STATMELO wrote:Felton no longer on the team, Wilson Chandler playing in China, Mozgov buried on the bench. Only thing Denver really got out the deal was Gallinari and draft picks. If we could have just did the trade proposed at first we could have traded Felton, Anthony Randolph, Toney Douglas or Landry Fields, draft picks to NO and landed Paul to form the big three.

It doesn't matter about what happened after the trade. The bottom line is we traded players of value in that trade and we traded all our players of value.

I guess Fields can get you a decent return but everyone else isn't considered an asset by any team.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Pretty sure Melo stated he would have taken the extension from the Nets.

then you sign Tyson Chandler or Nene, put a bigman next to Amare with your cap space and have Gallo, Mos, Felton, picks etc etc to work on a trade for CP3. Thats a better team anyway. As I said when the trade went down refusing to overpay and losing him would have been just fine. Melo isnt Lebron.

OR

CP3 could have decided he wanted to join Melo on the Nets.

Dudes crying over Gallo, Mozgov, and Felton amuse me because they werent doing much while they were here.

Please just STFU, Gallo and company weren't **** to cry about!!!!

FeltonandAmare wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

fishmike wrote:whats not to love?

If we some end up w/ CP3, Amare, Melo a GM who isnt a total donkey and Dolan's $$$ and we will have some good years of damn good hoops!

Plus I will never again mention how lame the Melo trade was (of course we have no more assets to trade because of it)

Yes, it was lame, and I will never support it. However, since the plan was clearly a three amigos one, then we would have had to renounce all of the players we lost anyway. So in that light, it wasn't such a bad move. Plus Melo still has game and should for the next few years.

pushing Walsh out of the Melo trade and eventually letting him go may prove to set this franchise back a decade. Walsh would have gotten a better deal and had something creative for a CP3 trade. If this gets fubared all our fears are realized. Unless of course Isiah comes out and offers CP3 the MLE, kinda how it worked with Kobe

How many times are you going to say the same thing. We gave up virtually NOTHING for Melo. Also, all the so called experts said the same thing last year. They said we
had nothing to trade to the Nuggets for Melo. In fact the Nuggets even said so. Surprise we got Melo. Same thing will happen here.

The Knicks gave up 3/5 or 4/5 of their starting line up if you include Moz as a starter. Felton is just 27 and was averaging 17 and 9. Chandler can play 3 positions, rebound, block shots and was averaging 16-6 and just turned 24. Gallo is only 23 and appeared to be at least heading to a couple of all star games. When you consider that Randolph (22) had to be traded to minny and the Knicks gave their 2014 pick, and two second round picks the deal was outrageous and is probably why Walsh is no longer running the Knicks. I hope you were just trying to be provocative by writing that the Knicks gave up nothing.

I live in Denver and saw Melo transform the franchise. There is no way that was equal value. All the players you cited will not even be remembered in 10 years. At the beginning of the season the thought that the Knicks would end up with Melo was considered ridiculous by all the so called experts and everyone in the Denver media. That's way the CP3 trade should not be dismissed. This is the exact same situation. It's amazing how players traded from the Knicks all of a sudden taken on a mythical stature that they do not possess. Anyone who thinks we gave up too much for Melo is insane.

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

nixluva wrote:In the end regardless of the fact that the league owns the Hornets, there are only 2 options. New Orleans does a deal with the Knicks and gets something or they refuse to deal and lose CP3 for NOTHING! Teams always have to deal. It's a tough pill to swallow, but you can't cut off your nose to spite your face. CP3 can simply walk at the end of the year and still go where he wants to go, even if that means less money. New Orleans would have nothing but some cap space to show for it. That would be dumb when they can still get cap space in the form of CB's $14 mil expiring and also get some young players and a pick, maybe $3 mil in cash.

If CP3 refuses to sign with any team except the Knicks there are no options for New Orleans. New Orleans knows it. Stern knows it. The Agent for CP3 and the Knicks know it.

A team about to start negotiating against Dolan doesn't need options they just need patience. All they have to do is drag their feet and Dolan will offer whatever he can get his grubby hands on.

This time there really isn't much Dolan can send away. We don't have anything left on the roster. Future pick aren't really of much value either. So what if we give up 2017 2019 picks?

CP3 for CB, TD, Fields, Jordan, 2017 pick and $3 mil is probably about what it will end up being. It works out capwise and about all that they could demand is another future pick. That doesn't really bother me at all. Like Melo it would be worth it.

There is no way Shumpert wouldn't be included in any CP3 trade. I get that some people want to hold onto our recent draft pick, but he's also our only young asset that doesn't expire in 2012. TD and Fields are RFA's and their value is diminished because of that. If we want to trade for CP3, it's going to clean our cupboards bare.

nixluva wrote:In the end regardless of the fact that the league owns the Hornets, there are only 2 options. New Orleans does a deal with the Knicks and gets something or they refuse to deal and lose CP3 for NOTHING! Teams always have to deal. It's a tough pill to swallow, but you can't cut off your nose to spite your face. CP3 can simply walk at the end of the year and still go where he wants to go, even if that means less money. New Orleans would have nothing but some cap space to show for it. That would be dumb when they can still get cap space in the form of CB's $14 mil expiring and also get some young players and a pick, maybe $3 mil in cash.

If CP3 refuses to sign with any team except the Knicks there are no options for New Orleans. New Orleans knows it. Stern knows it. The Agent for CP3 and the Knicks know it.

That's what logically should be going through the Hornets minds IF they were owned by a normal owner, however the problem is that the NBA own them- this complicates things because whether or not CP3 is on the Hornets roster greatly effects the price they can sell the team for and the number of people who will actually be interested in buying it- even with CP3 wanting out, they can spin it to potential buyers that he can be convinced to stay with a good new owner committed to winning (and potential new owners will convince themselves that they could persuade him to stay).

In addition, the media and many nba fans would run riot if Stern basically gave CP3 to New York (remeber when Pau Gasol got given to the Lakers- that was pretty bad, but imagine if Stern had owned the Grizzlies when that trade was made)- if you're not a Knicks fan, lets be honest it looks terrible.

So really, since the nba owns the Hornets, and their number 1 priority is to sell the hornets, then really keeping CP3 all season and losing him for nothing makes sense to them from a pr perspective, and because it gives them more time to sell the team at a higher price.

nixluva wrote:If Stern holds on to CP3 he'd be doing the franchise a major disservice. Getting nothing in return for CP3 is criminal. Yeah the Knicks won't give them much, but it's better than Zero! Even if the biggest thing they get is additional picks it's better than Zero! I see no way that Stern allows that to happen. Even tho it will look bad for the league, he's in a tough spot. He has to do the right thing for the franchise in the end.

I think thats how Stern should look at it, but I still beleive his priority is above all else selling that team to an owner who will keep it in New Orleans- that becomes much much harder without CP3 on the roster- how the team performs once it's sold probably isn't much of a concern to him at this stage, though I hope I'm proved wrong!

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Stern holds on to CP3 he'd be doing the franchise a major disservice. Getting nothing in return for CP3 is criminal. Yeah the Knicks won't give them much, but it's better than Zero! Even if the biggest thing they get is additional picks it's better than Zero! I see no way that Stern allows that to happen. Even tho it will look bad for the league, he's in a tough spot. He has to do the right thing for the franchise in the end.

You're making many assumptions

What's your point?

CP3 is unlikely to sign an extension with NO when he has to chance to leave and find a better home. Stern in the end has to do something that will preserve the franchise. Doing nothing and letting CP3 walk is not an option. It's a horrible decision to make simply because you don't get the absolute best deal. Something is better than nothing. It's really up to CP3 of course. If he accepts a deal with LAC then so be it. NO will be happy. I don't get the impression that's what LAC is looking to do. I hear they want Howard.

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade Amare for Howard and Melo for CP3.

Perfect balance..

Nalod wrote:
Will Paul walk away from the bird rights?

Do any of them?