But come on, the players are not property and if they want to sacrifice to accomodate their lifestyle, so be it

I have no problem with a player taking a pay cut to move to another city.

I have a problem when they drag a franchise thru uncertainty and it affects the level of play and the fan base who support the team and its financial structure.

Melo got what he wanted, and knicks got a major draw to sell tickets to the causual fans.

More serious fan understand as good as he is, the team is not a contender because it lacks depth and a center.

Shump is a rookie and is an unknown commodity. If he is "westbrook" as so many hope for, it takes a season or two for that to happen.

I applaud NOLA for being assertive and not waiting to drag it out closer to the trade deadline. If they can get a young roster together that shows upside they can survive the season.

Lets not forget, Memphis sucked for 10 years until the got "Smart", and it was the Pau trade that gave them the flex to move pieces around, and OK was a celler dweller in Seattle for a few years before it got "Smart". Spurs got lucky and had an owner who had the money to care more about winning than the counting his losses.