Vector don't ride me fool. He is supposed to be the administrator! As far as my post they are for from ignorant because i thought them out! dont agree? fine. But the trade is at best lateral and at worst dumb. TT is not it man plain and simple! I would have lived with kvh. Isiah is a phony! you can fall for it if you want. I like the marbury deal and thats it. I dont trust Zeke! period. Neither do the players! period. he is out for zeke! Now what was marbury known for his whole career? And what has all this trades done for the so called chemistry of this team. I'll tell you! with 25 games left there is none... IF refering to some one as an ignorant slut is fun, then why are my "fun" post deleted? Because he can dish it but he can't take it. And vect you sound more stupid than anyone on this forum! I'v read some of your post. and your not a thinker at all. peace

There's no use crying over spilt milk now. KVH is gone, tho I would contend that "damn, that white boy could jump!"...

I for one am kind of excited about seeing these two new guys on the floor; we'll probably take a step back in chemistry in the short term and maybe take a loss or 3.

Given similar minutes to KVH, it looks like Thomas should be good for close to 16ppg/5.5rpg--- let's project a really great year for him at 18ppg/7rpg. I guess he might become our 4th scoring option, behind Marbury / Houston / Kurt Thomas...

Going back in time, we traded the "fantasy basketball giant" Anthony Mason for Larry Johnson. By my memory, I don't know if LJ ever managed to average 13ppg as a Knick. He played a role. The only problem is that we still seem to be in the market for a star.

Maybe he'll be a late bloomer, along the lines of Rasheed Wallace, or perhaps more specifically, a poor man's Rasheed Wallace.

THEN AGAIN... Rasheed Wallace (29), drafted 1 year earlier than Thomas, has had up and down stats all his career, emerging as a legit star by his 5th season, averaging 16.4/7. Wallace's numbers peaked at 19.3ppg/8.2rpg/1.75bpg, his 7th NBA season and have since fallen every year.

Thomas, started out in the NBA younger and less polished out of college, and only in the past 2 seasons, has risen to starter status, averaging 14.1ppg/4.9rpg in 32 minutes, in his 8th NBA season.

KO is right, Zeke said he loved KVH even while he was in college and now he traded him a way while he was having a superb season, for a punk who hasn't did anything worth trading for. Ha ha WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON WE WILL ALL FIND OUT WHO THE PHONEY'S ARE. If Ainge traded away 4 black players for white guy some of y'all would be shouting at the roof top, but the other way around it's so quiet you can hear a beetle peeing in the corner.

Posted by playa2:

KO is right, Zeke said he loved KVH even while he was in college and now he traded him a way while he was having a superb season, for a punk who hasn't did anything worth trading for.

Well, do you trade a player when you think they are playing way above their norm or when they are at their rock bottom?

The Knicks traded KVH at a point when people that he was doing very well and traded for a player how seems to not be living up to his potential. Most would say it was a trade of evens.

So, say KVH goes back to normal (dips a bit) and TT shows some promise... who wins.

Using the same anaology, and with 20/20 hindsight, I wish the Knicks would have traded Camby right after he had that breakout playoffs run.

Posted by simrud:

Aight, dramatics aside, here is my take on this trade:

Houston and Van Horn have very similar games. Both rely on the outside shot alot, like to iso on the wing and shoot over the defender 1 on 1. Both a re bad defenders, neither one cuts well, neither one finsihes well in trafic. Basically same player at 2 positions. Replace Van Horn with Thomas and we now have a guy who complements Houston, as he is a slasher, finisher, while still being just as much of a treah fron deep. This gives us balance, better spacing, more options.

Nazr is hands down better then Doleac. He is actually a real C as opposed to a 6 11 PF, which Dolac really is. We would rathe have Kurt executing the pick and roll with Steph over Doleac anyways, so loosing his touch is not that big of a deal. Nazr gives us toughness, boarding, and decent shotblocking. He can finish inside, can run for a C, and gets offensive boards. He gives us a very good option to replae Deke when the other team goes small because Nazr is quick. Plus he is still big and will punish the small teams on the boards, aka second chance pts.

So if this does work out well, and so far Iseah showed he knows a thing or two about basketball lol, the team is very well balanced and poised for a legitimate run in the playoffs.

Next year we are gonna get Sheed and hopefully will work Nazr into the staring role, because he has shown he is capable of 12 9 and 1 as a starter even earlier in his development. A starting five of Nazr, Sheed, TT, H20 and Steph is great. Now we might want to trade Thomas in the offseason for a better C. Maybe Dampier or Rasho. Then Nazr remains a backup and we have an even better C along the other 4 legitimate ballers.

First I want to say I like the trade because I think we picked up good POTENTIAL - if these guys live up to it we're much better then we were. But the arguments about style of play are just NOT accurate. I've only found one location on the WEB that has stats about where players shoot from and it does NOT BACK UP your contention. Alan Houston takes 96% jump shots. Van Horn takes 66% jump shots. Van Horn takes 29% from in close - I asked the web hosts that's within 6-8 feet of the basket. He Dunks 4% of the time and tips in 1%. TT takes a higher percentage of jump shots 72% then KVH less shots inside 24% dunks less 3% and also tips in 1%. So the argument the KVH and Houston are the same type of players is NOT accurate and TT takes a higher percentage of Jump shots then KVH.

TT is also a weak defender and Soft. WHat I like about the trade is TT has the potential to be a good defender (though you have to wonder why after 7 years he's still weak) and we improved at center.

I like the potential of the trade - but I only think it improves us if the incoming players step up their games. At this point TT is a defensive liability no more of an inside player then KVH and a much worse rebounder.

I agree that we definitely improved at the center position.

The offensive system the bucks played under Karl and now Porter is the reason Tim was taking more outside shots. He can certainly score from close range.