CrushAlot wrote:Al_Iannazzone Al Iannazzone
Hunter said Jim Dolan, Mark Cuban, Micky Arison among owners who were ready to make a deal....

yep. really this lockout comes down to the summer of 2010 and the Melo deal. Heat, Mavs, Knicks ready to deal. Suns, Denver, Cleveland all lost superstars and among the hardest line teams who are saying "they can't compete."

So, basically the NBA is blowing up a season because Cleveland and Phoenix are being cry babies.

Seriously, Dan Gilbert, the Cavs owner, led negotiations today. SMFH

I think Hunter has a point about Stern and the owners following a script. The rift seems bigger than it was prior to the moderator getting involved. Fisher, Hunter and Kessler all are reacting like they were ambushed today.

CrushAlot wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Union attorney Jeff Kessler: "Something happened in that Board of Governors meeting. Yesterday we thought we were moving toward a deal..."

I think Hunter has a point about Stern and the owners following a script. The rift seems bigger than it was prior to the moderator getting involved. Fisher, Hunter and Kessler all are reacting like they were ambushed today.

i think at the BoG meeting Stern said they were close to a deal if they moved over 50% on the BRI and certain hardline owners went ballistic. and that's why Stern didn't go to the mediation today and Gilbert and Paul Allen played major roles.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Union attorney Jeff Kessler: "Something happened in that Board of Governors meeting. Yesterday we thought we were moving toward a deal..."

I think Hunter has a point about Stern and the owners following a script. The rift seems bigger than it was prior to the moderator getting involved. Fisher, Hunter and Kessler all are reacting like they were ambushed today.

i think at the BoG meeting Stern said they were close to a deal if they moved over 50% on the BRI and certain hardline owners went ballistic. and that's why Stern didn't go to the mediation today and Gilbert and Paul Allen played major roles.

see?

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Kessler says union was told Paul Allen was at meeting "to express the views of the other members of the Board of Governors."

I saw that. I agree with your points but I am not sure about Stern bowing out. He seems to thrive on attention and power.

i honestly think stern wanted to make a deal today and was voted down by his hawk owners.

these guys are billionaires who are used to bowling their way into getting everything they want. it's the way america works for them, why not the nba, too.

everything i saw from stern is that he was negotiating in good faith. i GUARANTEE in the next 24 hours we see a story that questions whether stern was not sick but disgusted with the sarvers, dan gilberts, paul allens of the ownership side. and, worse, i wonder whether the owners move today was to permanently disenfranchise david stern.

ByTimReynolds Tim Reynolds
by HPbasketball
Jarrett Jack, when he heard the news that talks broke off: "Tell me you're not serious."
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I really don't know why this is such a surprise to some.

They really not messing around. Dolan loses more than the smaller teams but this is not just a league of a few big cities.

I want a resolution as much as anyone but demonizing either side is pointless.

Its not a script, it was an effort. Owners have an agenda an sticking to it.

Y'all might not agree but this was fore told 2 years ago.

Nalod wrote:
Stern and others for two years said they prepared to go without a season.

I really don't know why this is such a surprise to some.

They really not messing around. Dolan loses more than the smaller teams but this is not just a league of a few big cities.

I want a resolution as much as anyone but demonizing either side is pointless.

Its not a script, it was an effort. Owners have an agenda an sticking to it.

Y'all might not agree but this was fore told 2 years ago.

@AlexKennedyNBA: The NBPA isn't happy with Spurs' owner Peter Holt. told the players, "You haven't felt enough pain yet."

yes, this is all pre-planned by the owners. and the hawk owners are the ones who have nothing to play for and a lot of bitterness towards certain free agents.

surprised? no.

disgusted? yes.

“As a follow up to the NBA’s and NBA Players Association agreeing to my invitation to conduct negotiations under the auspices of the FMCS, three days of mediation have taken place. During this period, a wide variety of issues were addressed in a professional, thoughtful manner, consistent with what one would expect to take place in a constructive collective bargaining setting.

“Regrettably, however, the parties have not achieved an overall agreement, nor have they been able to resolve the strongly held, competing positions that separated them on core issues.

“In these circumstances, after carefully reviewing all of the events that have transpired, it is the considered judgment of myself and Deputy Director Scot Beckenbaugh, who has been engaged with me throughout this process, that no useful purpose would be served by requesting the parties to continue the mediation process at this time. For our part, the Agency has advised the parties that we will be willing and prepared to continue to facilitate any future discussions upon their mutual request.”

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/20/mediator-says-%E2%80%9Cno-useful-purpose%E2%80%9D-to-continue-labor-talks/

crzymdups wrote:sigh. i feel bad for the players in this. whiny cry baby owners like dan gilbert are gonna take away 20% or more of some of these players career earnings by this. think about this - the owners are predominantly billionaires. they'll lose money on the lockout, but their overhead goes way down, too. they'll layoff employees, don't have to pay players. players on the other hand have 5-10 yr careers if they are lucky. losing a whole season is huge for them and the owners know it.

ByTimReynolds Tim Reynolds
by HPbasketball
Jarrett Jack, when he heard the news that talks broke off: "Tell me you're not serious."
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply