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Bonn1997
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11/29/2011  1:29 PM
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CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

If you're predictions are right and this truly is a 50 win team (over a full season), then I wouldn't criticize the team's previous decisions. With good decisions and a lot of luck (which any championship team needs), you can improve a 50 win team to the point where it's championship calibre.
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11/29/2011  2:56 PM
I didn't like the Melo/Billups trade. We're slower, worse defensively and ball movement in the half court is weak. Melo is the most overrated player in the league and Billups is not the player he was.
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11/29/2011  3:24 PM
Chris Paul would be a bonus because, Walsh's plan was to get under the cap for 2max players. Coach has that and can be honestly judged based on this season.

Walsh wasn't in this for the Paul sweepstakes. Keeping flexibility for next season is just smart but, the bar that was lowered for his first two seasons is right back up where it belongs. He better get us near 50 wins and at the least a 2nd round appearance.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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11/29/2011  3:27 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:I'll predict 34-32. I sure hope I'm wrong.

damn 34-32?? that's a bit dire dont you think? i get that there are questions about this team winning a championship, since defense is a big questionm, but if there is ever a team that is built for the regular season it's this one.


Yeah I had a feeling people would say that. I was not impressed with how they looked last year post-trade. There's uncertainty about Amare's and Billups' health and Carmelo had multiple injuries and I think multiple surgeries. I've always thought that even the healthy Carmelo was a chucker who didn't help his teams very much. I'm not as critical of him as most of the Denver fans are but I've never been a supporter of him. Carmelo did play better with the Knicks than he has in most of his career and if he continues to play at that level, then I would revise my prediction to more like 38-28. People have a tendency to read way too much into small samples though.

I'd be shocked if you were pleases with how they looked. At the same time, how much gel time did they really have. We are not talking a small tweak to the team but a huge one that would effect its total makeup. You need from 10-20 games to fully come together (or so I have read).

Training camp and time, I expect we will see some amazing chemistry from those 2this season.

Coach has got to get the others to play more effectively. Field wasn't the only one to regress, Walker regressed as well.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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11/29/2011  3:37 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'll predict 34-32. I sure hope I'm wrong.

damn 34-32?? that's a bit dire dont you think? i get that there are questions about this team winning a championship, since defense is a big questionm, but if there is ever a team that is built for the regular season it's this one.


Yeah I had a feeling people would say that. I was not impressed with how they looked last year post-trade. There's uncertainty about Amare's and Billups' health and Carmelo had multiple injuries and I think multiple surgeries. I've always thought that even the healthy Carmelo was a chucker who didn't help his teams very much. I'm not as critical of him as most of the Denver fans are but I've never been a supporter of him. Carmelo did play better with the Knicks than he has in most of his career and if he continues to play at that level, then I would revise my prediction to more like 38-28. People have a tendency to read way too much into small samples though.

I'd be shocked if you were pleases with how they looked. At the same time, how much gel time did they really have. We are not talking a small tweak to the team but a huge one that would effect its total makeup. You need from 10-20 games to fully come together (or so I have read).

Training camp and time, I expect we will see some amazing chemistry from those 2this season.

Coach has got to get the others to play more effectively. Field wasn't the only one to regress, Walker regressed as well.

Shawne Williams really regressed

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11/29/2011  3:39 PM
People regressed because Carmelo came in and dominated the ball.

Unless he suddenly turns into a playmaker prepare for these guys to produce the same output.

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11/29/2011  7:25 PM
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CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.

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11/29/2011  8:20 PM
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.
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11/29/2011  8:54 PM
Adding Melo and subtracting Felton was much more disruptive than it may have seemed at first sight. It took Duhon a long time to get the hang of things, took a good while for Felton to finally get the hang of the offense and develop some chemistry with STAT and clearly CB never had a chance to get comfortable.

Then adding Melo to the Mix really was a shock. His style of play is the complete opposite of what the team had been accustomed to with the SSOL system. The ball stops when it gets to Melo and no one knew his game enough to know when to go or stay put. This team really could've used a full training camp and season to work out the kinks.
I just hope that CB and Melo aren't underestimating the amount of work they need to do in order to get the chemistry right. I was disappointed that CB and Melo opted not to get together with the team at IMG.

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11/29/2011  9:07 PM
nixluva wrote:Adding Melo and subtracting Felton was much more disruptive than it may have seemed at first sight. It took Duhon a long time to get the hang of things, took a good while for Felton to finally get the hang of the offense and develop some chemistry with STAT and clearly CB never had a chance to get comfortable.

Then adding Melo to the Mix really was a shock. His style of play is the complete opposite of what the team had been accustomed to with the SSOL system. The ball stops when it gets to Melo and no one knew his game enough to know when to go or stay put. This team really could've used a full training camp and season to work out the kinks.
I just hope that CB and Melo aren't underestimating the amount of work they need to do in order to get the chemistry right. I was disappointed that CB and Melo opted not to get together with the team at IMG.

I was disappointed also. One of the great things about last year was Amare came in and instantly became the leader and the young guys followed his example. Obviously Billups is a leader and Melo is used to star treatment but I liked it when it was Amare's team. I hope these guys are on the same page.

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11/29/2011  10:38 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.

I'll give you chucker in 2 of the 4 games. 41% for a game isn't great but not too shabby either when you consider everyone in the building knew he had to shhot. 10 for 24, 32 Points 9 boards and 3 assists. Definite chucker in games 1 and 3.

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11/29/2011  10:47 PM
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nixluva wrote:Adding Melo and subtracting Felton was much more disruptive than it may have seemed at first sight. It took Duhon a long time to get the hang of things, took a good while for Felton to finally get the hang of the offense and develop some chemistry with STAT and clearly CB never had a chance to get comfortable.

Then adding Melo to the Mix really was a shock. His style of play is the complete opposite of what the team had been accustomed to with the SSOL system. The ball stops when it gets to Melo and no one knew his game enough to know when to go or stay put. This team really could've used a full training camp and season to work out the kinks.
I just hope that CB and Melo aren't underestimating the amount of work they need to do in order to get the chemistry right. I was disappointed that CB and Melo opted not to get together with the team at IMG.

I was disappointed also. One of the great things about last year was Amare came in and instantly became the leader and the young guys followed his example. Obviously Billups is a leader and Melo is used to star treatment but I liked it when it was Amare's team. I hope these guys are on the same page.

I still consider Amar'e the Leader. Melo and CB are also leaders, but I think Amar'e has earned the right to be the defacto leader of the team. CB will never commit 100% to the team. He feels like he's too close to the end of his career and he's less willing to inconvenience his family for the sake of his career any longer. I can kind of give him a pass.

Melo is just selfish. He could easily make the trip. He's got a hollywood wife and one kid. It's only for what, a week at the most. He most of all should back up his man Amar'e. We don't need some kind of power struggle developing on the team.

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11/29/2011  10:50 PM
CashMoney wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.

I'll give you chucker in 2 of the 4 games. 41% for a game isn't great but not too shabby either when you consider everyone in the building knew he had to shhot. 10 for 24, 32 Points 9 boards and 3 assists. Definite chucker in games 1 and 3.

This is why it would make a huge difference to have CP3 running the team. He could take control and mitigate Melo's tendency to get crazy with the shots. CP3 could make sure that Melo takes better shots or no shots. That's what a great PG can do for a team.

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11/29/2011  11:34 PM
nixluva wrote:Adding Melo and subtracting Felton was much more disruptive than it may have seemed at first sight. It took Duhon a long time to get the hang of things, took a good while for Felton to finally get the hang of the offense and develop some chemistry with STAT and clearly CB never had a chance to get comfortable.

Then adding Melo to the Mix really was a shock. His style of play is the complete opposite of what the team had been accustomed to with the SSOL system. The ball stops when it gets to Melo and no one knew his game enough to know when to go or stay put. This team really could've used a full training camp and season to work out the kinks.
I just hope that CB and Melo aren't underestimating the amount of work they need to do in order to get the chemistry right. I was disappointed that CB and Melo opted not to get together with the team at IMG.

that a really nice way of just saying Melo is a dark hole. Anything he touches, you will never see again... If he can't play system basketball, its going to be tough. Does he really not see what we see? Don't forget hes been playing this way since Syracuse. I think its a combination of things, he played this style all his life. And all the money and fame he has, is all contributed to what hes doing. He is a stat whore, stats earn you respect and contracts, its sad but true. This is where I try to explain, stats are very misleading. This is part of the reason he spends his energy on offense and rebounding. He rests on defense, while hoping to get the rebound. It seems like he was just about to change things, including moving the ball towards the last couple of games when we were on the large losing streak. He even worked on defense and was huffing and puffing at first because hes not use to doing that. Then Amare and Billups go down, he gets rewarded for going back to his old ways and "giving a chance" to the Knicks.

I hope Shumpert is ready to bitch Melo out, if he was to be a true PG and not a let me "give the rock to u and run away, knowing you will probably shoot, and but not knowing when, even though the defense is knows the same exact thing" I really see them budding heads in practice. This is the real reason I want Phil Jackson to go along with the rest of his stats for W's. I don't know which Melo we are getting back, the one that was trying to change his game while on our losing streak or the one in the playoffs that got rewarded and praised for not playing team basketball. As for being a stat whore, I don't know if that's how he is really thinking but it sure seems like it at times. Meanwhile, when Stat came in, he was doing things to try to get wins. As much as he scored, and for even all those TO he made, he wasn't even half as bad as Melo. There was a team concept and a SSL system he was trying to mentor to the young ones. Stat kind of wanted that 2nd star, well, now he got it. I don't think he himself even realized it would be like that.

Amare doesn't mind giving up being the #1 guy and taking way less shots, but at the cost of taking better % shots and W's.

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11/29/2011  11:45 PM
if we add cp3, we need a quality center in the Tyson Chandler range because 3/5 players arent even average defenders. Cp3 does very well for his size and even gets steals but he doesn't strike fear either. Lets see if Shumpert does and get a sense of what he maybe be, if he can run the PG and be a lock down defender, I can't see why we would not want that advantage and save our cap to use on elsewhere.
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11/29/2011  11:50 PM
i really dont see New Orleans letting Cp3 walk for nothing, they are going to have to rebuild and I bet they regret not Collison. I wonder will they use the Amnesty clause on Ok4. Will they also look to deal Ariza and Jack for draft picks and go to a full blown tanking year?
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11/30/2011  12:43 AM
RonRon wrote:i really dont see New Orleans letting Cp3 walk for nothing, they are going to have to rebuild and I bet they regret not Collison. I wonder will they use the Amnesty clause on Ok4. Will they also look to deal Ariza and Jack for draft picks and go to a full blown tanking year?

The problem I see is that the league owns the Team. It's hard to know if that will be a help or hindrance to getting Paul from them.

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11/30/2011  4:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2011  4:09 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.

Paul Pierce had 1 great game too......... but it's ok for fishmike to say he burnt Melo for some sad reason????
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11/30/2011  5:45 AM
CashMoney wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.

I'll give you chucker in 2 of the 4 games. 41% for a game isn't great but not too shabby either when you consider everyone in the building knew he had to shhot. 10 for 24, 32 Points 9 boards and 3 assists. Definite chucker in games 1 and 3.


"Chucker" has more to do with the number of bad shots you take than the precise percentage that happened to go in in any one game.
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11/30/2011  7:28 AM
Anji wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CashMoney wrote:The Knicks will be the real deal this year. I expect nothing less than 40 wins and a playoff run. The Smiling Assassin will make people forget about the role players we gave up.
I agree. Until he's smoked by Paul Pierce again when the games count. Playoff time. Smiling assassin.... hamburglar is more like it. Dude's got a lot to prove and it needs to happen in the POST season. Untill then he's stat collector

42 Points 17 boards and 6 assists. He didn't play great against the Celts last year but had his moments, especially when you consider no STAT or Chauncey. I'll be smiling along with Melo this season, watch and see my friend.


Melo had one great game but was a chucker in the other three.

Paul Pierce had 1 great game too......... but it's ok for fishmike to say he burnt Melo for some sad reason????
oh.. Im sorry. Did Melo out play Pierce?
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