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jrodmc
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10/5/2011  2:22 PM
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Vmart wrote:I don't understand why the players feel so entitled. Just how much did the Melo and LeBrons of the world shell out to own their teams? $0, If I'm the owners I tell these bitches to F off. The players didn't shell out $250 million or $500 million or more to own a team. Another group of players will come along that will play for a lot less money and still give 100% effort for the love of the game.

Maybe the owners and the players can each start their own new leagues. I'll start watching the players' league with guys like Lebron, Wade, and Dirk. You can stick with the owners and watch whatever product guys like James Dolan can put on the court.

good luck with watching a players league... after those clowns pay themselves, they won't have enough money for refs, or a place to play.. LOL

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10/5/2011  2:51 PM
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Vmart wrote:I don't understand why the players feel so entitled. Just how much did the Melo and LeBrons of the world shell out to own their teams? $0, If I'm the owners I tell these bitches to F off. The players didn't shell out $250 million or $500 million or more to own a team. Another group of players will come along that will play for a lot less money and still give 100% effort for the love of the game.

Maybe the owners and the players can each start their own new leagues. I'll start watching the players' league with guys like Lebron, Wade, and Dirk. You can stick with the owners and watch whatever product guys like James Dolan can put on the court.

I am not watching NBA games if they fill it with a bunch of D-leaguers. I want to see amazing players doing amazing things, not some glorified college game. That is why I don't watch the NCAA games. I wish the players had the balls to start their own league, but I just don't think they will go through with it. THe sides are only like $40-$60 million apart now, so I anticipate a deal will get done.

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10/5/2011  3:13 PM
I read somewhere a few weeks back that all the NBA's losses the last 5 years have come from only 2 Teams. the rest have made sizable profits. the Kings were 1 team and I forgot the other. I don't have a link as I read this about a month ago. If that was the case... juse get rid of the 2 teams or move them to other cities if there is no demand for basketball there.

Also... NBA is including Arena costs in it's cost structure to the players... but the players get no percentage of any arena sales.
So in effect the owners want the players to share the cost of maintaining, upgrading, & building stadiums and do not want to share any profits from those venues wit the players.
BRI = Basketball related income...

Not to mention that Stern screwed up a TV deal that would have made them an extra 600Million dollars had it been negotiated properly.
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10/5/2011  4:06 PM
TheGame wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't understand why the players feel so entitled. Just how much did the Melo and LeBrons of the world shell out to own their teams? $0, If I'm the owners I tell these bitches to F off. The players didn't shell out $250 million or $500 million or more to own a team. Another group of players will come along that will play for a lot less money and still give 100% effort for the love of the game.

Maybe the owners and the players can each start their own new leagues. I'll start watching the players' league with guys like Lebron, Wade, and Dirk. You can stick with the owners and watch whatever product guys like James Dolan can put on the court.

I am not watching NBA games if they fill it with a bunch of D-leaguers. I want to see amazing players doing amazing things, not some glorified college game. That is why I don't watch the NCAA games. I wish the players had the balls to start their own league, but I just don't think they will go through with it. THe sides are only like $40-$60 million apart now, so I anticipate a deal will get done.


they don't have the balls.. starting your own league takes sacrifice, unselfishness, something most of these cats don't display.. they would have to take lower salaries knowing the guys after them would truly benefit.. we know that would never happen.. every player would be in it for the cash only.. I wouldn't doubt the quality of basketball goes down as well...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/5/2011  4:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2011  4:11 PM
nyvector16 wrote:I read somewhere a few weeks back that all the NBA's losses the last 5 years have come from only 2 Teams. the rest have made sizable profits. the Kings were 1 team and I forgot the other. I don't have a link as I read this about a month ago. If that was the case... juse get rid of the 2 teams or move them to other cities if there is no demand for basketball there.

Also... NBA is including Arena costs in it's cost structure to the players... but the players get no percentage of any arena sales.
So in effect the owners want the players to share the cost of maintaining, upgrading, & building stadiums and do not want to share any profits from those venues wit the players.
BRI = Basketball related income...

Not to mention that Stern screwed up a TV deal that would have made them an extra 600Million dollars had it been negotiated properly.


think of it this way. when someone opens a business, it doesn't matter if they buy their space to do business or lease it, there is still a cost... they have to account for this.. I am tired of this talk that the owners are asking the players to cover their expenses.. I mean take away the building, and all the other expenses and where do the players play? and they are sharing in the revenue from the building.. they are getting paid from ticket sales.. sales to where? yes, to access the arena! they are not playing at the YMCA......

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/5/2011  9:14 PM
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't understand why the players feel so entitled. Just how much did the Melo and LeBrons of the world shell out to own their teams? $0, If I'm the owners I tell these bitches to F off. The players didn't shell out $250 million or $500 million or more to own a team. Another group of players will come along that will play for a lot less money and still give 100% effort for the love of the game.

Maybe the owners and the players can each start their own new leagues. I'll start watching the players' league with guys like Lebron, Wade, and Dirk. You can stick with the owners and watch whatever product guys like James Dolan can put on the court.

You can watch LeBRon when he is 40+ and can't seem to walk away from the game because he owns the team. You don't think LeBron and Wade and whoever isn't gonna have to deal with the same shyt that these owners deal with.


What? By the time Lebron is 40, there will be other exciting 25 year olds. The point is that the excitement, the attraction, and the power and hence the leverage are all with the players, not the owners.
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10/5/2011  9:43 PM
A 50 percent share would be the players’ lowest “since the early 1990s,” Fisher and Hunter asserted, and is “simply not a fair split.”

Merry Christmas, Bonn.

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10/5/2011  10:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2011  10:00 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
A 50 percent share would be the players’ lowest “since the early 1990s,” Fisher and Hunter asserted, and is “simply not a fair split.”

Merry Christmas, Bonn.


Well it was like pulling teeth to get you to provide even one quote but I thank you for finally being willing to do it.
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10/6/2011  11:10 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't understand why the players feel so entitled. Just how much did the Melo and LeBrons of the world shell out to own their teams? $0, If I'm the owners I tell these bitches to F off. The players didn't shell out $250 million or $500 million or more to own a team. Another group of players will come along that will play for a lot less money and still give 100% effort for the love of the game.

Maybe the owners and the players can each start their own new leagues. I'll start watching the players' league with guys like Lebron, Wade, and Dirk. You can stick with the owners and watch whatever product guys like James Dolan can put on the court.

You can watch LeBRon when he is 40+ and can't seem to walk away from the game because he owns the team. You don't think LeBron and Wade and whoever isn't gonna have to deal with the same shyt that these owners deal with.


What? By the time Lebron is 40, there will be other exciting 25 year olds. The point is that the excitement, the attraction, and the power and hence the leverage are all with the players, not the owners.

Do you really think it will take until Lebro is 40 to see other exciting 25 year olds? And if the leverage is with the players, then why are we not watching basketball right now?

Oh yes, I forgot, TV is also a rigged system against that ever-beleagured, underpaid, overly conceding player's "union"
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10/6/2011  11:34 AM
Question: Do the players give to the owner's 50% of their advertising and endorsement income?
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10/6/2011  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2011  12:50 PM
Panos wrote:Question: Do the players give to the owner's 50% of their advertising and endorsement income?

Wow. +1

Unfortunately, this comment will breed a whole new line of logic that Players should then also be able to pass along unplanned for expenses to ownership, like broken G6 Gulfstream windshields, messy divorce settlements, messy limo driver settlements, bad portfolio management, agent abuses, etc...
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10/6/2011  1:19 PM
Panos wrote:Question: Do the players give to the owner's 50% of their advertising and endorsement income?

probably not, but it's the same with the owners too, right?

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10/6/2011  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2011  1:28 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:Question: Do the players give to the owner's 50% of their advertising and endorsement income?

Wow. +1

Unfortunately, this comment will breed a whole new line of logic that Players should then also be able to pass along unplanned for expenses to ownership, like broken G6 Gulfstream windshields, messy divorce settlements, messy limo driver settlements, bad portfolio management, agent abuses, etc...

Breed a whole new line indeed... and you are the proud papa!

Snark aside, it's a good question and fair point if it's rhetorical.

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10/6/2011  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2011  1:53 PM
I'm glad the players are holding out. I am a huge fan and want to see basketball. But to me, owners are worthless and no one even cares to know who they are and most suck anyway. The players are where the value is. They inspire. A lot of money is being made. Pay the men their worth. Until they get what they are worth (based on what is made) I'm not mad at them for playing it this way. They're not sharecroppers. They are the men that millions of people (internationally) pay to see play. Until the owners and whoever else respects that I say do what's best. They are players BUT they are also business men. Hats off to them.
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10/6/2011  2:02 PM
Not every player has endorsement deals worth big bucks. It's an elite few that have that. This is ridiculous how some think all these players are rich. Many are in for a very short time and have to get every dime they can.
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10/6/2011  2:03 PM
Yeah, I'm really glad the players are holding out while being locked out. It's great. It's adds so much more to the meaning of hockey and humanity. Thank you God for the Yankees and the Giants (this year, anyway). Instead of watching Shump turn into the next version of Clyde, and finally watching the Big Two gel, we get to focus on more interesting things, like:
Steve Jobs
Game show contestants
The Mets thread
Book reviews
Random animals in the background of NSFW Alba pics

And yet another slave reference made about a select few hundred of people playing a sport for insane amounts of money. Yeah, they sure aren't sharecroppers. And they're not sweatshop workers, either. Or illegal child labor, either. Or union scab workers. Or any other stupid comparative, worker-type analogy that has nothing to do with the reality of this particular situation.
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10/6/2011  2:42 PM

They sharecropping millions!

"Most owners suck"?

But.......

We got a model were the owners lay out all the capital and make the investments, and players bring their considerable talents to the league withut any competitiion and then give over 50% in REVENUE to the players, then payout all the rest of the salaries, private jets, best hotels, build gyms, fund community programs, best training facilities, and service debt and freaking buy the goddamn balls! All the players have to do is tip the ball boys and locker room guys!
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10/6/2011  3:22 PM
"All the players have to do is tip the ball boys and locker room guys!"

Yup. And I'm not mad at that. Also they are not GIVEN over 50%, they do over 50% of the actual work. They actually define what the league even is. I'd love to see you guys pay money to go see Dolan and the fellas lace em up 41 times at the Garden.

Some of you guys are pretty silly by the way.

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10/6/2011  3:33 PM
TheloniusMonk wrote:"All the players have to do is tip the ball boys and locker room guys!"

Yup. And I'm not mad at that. Also they are not GIVEN over 50%, they do over 50% of the actual work. They actually define what the league even is. I'd love to see you guys pay money to go see Dolan and the fellas lace em up 41 times at the Garden.

Some of you guys are pretty silly by the way.

Can the league go off off without the players? Of course not.

Can the players make this kind of money without the league and start their own?

Who is being silly now?
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10/6/2011  3:37 PM
They do over 50% of the actual work? Where did you get that statistic from? You take all the people employed by the league, the arena, the teams, the management, and you figure that the players are doing 50% of the work?
Work, as you call it, playing basketball. Practicing basketball. Training for basketball. Oh yeah, watching film.
Are they cleaning out 50% of the toilets? Selling 50% of the concessions? Cleaning 50% of the floor when they're done "working"?
They're called players for a reason.

Some of you guys have a pretty weird grip on reality.
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