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11/1/2011  1:48 PM
Nalod you act like a 7 year old, stop ridiculing our opinions and positive judgement. You look for holes just to prove "I am right mentality", with none to little credibility, You are right, I shouldn't stoop to your level but you hit the right buttons.

This kid is doing Tomahawks with EASE, when was the last time we had talent like this? These videos show he is working on his game and doing drills to improve his game in all areas.
It displays his work ethic, physical abilities, footwork and coordination, and DETERMINATION on the road of becoming a NBA player.

You are mocking us and this kid and he has shown us nothing but hard work and talent. What is the point behind it?
Take a stand, what is your assessment of Iman? From your sarcasm, you are saying he is unproven and hasn't done anything versus NBA competition. I can't argue with that, you are right, he hasn't stepped foot in the league yet.

These videos show he has the NBA body, physical size, strength, athleticism, and explosiveness. The foot work drill he does shows his great foot work, coordination, and he is clearly advanced anyone in that video as well. He has been rapidly improving since his ACC days,
showing commitment, hard work, and dedication on rapidly improving his game and shooting( his possible major ? to his game)
It shows him pushing his body and mind in a variety of work outs and drills.

If we were praising Eddy Curry, I can totally understand how you can mock us but he is no Fat boy or Fishlip...
Your videos showed nothing to the extent Iman does. We do not visually see how those players were doing drills, practicing, and improving greatly from their current games. Most of the links are just articles saying that they conduct practice and drills, nothing compared to what we see vs Imans. And those guys aren't rookies anymore, they have been through seasons, practice, and training with NBA coaches. Iman is doing this without that experience. You can tell he is also enthusiastic about learning from his veterans, Billups and whoever would give him advice. He shows confidence, a little ****iness, and yet humble and respect toward the vets.

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11/1/2011  2:24 PM
RonRon wrote:Nalod you act like a 7 year old, stop ridiculing our opinions and positive judgement. You look for holes just to prove "I am right mentality", with none to little credibility, You are right, I shouldn't stoop to your level but you hit the right buttons.

This kid is doing Tomahawks with EASE, when was the last time we had talent like this? These videos show he is working on his game and doing drills to improve his game in all areas.
It displays his work ethic, physical abilities, footwork and coordination, and DETERMINATION on the road of becoming a NBA player.

You are mocking us and this kid and he has shown us nothing but hard work and talent. What is the point behind it?
Take a stand, what is your assessment of Iman? From your sarcasm, you are saying he is unproven and hasn't done anything versus NBA competition. I can't argue with that, you are right, he hasn't stepped foot in the league yet.

These videos show he has the NBA body, physical size, strength, athleticism, and explosiveness. The foot work drill he does shows his great foot work, coordination, and he is clearly advanced anyone in that video as well. He has been rapidly improving since his ACC days,
showing commitment, hard work, and dedication on rapidly improving his game and shooting( his possible major ? to his game)
It shows him pushing his body and mind in a variety of work outs and drills.

If we were praising Eddy Curry, I can totally understand how you can mock us but he is no Fat boy or Fishlip...
Your videos showed nothing to the extent Iman does. We do not visually see how those players were doing drills, practicing, and improving greatly from their current games. Most of the links are just articles saying that they conduct practice and drills, nothing compared to what we see vs Imans. And those guys aren't rookies anymore, they have been through seasons, practice, and training with NBA coaches. Iman is doing this without that experience. You can tell he is also enthusiastic about learning from his veterans, Billups and whoever would give him advice. He shows confidence, a little ****iness, and yet humble and respect toward the vets.

You guys are just gushing with so much positive energy! Its infectious! Yes, I see it! The intensity! The shear determination! The intellect! The concentration! The biometrics of his inner DNA exploding into a Westbrook Plus freak of nature able to do Spidey things with his defensive prowess and keen senses akin to the most feared hunter on the Serengeti!

Its like a trailer to a movie. Im reading your post with that movie guy voice and it sounds so wonderful.

I hope the movie plays as well as advertised. Not the "Shump is 3rd string and MDA is holding him back and he should be fired!"

Unless the kid comes out ablaze and we all want this kid to be "the steal of the draft", he is behind Chauns-Fields and TD. MDA will play rookie

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11/1/2011  2:32 PM
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I wonder how long that agent-fronted cash will continue to flow now that paychecks to normal union members are going to stop.

Wonder if that's why he's hanging out at his HS now...

What is this comment about? Why are you hating on this kid? He's been keeping a good attitude during this awful lockout. He's showing us he's committed to his game and staying focused! Why are you making fun of his finances? Did he kick your dog or something?

The kid isn't out blowing money, even when in Vegas he didn't hangout all night in clubs Or casinos! You would think a Knick fan would be happy and proud of a 1st rd pick doing all this on his OWN! No help or direction from the team! He's kept himself positively engaged all summer and fall. SMH at some fans on this forum.

nix, first off, where does it say in my post that the kid's blowing cash? I made the post out of curiousity, which I expressed in other threads, about how Iman is getting financed. Someone said it was agents fronting him cash, which I figured could possibly be the only redeeming quality an agent may have. The question is even more pointed now that paychecks to people who are actually under contract are soon going to stop. Traveling across the country, last I heard, costs money, or does it in your world? End of comment.

secondly, SMA, buddy. Just because I'm not ready to lick the crust out of every jockstrap in the NBA, doesn't mean I'm not a Knicks fan. Shump is an incredible talent; I'm a fan of the team, and I've never said I'm not happy he's our pick. In other posts I've poked fun at his workout vids...big deal. Jeezus dude, do you keep lifesize cutouts in your bedroom?

Back off, player boy. We get it.

Iman signed with Adidas. I'm pretty sure his Agent is finding ways to get his client paid. Iman has said he's not very careless with his money. Since he's being smart about his spending it seems he's just fine financially. As for his flights, perhaps he's being just as frugal buying tickets on cheap flights.

I'm never going to apologize for being a passionate Knick fan and I speak out when I read dumb remarks that lack any insight and only seek to bring others down. Most of your posts fall into that category so I suspect we'll be bumping heads in the future based on what I've seen from you so far. Keep it up tho, I have no problem verbally body slamming guys like you!

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11/1/2011  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2011  4:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I wonder how long that agent-fronted cash will continue to flow now that paychecks to normal union members are going to stop.

Wonder if that's why he's hanging out at his HS now...

What is this comment about? Why are you hating on this kid? He's been keeping a good attitude during this awful lockout. He's showing us he's committed to his game and staying focused! Why are you making fun of his finances? Did he kick your dog or something?

The kid isn't out blowing money, even when in Vegas he didn't hangout all night in clubs Or casinos! You would think a Knick fan would be happy and proud of a 1st rd pick doing all this on his OWN! No help or direction from the team! He's kept himself positively engaged all summer and fall. SMH at some fans on this forum.

nix, first off, where does it say in my post that the kid's blowing cash? I made the post out of curiousity, which I expressed in other threads, about how Iman is getting financed. Someone said it was agents fronting him cash, which I figured could possibly be the only redeeming quality an agent may have. The question is even more pointed now that paychecks to people who are actually under contract are soon going to stop. Traveling across the country, last I heard, costs money, or does it in your world? End of comment.

secondly, SMA, buddy. Just because I'm not ready to lick the crust out of every jockstrap in the NBA, doesn't mean I'm not a Knicks fan. Shump is an incredible talent; I'm a fan of the team, and I've never said I'm not happy he's our pick. In other posts I've poked fun at his workout vids...big deal. Jeezus dude, do you keep lifesize cutouts in your bedroom?

Back off, player boy. We get it.

Iman signed with Adidas. I'm pretty sure his Agent is finding ways to get his client paid. Iman has said he's not very careless with his money. Since he's being smart about his spending it seems he's just fine financially. As for his flights, perhaps he's being just as frugal buying tickets on cheap flights.

I'm never going to apologize for being a passionate Knick fan and I speak out when I read dumb remarks that lack any insight and only seek to bring others down. Most of your posts fall into that category so I suspect we'll be bumping heads in the future based on what I've seen from you so far. Keep it up tho, I have no problem verbally body slamming guys like you!

For a budding financial genius, your blatant stupidity in everything else is much more frightening than your supposed verbal body slams.
1) Again, I never said the kid was blowing money. You should look into improving your reading comprehension skills; they might aid in your imagined verbal body slamming skills.
2) I'm glad you were able to answer my question, tho. That was insightful. Unfortunately, nothing else you post is.
Maybe for your next trick you could post the terms of his contract?
3) No one's asking you to apologize for being a Knicks fan; just please apologize for being the forum's gushing for players butt plug.

Thanks.

Have a nice day.

Hint: Try typing a response after your lips stop moving.

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11/1/2011  7:09 PM
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I wonder how long that agent-fronted cash will continue to flow now that paychecks to normal union members are going to stop.

Wonder if that's why he's hanging out at his HS now...

What is this comment about? Why are you hating on this kid? He's been keeping a good attitude during this awful lockout. He's showing us he's committed to his game and staying focused! Why are you making fun of his finances? Did he kick your dog or something?

The kid isn't out blowing money, even when in Vegas he didn't hangout all night in clubs Or casinos! You would think a Knick fan would be happy and proud of a 1st rd pick doing all this on his OWN! No help or direction from the team! He's kept himself positively engaged all summer and fall. SMH at some fans on this forum.

nix, first off, where does it say in my post that the kid's blowing cash? I made the post out of curiousity, which I expressed in other threads, about how Iman is getting financed. Someone said it was agents fronting him cash, which I figured could possibly be the only redeeming quality an agent may have. The question is even more pointed now that paychecks to people who are actually under contract are soon going to stop. Traveling across the country, last I heard, costs money, or does it in your world? End of comment.

secondly, SMA, buddy. Just because I'm not ready to lick the crust out of every jockstrap in the NBA, doesn't mean I'm not a Knicks fan. Shump is an incredible talent; I'm a fan of the team, and I've never said I'm not happy he's our pick. In other posts I've poked fun at his workout vids...big deal. Jeezus dude, do you keep lifesize cutouts in your bedroom?

Back off, player boy. We get it.

Iman signed with Adidas. I'm pretty sure his Agent is finding ways to get his client paid. Iman has said he's not very careless with his money. Since he's being smart about his spending it seems he's just fine financially. As for his flights, perhaps he's being just as frugal buying tickets on cheap flights.

I'm never going to apologize for being a passionate Knick fan and I speak out when I read dumb remarks that lack any insight and only seek to bring others down. Most of your posts fall into that category so I suspect we'll be bumping heads in the future based on what I've seen from you so far. Keep it up tho, I have no problem verbally body slamming guys like you!

For a budding financial genius, your blatant stupidity in everything else is much more frightening than your supposed verbal body slams.
1) Again, I never said the kid was blowing money. You should look into improving your reading comprehension skills; they might aid in your imagined verbal body slamming skills.
2) I'm glad you were able to answer my question, tho. That was insightful. Unfortunately, nothing else you post is.
Maybe for your next trick you could post the terms of his contract?
3) No one's asking you to apologize for being a Knicks fan; just please apologize for being the forum's gushing for players butt plug.

Thanks.

Have a nice day.

Hint: Try typing a response after your lips stop moving.

What are you 15? Why don't we just stick to BB and dispense with the childish insults.

You make it sound like I gush about every single player we draft! I clearly don't like every player we bring to the team otherwise I wouldn't have gotten into so many arguments about Hill and AR. I haven't gone into any real positive posts about Jorts, Jordan or Rautins. I happen to have a good feeling about Iman based on real talents the kid has proven to have already. He's a prospect and that's how I'm judging him. It's not like we're saying he's already accomplished everything we feel he has the potential to achieve. We actually feel he has a great chance to be good and so far he's been doing everything right. That's reason to be happy as a Knick fan.

Walsh had Iman as a top 5 talent in the draft and I can see why. You don't have to agree but if you disagree don't talk ish, back up your reasoning. So far most of what you have brought to the table is garbage and jokes.

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11/1/2011  7:48 PM
It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.
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ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/1/2011  10:06 PM
tkf wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

I think this kid needed better coaching and a clearer understanding of how to play winning BB. Iman will get much better direction and tutoring with Knicks. CB and MDA can provide a lot of insight into how to excel on the NBA level. Missing SL and a chance to work with staff and work with other teammates was a big loss. Hopefully it doesn't set him back too much. That's why it's important that he stays busy and gets as much help as he can. Hey at least he is working hard on the things he can work on.

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11/1/2011  10:16 PM
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

I think this kid needed better coaching and a clearer understanding of how to play winning BB. Iman will get much better direction and tutoring with Knicks. CB and MDA can provide a lot of insight into how to excel on the NBA level. Missing SL and a chance to work with staff and work with other teammates was a big loss. Hopefully it doesn't set him back too much. That's why it's important that he stays busy and gets as much help as he can. Hey at least he is working hard on the things he can work on.

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11/2/2011  10:40 AM
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

I think this kid needed better coaching and a clearer understanding of how to play winning BB. Iman will get much better direction and tutoring with Knicks. CB and MDA can provide a lot of insight into how to excel on the NBA level. Missing SL and a chance to work with staff and work with other teammates was a big loss. Hopefully it doesn't set him back too much. That's why it's important that he stays busy and gets as much help as he can. Hey at least he is working hard on the things he can work on.

Are you kidding me, MDA has no time for players with low IQ's we have all seen that..

Instead of dunks and 3 point shots, he should have a skills competetion like practice..

Im glad he's working on the 3 ball, but thats not going to get him playing time.

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11/2/2011  11:26 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

I think this kid needed better coaching and a clearer understanding of how to play winning BB. Iman will get much better direction and tutoring with Knicks. CB and MDA can provide a lot of insight into how to excel on the NBA level. Missing SL and a chance to work with staff and work with other teammates was a big loss. Hopefully it doesn't set him back too much. That's why it's important that he stays busy and gets as much help as he can. Hey at least he is working hard on the things he can work on.

Are you kidding me, MDA has no time for players with low IQ's we have all seen that..

Instead of dunks and 3 point shots, he should have a skills competetion like practice..

Im glad he's working on the 3 ball, but thats not going to get him playing time.

3's don't get you playing time with DanToni? When did that personality change occur?

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11/2/2011  11:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
tkf wrote:
ItalianStallion wrote:It's really hard to not love this kid. He seems bright, hard working, and he's got a lot of physical tools to work with. I can't wait to watch him develop.

yea, he seems to be working real hard, and on top of that, he seems to be a much better athlete than I anticipated.. and I watched him here at GA tech....

I think this kid needed better coaching and a clearer understanding of how to play winning BB. Iman will get much better direction and tutoring with Knicks. CB and MDA can provide a lot of insight into how to excel on the NBA level. Missing SL and a chance to work with staff and work with other teammates was a big loss. Hopefully it doesn't set him back too much. That's why it's important that he stays busy and gets as much help as he can. Hey at least he is working hard on the things he can work on.

Are you kidding me, MDA has no time for players with low IQ's we have all seen that..

Instead of dunks and 3 point shots, he should have a skills competetion like practice..

Im glad he's working on the 3 ball, but thats not going to get him playing time.

MDA is the one who actually made the decision to draft Iman over Singleton! He had the kid run PnR in his workouts. Also remember that this kid is a natural defender. We really need a guard like that and MDA knows it. Plus if TD can play for MDA surely a talent like Iman will get a shot. Besides Iman avg'd 5 assists as a rookie! It's a bit overstated that he can't run point! IMO he had less talent last year and was clearly looking to score more. He's a solid combo guard who should be able to play both guard spots for this team. Like most guards, even pros it's gonna take time to learn the system. Just look at how long it has taken vets to learn this system from Duhon to Felton to Billups! They all looked LOST when they 1st tried to run this system! MDA seemed impressed enough as did Walsh that this kid had the IQ and skill to run point here.

Shumpert does not need the ball to be effective, making him a solid complement to the Knicks’ three stars. Although he is considered more of a combination guard than a true point, Walsh said Shumpert has the requisite playmaking skills. The Knicks need an eventual heir to Billups, who will be 35 next season.

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”

Walsh said that Shumpert is also a better shooter than his reputation suggests and shot well during his workout for the team

“His shot’s not broken,” Walsh said, adding, “He has good form.”

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11/3/2011  8:23 AM
Well, if he could actually turn into a solid PG, we would really be set. Instead of Chris Paul or Deron, we could focus on Howard. A lineup of Shump, Fields, Melo, Amare, and Howard would dominate the league for the next 5-7 years, and would probably be one of the greatst NBA teams ever assembled.
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11/3/2011  9:56 AM
Asking a rook to step in as a starting PG in a system that strained someone like CB is asking an awful lot.

I'd rather settle for Deron(or)CP3 AND Dwight. Maybe Dolan getting that done is as likely as Shump working out as a starting rook PG with this coach.

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jrodmc wrote:Asking a rook to step in as a starting PG in a system that strained someone like CB is asking an awful lot.

I'd rather settle for Deron(or)CP3 AND Dwight. Maybe Dolan getting that done is as likely as Shump working out as a starting rook PG with this coach.

you really think the owners are going to broker a deal that would essentially allow 3 super stars one one team ( despite rev sharing). I thought that was a big part of the problem.

Billups did have problems with mikes offense, simple because in his 10/11 yr career, he's never played in a style quite like that. Try teaching a 20 yr old about computers, and a 60 yr old..See who cathes on quicker..

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11/3/2011  10:57 AM

Chauns said he wanted to be in shape for his full MDA season and its a contract year for him.

So look for him to be in tippy top form. Dude is a consumate professional. His words have meaning.

Its good we have cap space. Its something knick fans can always look forward to when things are not going as hoped.

Not to piss on anyones corn flakes, but it happens.

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11/3/2011  11:54 AM
CB can and should be better in his 2nd go round in this system. PG's really do have to think the game differently in this system and it takes some time to adjust. Not every PG is going to be successful in this system. Obviously the highest level is what Nash accomplished but when you look at many other PG's that have played for Mike you can see that they've shown improvement. CB should get better and in time perhaps Iman can learn to run the system at his own level.

From what Walsh and MDA have said Iman looked capable in his workouts so I'm hopeful. IMO If they didn't see potential in Iman they likely would've taken Singleton! They view Iman as a PG 1st and SG 2nd. I think his flexibility really helps this team. Iman can play next to any of our backcourt players and that's a plus.

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11/3/2011  1:05 PM
Nalod wrote:
Chauns said he wanted to be in shape for his full MDA season and its a contract year for him.

So look for him to be in tippy top form. Dude is a consumate professional. His words have meaning.

Its good we have cap space. Its something knick fans can always look forward to when things are not going as hoped.

Not to piss on anyones corn flakes, but it happens.

Thank You for your contribution to the forum, these are the kind of posts I would prefer over videos, constant jokes, and etcs.
(no sarcasm)

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11/3/2011  1:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Asking a rook to step in as a starting PG in a system that strained someone like CB is asking an awful lot.

I'd rather settle for Deron(or)CP3 AND Dwight. Maybe Dolan getting that done is as likely as Shump working out as a starting rook PG with this coach.

you really think the owners are going to broker a deal that would essentially allow 3 super stars one one team ( despite rev sharing). I thought that was a big part of the problem.

Billups did have problems with mikes offense, simple because in his 10/11 yr career, he's never played in a style quite like that. Try teaching a 20 yr old about computers, and a 60 yr old..See who cathes on quicker..

Poor analogy, (trying to compare styles to not playing at all, while overlooking 10/11 years playing other pro styles?) but I get your point. Iman might have the advantage of being the blank slate, pro style-wise, but I think it's the extremely rare occurrence for a rook to come in and start at PG. In certain roles you can get away with it (Fields), but I think PG is a different animal.

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11/3/2011  2:35 PM
jrodmc wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Asking a rook to step in as a starting PG in a system that strained someone like CB is asking an awful lot.

I'd rather settle for Deron(or)CP3 AND Dwight. Maybe Dolan getting that done is as likely as Shump working out as a starting rook PG with this coach.

you really think the owners are going to broker a deal that would essentially allow 3 super stars one one team ( despite rev sharing). I thought that was a big part of the problem.

Billups did have problems with mikes offense, simple because in his 10/11 yr career, he's never played in a style quite like that. Try teaching a 20 yr old about computers, and a 60 yr old..See who cathes on quicker..

Poor analogy, (trying to compare styles to not playing at all, while overlooking 10/11 years playing other pro styles?) but I get your point. Iman might have the advantage of being the blank slate, pro style-wise, but I think it's the extremely rare occurrence for a rook to come in and start at PG. In certain roles you can get away with it (Fields), but I think PG is a different animal.

Iman would most likely start off by taking some pressure off CB by bringing the ball up and starting the set but on many plays CB would still be able to take control. Teams have done this before. It will all depend on how fast Iman picks up the PnR. The kid has been a PG for his entire career. He's talked about having to get used playing off the ball when he's been so used to being ball dominant. He's more of a PG than people are giving him credit for. As I've pointed out the kid avg'd 5 assists as a rookie!

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