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10/4/2011  8:34 AM
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but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?

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10/4/2011  9:13 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.
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10/4/2011  9:17 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?

Do you know Jerry Seinfield?

The entire point of my above post had to do with relatibility. The "plight" of the players is as foreign to me as the owner's.

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10/4/2011  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2011  9:19 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

In many industries, there are also gigantic signing bonuses.
Plainly put, I guarantee the players would LOVE to have the kind of free market system that actors or any one else operates under but the owners would never allow it. They demand a rigged system.
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10/4/2011  9:19 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?

Do you know Jerry Seinfield?

The entire point of my above post had to do with relatibility. The "plight" of the players is as foreign to me as the owner's.


Are you asking yourself if you know Jerry Seinfeld?
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10/4/2011  9:22 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?

Do you know Jerry Seinfield?

The entire point of my above post had to do with relatibility. The "plight" of the players is as foreign to me as the owner's.


Are you asking yourself if you know Jerry Seinfeld?

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10/4/2011  9:23 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

I think you realize which post I meant to quote, but I meant this one anyway

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10/4/2011  9:41 AM
nixluva wrote:Let's back up a bit. The players didn't start this and were happy to exist under the current CBA. The owners are the ones who are pushing the envelope to swing things far over to their benefit. In every instance the players are only playing defense and it's the owners who are looking to take ground. The players aren't making new demands, the owners are the ones lookin for bigger splits, shorter contracts, hard caps etc. The players aren't even saying that they won't budge on the split, in fact they've agreed to take less, but the owners have pushed it WAY too far. I just don't see how the players can be bashed in this argument. Would you like it if your boss said you had to take a huge pay cut, less vacation days and put a cap on your salary?

Economies change and like any Owner will tell you you need to change to the economic climate that is currently going on. I'm sure owners would love to keep the same system as much as the players (employees) would want it. But circumstances change and not everyone can have cake all the time.
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10/4/2011  10:49 AM
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The commish for any league works for he owners.

He is off the hook because he is the spokesman for them. Union works for the Players.

So "Blame" is not releveant here.

And dont think the old owners don't care about how the leveraged teams are doing, they do. ITs very important the values of the teams stay up.

Stern does not approave the numbers, the owners vote on it.

What about the current CBA which he negotiated and convinced owners to take? If it's such a bad deal that they have to make such major changes, how is Stern not on the hook for some of that blame?

What about the TV deal that Stern took credit for? Many questioned the TV deal when Stern made it and it seems that he made a mistake in making the deal so long. Now he has no way of leveraging the outstanding BB and high ratings that have happened in recent years.

The league has done very well under the past CBA in terms of team values. There doesn't seem to be a need to do anything different in that regard. Team values have a lot more to do with location and then the teams record and if they have stars people are excited to see. Aside from moving teams to better cities, nothing much can be done to change the biggest part of the teams value which is location.

Stern has a lot more power than you're giving him credit for and blame is a "relevant" question.

Im not sure where Stern is blamed for the contracts with Television. NBA owners have to approve any deal Stern signs on their behalf. The recession has hurt some markets. If its self inflicted so be it. Who is right or who is wrong is not of consequence, this is about who has the leverage. Owners feel their model is not working so they are making steps to fix it. Some won't like it, but its their league and their problem to fix. Someone on these forums said it very well to that effect (wish I remembered who, but I don't want to take credit for that statement).


to me, that is the issue right there nalod.. some feel since the owners signed a bad deal that those rich fools should continue to operate under a bad deal since they have done so in the past.. well that deal is over, and they are looking to make a huge change in the way they do business.. I gave an example of a landlord that signs a year lease to rent out his home.. after a few months he figures out that he is losing money and maybe should have charged more rent... Yet as a good landlord he continues to abide by his agreement and when the lease is up, he tells the tenants he will have to increase the rent a bit... That is his choice, he has that right... The tenants may scream that he can manage his finances better and whatnot, but in the end, he has the right to go up on his lease.... now I know this is not a perfect example, but my point is, the owners saw a flaw in their deal, stuck by the old CBA and now are ready to change it.. I don't blame them..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/4/2011  10:53 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:It's funny how nixluva is so pro-player meanwhile the players could care less about nixluva or anyone else who supports them. All they care about is their money. They don't care about the fans or the season starting on time. They want what they feel they "deserve". Funny how spoiled these guys are considering football players make 1/3 of what NBA players make in their career and risk their lives every damn game doing it. And even they had a lockout and managed to resolve it quickly. NBA players are spoiled crybabies. 57% is an absolute joke. The fact they don't want to go lower than 53% is a bigger joke. So much entitlement from guys who are rich BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS.

I'm sick and tired of this whole thing. I don't even want to read one lockout story anymore. I'm done with all these idiots fighting about splitting millions of dollars amongst themselves. What an incredibly boring subject. Why should I care about this? I just want basketball. I really cannot wait to talk about actual basketball again, rather than what some rich people are going to do with millions of dollars.


I am with you 100%... the NBA players on average are the highest paid in any sport in the world.. Yet you hear stupid azz comments like "draconian deals".. I mean really? the players are trying to use the "slave" card here and it is sickening... I was sympathetic with NFL players because those guys are playing on Non-guaranteed deals, in a sport where they are having mini-car accidents every few seconds.. I can understand their concerns.... And NBA player can sign a 50 mil deal, go home and slip on their kids tonka truck, never play again and collect 50 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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Childs2Dudley wrote:It's funny how nixluva is so pro-player meanwhile the players could care less about nixluva or anyone else who supports them. All they care about is their money. They don't care about the fans or the season starting on time. They want what they feel they "deserve". Funny how spoiled these guys are considering football players make 1/3 of what NBA players make in their career and risk their lives every damn game doing it. And even they had a lockout and managed to resolve it quickly. NBA players are spoiled crybabies. 57% is an absolute joke. The fact they don't want to go lower than 53% is a bigger joke. So much entitlement from guys who are rich BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS.

I'm sick and tired of this whole thing. I don't even want to read one lockout story anymore. I'm done with all these idiots fighting about splitting millions of dollars amongst themselves. What an incredibly boring subject. Why should I care about this? I just want basketball. I really cannot wait to talk about actual basketball again, rather than what some rich people are going to do with millions of dollars.

"they are rich because of the owners." wrong. they are rich because of the fans and sponsors. the owners are in it to get rich too -- they just broker the deal between the fans and players.

NFL revenue split is 48% after last lockout and players almost walked out at 46% which is funny. that being said, NBA is a much more star driven league -- i'd watch college hoops if i just cared about backdoor cuts and 60-58 games. i don't -- i watch so i can see lebron, wade, kobe, etc. also, in a negotiation with billions of dollars at stake, its a somewhat crazy proposition to drop from 57% to 46%.

kobe apparently just signed in italy. these guys should follow his lead and try to go overseas and support themselves this year. sit out the whole season and have the owners lose even more money if they are so desperate they'll come back to the table ready to make a deal.

childs, its hard to have sympathy on owners who claim that their year to year profits are down but franchises are getting sold for hundreds of millions more than current valuations -- what gives? these guys don't get into it to make a few million bucks every year, they get into it so that they can sell it 10 years down the line and make 5x their money back. they are doing that -- yet claiming they are broke!

the stars deserve to get paid like stars. there should be no mid level exception -- don't pay middling one-dimensional guys as stars. luke walton makes $8 mil/yr, amir johnson $7 mil a year, etc. pay the stars like stars and pay everyone else $1-4 million. its those middle of the road deals that ruin salary cap situations and cause teams to lose $$$.

I agree with that, and I am sure the owners do as well.. the problem is the union is filled with more of those guys than the star players.. by far.. LOL

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/4/2011  11:12 AM
Nalod wrote:Nix, the owners have made mistakes. They see the current model as failing and current pay scale not sustainable.

At the end of the day the business of basketball is a business of entertainment and not a consumer staple. The recession has hit teams hard and most are unable to pass along substantial price increases to keep up with inflation and other rising costs. NBA competes with other sports, theatre and other events for the entertainment dollar. If no NBA, the dollar will be spent.

The palaces built for the teams also are the stages by which the players perform on. The platform called "the NBA" also provides the players with countless opportunities to make money thru endorsements. Every game is televised and star players are shown on a national and international stage which builds their brand. Star players can earn more in endorsements.

Jordan made his uber salary at a time when he was both a box office superstar and almost guaranteed to place the Bulls deep in the finals. The NBA in the playoffs were prime time and HIS ratings were great. If a sitcom like Seinfeld which was on for 26 half hour episodes drew crazy numbers think about Jordans star power to deliver ratings thru the season. A Thanksgiving day game? Christmas day game? Allstar game? Say 5-6 marquee matchups in the season, and then the playoffs. The finals if goes 5 games is prime time. Thats 14 national games right there. Games are 2 hours a piece. The ratings are not "seinfeld" like but you get the picture. That's 4 times longer than a half hour game. I am leaving out other games of course on like TNT and WGN had that national presence in that time broadcasting games on cable nationwide. Jordan was worth all of his 30 million. BTW, he got paid 30 33mil on his last two years with the Bulls. Championships 5 and 6! Lebron has yet to deliver one nor the interest that was Jordan. By colluding and moving to Miami he reduced his brand and hurt the image of the NBA. He hurt the value of one franchise by moving. Much like Shaq did when he left Orlando.

Players step into a league already in place that they did not have to pay into to join. They can earn substantial wealth with no financial risk out of pocket. With no alternative in place they are not in a position of power.


very well said nalod.. and I would like to add, that the NBA is not just the players, but as you said, the product as a whole is what we buy? my friend and I used to own Atlanta Hawks season tickets, I am a huge basketball fan, He isn't.. He went not to really watch the games, but to enjoy the atmosphere and Oh, watch some of the game in between beers and steak kabobs while chillin in the lounge for season ticket holders.. .It is an experience.... No one is paying to watch kevin Duran play at Dykman or rucker.. NO ONE!!! but we will pay to watch him at MSG or any other arena... This is what the owners provide.... The players are never at risk financially. The only risk they have are physical risk, and that is completely taken care of with the guaranteed deals they sign....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/4/2011  11:14 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

so if seinfeld got sick and could not work again, would he still get his 2mil per episode? if lebron never played another game, he has 80 mil plus coming to him... I am sorry, seinfeld or anyone else is not getting that for not working!!!! NO ONE!!

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10/4/2011  11:17 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

In many industries, there are also gigantic signing bonuses.
Plainly put, I guarantee the players would LOVE to have the kind of free market system that actors or any one else operates under but the owners would never allow it. They demand a rigged system.

Only the star players would like that.. the other guys would not.. and if we were to determing a TRUE free market then would we not include the salaries of european players as well? I mean that is the only other place with a professional basketball league... at which point, a european team would have to offer kobe or lebron 50 mil a year to determine True market value.. not just some silly figure pulled out of think air...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

In many industries, there are also gigantic signing bonuses.
Plainly put, I guarantee the players would LOVE to have the kind of free market system that actors or any one else operates under but the owners would never allow it. They demand a rigged system.

Only the star players would like that.. the other guys would not.. and if we were to determing a TRUE free market then would we not include the salaries of european players as well? I mean that is the only other place with a professional basketball league... at which point, a european team would have to offer kobe or lebron 50 mil a year to determine True market value.. not just some silly figure pulled out of think air...


Do you have any evidence that role players would make less in a free market? I don't see how they could. For example, in our current system perhaps an NBA owner calculates that Wilson Chandler will bring in enough revenues that he can offer him a $3.5 mil per year contract. If instead we had a free market, why would that owner no longer think that Wilson Chandler would produce enough revenues to warrant a $3.5 mil salary? Chandler is the same player with the same productivity.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
but I don't know anyone who has both job security and gets paid competitively.

I'm not an attorney but as I understand it there are two broad kinds of employment contracts:
A) at-will contracts, which means you can be fired at any time for any or no reason;
B) contracts with guaranteed time periods, which means you can only fire the person during the contract period for a breach of contract. Any two parties can sign a guaranteed contract at any level of payment. It's not only underpaid people. I'd be willing to bet that the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does.

Do you know anyone with a guaranteed contract from "the top law firms, actors, and others with rare talents make more in guaranteed contracts than the average NBA player does"?


If I remember correctly, Jerry Seinfeld was making $2 mil guaranteed per episode. $5 mil or whatever the average NBA salary is is POCKET CHANGE compared to what the top individuals in many industries make from guaranteed contracts.

In many industries, there are also gigantic signing bonuses.
Plainly put, I guarantee the players would LOVE to have the kind of free market system that actors or any one else operates under but the owners would never allow it. They demand a rigged system.

Only the star players would like that.. the other guys would not.. and if we were to determing a TRUE free market then would we not include the salaries of european players as well? I mean that is the only other place with a professional basketball league... at which point, a european team would have to offer kobe or lebron 50 mil a year to determine True market value.. not just some silly figure pulled out of think air...


Do you have any evidence that role players would make less in a free market? I don't see how they could. For example, in our current system perhaps an NBA owner calculates that Wilson Chandler will bring in enough revenues that he can offer him a $3.5 mil per year contract. If instead we had a free market, why would that owner no longer think that Wilson Chandler would produce enough revenues to warrant a $3.5 mil salary? Chandler is the same player with the same productivity.

there is only so much money to go around.. the lower players would make less money if the stars are eating up the cap space.... if kobe made 45 mil.. you can bet that luke walton doesn't sniff his current salary.. not even close..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/4/2011  3:43 PM
Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!!
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These new breed of owners are money gobling brats. Forget morals, tradition, loyalty, dedication and respect. The owners in the smaller markets are getting killed. When onwers and gm's start trading players for cap purpose's (something you hardly see in any sport) they claim it's a business decision, but then you look at last years FA class, and the way the star players held some of there current teams hostage. you better believe the onwers were going to change that fast...Just like the 150 mill KG contract that resulted in the last lockout

Right now in those negotioning sessions you have owners, lawyers, players, union leaders and accountants..None of these idiots specialize in negotiating..If I can recall correctly, The super star agent DAVID FALK was a key aspect in negotiation that 1999 deal, at least helping to bridge the gap.

Listen to what these agent are saying now, righting memo's warning players not to budge off of the 57% they were getting, They want billy hunter out, they want to decertify the union, players funds get cut, so will there agents %

I also disagree with the thought that NBA players are the highest paid athletes. There is only 30 to 50 stars in the league..The NFL were getting sick to there stomach with rookies coming in with 60 million guaranteed contracts before they took one snap..ala tebow.

when you put it all in prospective, things needed to change regardless, it's just sad that there no real negotiaters on hand to do it..

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More support for my stance in this thread.

According to one owner, his peers would talk of how they have grown tired of David Stern but it would fade away once he walked through the door.

“All of a sudden, all these rich, powerful guys are just staring at their shoes,” the owner said.

Despite the suggestions that Stern has lost clout, particularly with a new generation of owners, several sources insist he has ruled labor talks with players.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
http://Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/215852/Sources_Stern_Has_Driven_Owners_Demands_In_Talks#ixzz1ZqVDSaGW

Stern is the guy directing these things and so how does he escape blame for the poor state of the league financially. They just came off one of the best seasons financially in terms of revenue. Despite the reports of teams losing money. The total revenue was up and so it goes to mismanagement as the reason for the financial problems and not the players themselves.

Stern set limits on players salaries in the current CBA so why is there a problem financially? Mismanagement. This isn't about greedy players, they gave ground last CBA and are willing to give ground this time. I defy anyone to disprove that fact and find fault with the players.
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10/4/2011  4:32 PM
just want to chime in that there is no place in the cba where it says anything about giving guaranteed contracts. it is something that is negotiated for and the owners have given. the owners don't have to give anyone a guaranteed contract and they don't have to give anyone a crazy amount of money. they just can't help but get in their own way.

this is what rich ppl do because well, they can.
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