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nixluva
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11/21/2011  11:53 PM
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:So Carmelo is the most complete player in the NBA if and only if you ignore his career track record.

I never said Melo was the most complete player in the NBA! This is what I said:

nixluva wrote:
I believe that if Melo buys into this system he can become a more efficient player. Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league but he tends to be sloppy and waste possessions with bad shots.
MDA's system is all about trying to take the best shot, tho some think it's about jacking up shots, but it's not.

Melo's biggest problem is poor shot selection. Really just not taking each possession as serious as he should. I think he can change that attitude and become more efficient. He doesn't lack the ability to shoot the 3 or make the right pass. He needs to finally start taking his game more seriously and play within the offense. I think he may be ready to do that.

"You think he can change"?

Dude, where do you get this stuff?

It's not like I'm guaranteeing Melo will make the adjustment tho I think he already has tried to make some changes to his game. He's still got a way to go no doubt. NY is a different fanbase and they'll get on him if he plays too loose and wild. I think he already knows that he can't get away with the same stuff in NY.

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11/22/2011  6:03 AM
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:So Carmelo is the most complete player in the NBA if and only if you ignore his career track record.

I never said Melo was the most complete player in the NBA! This is what I said:

nixluva wrote:
I believe that if Melo buys into this system he can become a more efficient player. Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league but he tends to be sloppy and waste possessions with bad shots.
MDA's system is all about trying to take the best shot, tho some think it's about jacking up shots, but it's not.

Melo's biggest problem is poor shot selection. Really just not taking each possession as serious as he should. I think he can change that attitude and become more efficient. He doesn't lack the ability to shoot the 3 or make the right pass. He needs to finally start taking his game more seriously and play within the offense. I think he may be ready to do that.

"You think he can change"?

Dude, where do you get this stuff?


It's blind optimism. He's had it for as long as he's posted here. On the bright side, it probably helps him enjoy the games more. I would have enjoyed the Knicks more over the past two decades if I had the same blind optimism.
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11/22/2011  7:55 AM
I think he already knows that he can't get away with the same stuff in NY.

Nix, How do you know what he is thinking?

Wishful thinking? You in his head?

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11/22/2011  8:36 AM
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:So Carmelo is the most complete player in the NBA if and only if you ignore his career track record.

I never said Melo was the most complete player in the NBA! This is what I said:

nixluva wrote:
I believe that if Melo buys into this system he can become a more efficient player. Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league but he tends to be sloppy and waste possessions with bad shots.
MDA's system is all about trying to take the best shot, tho some think it's about jacking up shots, but it's not.

Melo's biggest problem is poor shot selection. Really just not taking each possession as serious as he should. I think he can change that attitude and become more efficient. He doesn't lack the ability to shoot the 3 or make the right pass. He needs to finally start taking his game more seriously and play within the offense. I think he may be ready to do that.

"You think he can change"?

Dude, where do you get this stuff?

It's not like I'm guaranteeing Melo will make the adjustment tho I think he already has tried to make some changes to his game. He's still got a way to go no doubt. NY is a different fanbase and they'll get on him if he plays too loose and wild. I think he already knows that he can't get away with the same stuff in NY.

your going against the collective grain here. Right or wrong doesn't matter

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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11/22/2011  8:38 AM
Nalod wrote:
I think he already knows that he can't get away with the same stuff in NY.

Nix, How do you know what he is thinking?

Wishful thinking? You in his head?


It's a well-known fact that big-name players usually overcome their weaknesses and get their acts together when coming to NY. Just look at what happened over the past ten years.
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11/22/2011  10:15 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:So Carmelo is the most complete player in the NBA if and only if you ignore his career track record.

I never said Melo was the most complete player in the NBA! This is what I said:

nixluva wrote:
I believe that if Melo buys into this system he can become a more efficient player. Melo has the most complete offensive game in the league but he tends to be sloppy and waste possessions with bad shots.
MDA's system is all about trying to take the best shot, tho some think it's about jacking up shots, but it's not.

Melo's biggest problem is poor shot selection. Really just not taking each possession as serious as he should. I think he can change that attitude and become more efficient. He doesn't lack the ability to shoot the 3 or make the right pass. He needs to finally start taking his game more seriously and play within the offense. I think he may be ready to do that.

"You think he can change"?

Dude, where do you get this stuff?


It's blind optimism. He's had it for as long as he's posted here. On the bright side, it probably helps him enjoy the games more. I would have enjoyed the Knicks more over the past two decades if I had the same blind optimism.

I suppose it beats being a cynical pessimist who still hates Van Gundy for starting Dudley in the last Finals I'm probably ever going to see my team in...

Could somebody please post something about how Shump is training right now by dunking on a 25 foot rim?

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11/22/2011  10:20 AM
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ramtour420 wrote:He has enough ability to shoot the 3 or pass to warrant coverage in those areas. Someone whose game is not complete might be better than him at those or other things but still would have areas or situations where he does not require coverage(read: holes in his offensive game) Melo does not have holes in his offensive game(read: complete offensive package), but of course there are areas in his offense that need improvement.

THANK YOU! That's the distinction that some are missing. It's not that Melo is a perfect player. He is versatile and a legit threat from every spot on the floor. I don't think he's a finished product either. He still has things he is improving on. Just to compare Nash was also a vet when he hooked up with MDA and made a noticeable improvement in his game. It's totally up to Melo to make the needed adjustments and put in the work. I think we saw a glimpse of what he's capable of if he wants to be great and win a title.

I think most of us understand the distinction. It's that he SHOULD NOT be taking some of those shots because he's not good enough at them to remain efficient. He's just less bad than some other people.

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11/22/2011  1:38 PM
ItalianStallion wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:He has enough ability to shoot the 3 or pass to warrant coverage in those areas. Someone whose game is not complete might be better than him at those or other things but still would have areas or situations where he does not require coverage(read: holes in his offensive game) Melo does not have holes in his offensive game(read: complete offensive package), but of course there are areas in his offense that need improvement.

THANK YOU! That's the distinction that some are missing. It's not that Melo is a perfect player. He is versatile and a legit threat from every spot on the floor. I don't think he's a finished product either. He still has things he is improving on. Just to compare Nash was also a vet when he hooked up with MDA and made a noticeable improvement in his game. It's totally up to Melo to make the needed adjustments and put in the work. I think we saw a glimpse of what he's capable of if he wants to be great and win a title.

I think most of us understand the distinction. It's that he SHOULD NOT be taking some of those shots because he's not good enough at them to remain efficient. He's just less bad than some other people.

Melo isn't good enough to take and make 3's in the flow of the offense rather than chucking up bad 3's at in appropriate times? The fact is that he did focus on taking better shots and he put in the work. He shot more 3's in NY and hit at a higher %! Also it's a bit wrong to only look at his game based on his entire career because it doesn't indicate where he started and where he's at now. Melo was awful from 3pt range in his 1st 4 years. Melo avg'd 27% from 3 in his 1st 4 years but in the last 4 yrs he avg'd 34% not including the 42% he shot in NY. It's entirely possible for him to sure up his 3's.

As for his passing ability it's not a case of a lack of passing ability but like everything for him it's just a focus on doing it more. We saw him avg 4.8 assists in the playoffs. He still needs to cut down on TO's but that should come with more chemistry with his new team.

I think he respects this situation more than Denver. For one thing he has STAT here whom he likes and respects. Also the NY stage is one he respects as well. We saw Melo step up his D too. No he's not perfect but he's a lot better than some give him credit for!!! No the optimism I have for Melo or any situation isn't blind! I do base it on things I've observed and researched!!!

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11/22/2011  2:04 PM
I think he respects this situation more than Denver. For one thing he has STAT here whom he likes and respects. Also the NY stage is one he respects as well.

You have a portal into his head?

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11/22/2011  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2011  2:50 PM
nixluva wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:He has enough ability to shoot the 3 or pass to warrant coverage in those areas. Someone whose game is not complete might be better than him at those or other things but still would have areas or situations where he does not require coverage(read: holes in his offensive game) Melo does not have holes in his offensive game(read: complete offensive package), but of course there are areas in his offense that need improvement.

THANK YOU! That's the distinction that some are missing. It's not that Melo is a perfect player. He is versatile and a legit threat from every spot on the floor. I don't think he's a finished product either. He still has things he is improving on. Just to compare Nash was also a vet when he hooked up with MDA and made a noticeable improvement in his game. It's totally up to Melo to make the needed adjustments and put in the work. I think we saw a glimpse of what he's capable of if he wants to be great and win a title.

I think most of us understand the distinction. It's that he SHOULD NOT be taking some of those shots because he's not good enough at them to remain efficient. He's just less bad than some other people.

Melo isn't good enough to take and make 3's in the flow of the offense rather than chucking up bad 3's at in appropriate times? The fact is that he did focus on taking better shots and he put in the work. He shot more 3's in NY and hit at a higher %! Also it's a bit wrong to only look at his game based on his entire career because it doesn't indicate where he started and where he's at now. Melo was awful from 3pt range in his 1st 4 years. Melo avg'd 27% from 3 in his 1st 4 years but in the last 4 yrs he avg'd 34% not including the 42% he shot in NY. It's entirely possible for him to sure up his 3's.

As for his passing ability it's not a case of a lack of passing ability but like everything for him it's just a focus on doing it more. We saw him avg 4.8 assists in the playoffs. He still needs to cut down on TO's but that should come with more chemistry with his new team.

I think he respects this situation more than Denver. For one thing he has STAT here whom he likes and respects. Also the NY stage is one he respects as well. We saw Melo step up his D too. No he's not perfect but he's a lot better than some give him credit for!!! No the optimism I have for Melo or any situation isn't blind! I do base it on things I've observed and researched!!!


If you count the games only from 3/28, 3/30, 4/6, and 4/10, these are Carmelo's numbers: 35.8 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.5 APG. I could tell it was during those specific games that he had put everything together mentally. He was really appreciating how fortunate he was to be in NY and playing with Amare on those dates. I have no doubt that he'll bring that appreciation for the full 82 game schedule next year now that he's had a whole summer to think about it. With this new appreciation, he should be capable of putting up comparable numbers for the whole season, which would easily qualify him as the most complete offensive player in the world.
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11/22/2011  3:11 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:He has enough ability to shoot the 3 or pass to warrant coverage in those areas. Someone whose game is not complete might be better than him at those or other things but still would have areas or situations where he does not require coverage(read: holes in his offensive game) Melo does not have holes in his offensive game(read: complete offensive package), but of course there are areas in his offense that need improvement.

THANK YOU! That's the distinction that some are missing. It's not that Melo is a perfect player. He is versatile and a legit threat from every spot on the floor. I don't think he's a finished product either. He still has things he is improving on. Just to compare Nash was also a vet when he hooked up with MDA and made a noticeable improvement in his game. It's totally up to Melo to make the needed adjustments and put in the work. I think we saw a glimpse of what he's capable of if he wants to be great and win a title.

I think most of us understand the distinction. It's that he SHOULD NOT be taking some of those shots because he's not good enough at them to remain efficient. He's just less bad than some other people.

Melo isn't good enough to take and make 3's in the flow of the offense rather than chucking up bad 3's at in appropriate times? The fact is that he did focus on taking better shots and he put in the work. He shot more 3's in NY and hit at a higher %! Also it's a bit wrong to only look at his game based on his entire career because it doesn't indicate where he started and where he's at now. Melo was awful from 3pt range in his 1st 4 years. Melo avg'd 27% from 3 in his 1st 4 years but in the last 4 yrs he avg'd 34% not including the 42% he shot in NY. It's entirely possible for him to sure up his 3's.

As for his passing ability it's not a case of a lack of passing ability but like everything for him it's just a focus on doing it more. We saw him avg 4.8 assists in the playoffs. He still needs to cut down on TO's but that should come with more chemistry with his new team.

I think he respects this situation more than Denver. For one thing he has STAT here whom he likes and respects. Also the NY stage is one he respects as well. We saw Melo step up his D too. No he's not perfect but he's a lot better than some give him credit for!!! No the optimism I have for Melo or any situation isn't blind! I do base it on things I've observed and researched!!!


If you count the games only from 3/28, 3/30, 4/6, and 4/10, these are Carmelo's numbers: 35.8 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.5 APG. I could tell it was during those specific games that he had put everything together mentally. He was really appreciating how fortunate he was to be in NY and playing with Amare on those dates. I have no doubt that he'll bring that appreciation for the full 82 game schedule next year now that he's had a whole summer to think about it. With this new appreciation, he should be capable of putting up comparable numbers for the whole season, which would easily qualify him as the most complete offensive player in the world.

You can make jokes about the possibilities of Melo making some improvements in his game but it doesn't change the fact that he's a better 3pt shooter over his last 4 years verses his 1st 4! Or don't players have the ability to improve in your world. 27% vs 34% indicates improvement. No one said he was the best in the league at everything. He is extremely versatile offensively and he still has room for improvement!!!

Using your logic there was no possibility for Nash to make marked improvement in his game when at 30 he started avg'ing 50% fg after only avg'ing 45% over his 1st 7 yrs. Melo is 27.

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