jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

It's the patriotism police!

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dodger78 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

Man seriously... you are a guy who has decided never to leave his country cause the rest of the world is packed with terrorists and not worth the risk of leaving what you know even for a week right?! Seriously your so called "arguments" are so ridiculous Ill not even get into the basketball topic on this one...

Exactly when the f&*k did I mention terrorism? Work on your so called reading comprehension skills before you critique someone else's argumentation skills.

It's actually good that your not going to get into a basketball topic, since you read things that aren't there. Makes you awfully tough to argue with.

you don't think you took the first step in a slippery slope by bringing up the unrelated Patriotism angle?

So if you happen to prefer your country and the NBA (Canada not withstanding) over Turkey, you're automatically skiing down the black diamond with Dick Cheney's bodyguard company?

I guess that's a simple connection, really. Jeez, my mistake.

I'll ask you the same: so if you happen to prefer to play (or travel) outside the country, you're automatically not patriotic?

FML

I suppose promoting the American business agenda overseas makes me an infidel, both abroad and on my own soil

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK jrodmc, what is the difference if gets a serious injury in Turkish pro ball vs. some psycho bruiser scrub in a NBA preseason game? Hell, you can injure yourself falling down the stairs or playing with your kid. Injuries are part of life and the game, should he stay in a bubble until the lockout ends and he's one year older?

If I have to explain the difference between Turkish pro ball and the NBA preseason to you, sorry, but you're not worth talking to. Other players are organizing themselves and working out, which would include, I might hazard a guess, balling. Last I checked, there wasn't a law against balling right here in the US. For free.

He's going to Turkey to prove a point about money, not because he's a purist who can't find any game over here. Please.

You aren't worth talking to either, apparently.

See the rest of the thread.

SupremeCommander wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

Istanbul is pretty effing awesome.

I've lived in three other countries and travelled to a quite a few more. I work as an expat, and promote American ideals and business norms. I've trained more than a few to do business our way.

What exactly have you done to promote, advance, and maintain our relevance, interests, civil liberties, and freedoms?

YOU DON't need to leave this country to do that...

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

jrodmc wrote:He's this desperate for quality burn, or is he this desperate for cash? He made $16 million last year. You do the math.

You need to go to Turkey to prove a point? Watch some psycho bruiser low bridge him and end his career.

Stupid.

Maybe he wants control of his destiny and not sit around the States in his prime "working out"? Being the first guy to say "whatever, I'm still gonna ball" is admirable to me.

Going to Turkey is controlling your destiny? Is that really a destination anyone gives a sh&t about? You can't ball without getting paid by some stupid foreign country B league? Where's your effing patriotism man?

Istanbul is pretty effing awesome.

I've lived in three other countries and travelled to a quite a few more. I work as an expat, and promote American ideals and business norms. I've trained more than a few to do business our way.

What exactly have you done to promote, advance, and maintain our relevance, interests, civil liberties, and freedoms?

YOU DON't need to leave this country to do that...

you're absolutely right. but nor do you need hide behind the blanket of freedom, suck on your thumb, and hurl ****

DrAlphaeus wrote:jrod, I just flat out disagree with your point of view.

You said Deron is "stupid" for going to Turkey because he could get hurt over there. I asked what's the difference between getting injured in Turkish pro ball and NBA preaseason, which to be honest wasn't the best question but it apparently did the job: reveal your very low opinion of Turkey and foreign countries in general. You said that if I don't get that difference that I wasn't worth talking to, so I took you for a troll.

However the real question is: what's the difference between an actual professional league with traveling and games and a league championship on the line versus some yet-to-be-revealed player-organized practice games/workouts/exhibitions. But your comments revealed why you think this is a stupid idea: because you think Turkey is a "stupid foreign country," so Deron playing there and risking injury is inherently stupid.

From the other Deron thread:

"People say, 'Oh, you're going to get hurt,'" Williams said. "I can get hurt playing at (University of San Diego) or wherever I'm at. I can get hurt walking down these steps. Of course, that's a big part of it. But I also did my due diligence, researched insurance. I'll be covered."

Some have speculated that Williams, who has made more than $40 million over his six-year career, is going overseas because he needs the money. He laughed at that notion.

"It's ridiculous," he said. "We've known this lockout's coming. I have plenty of money saved for the lockout purpose. Now, I don't even need to touch that money. I can invest that money. I can go grow that money. It's not something that's money-driven.

"It's more about the experience. Experience and being able to compete and play basketball. I don't want to sit around. That's what the NBA wants us to do right now. They locked us out of our gyms, they locked us out of facilities. We got to go find somewhere on our own to go hoop, to put games together. I don't have to do that. I've got a team. I'm going to go through organized practices. I'm going to be in game situations. So if the lockout is lifted, I'm going to be ready to play."

He makes the exact points I was trying to make. Now you can believe that he is lying, that is fine. But at the end of the day you think Turkey is "stupid" and I think that reveals your immaturity and isolationalism (save for Canada I guess). I wonder if it's all foreign countries or just the ones with crescents on their flags. But you know Turkey is a secular country and one of the birthplaces of Christianity, right? (I don't presume to know your particular religious or political point of view, just a fun fact about a place I imagine a couple people give a sh&t about.)

You might want to invest a little time researching the fate of Armenian Christians at the hands of Turkish death squads at the start of the twentieth century. Little known fact you global jaunting elites might want to site along with the "birthplaces of Chritianity" comments.

And just so I can troll along with you (I always find people amusing who maintain it's against "the rules" to insult anyone else while they call me a troll), I happen to have a tremendous amount of respect for the country of Turkey, some of their history notwithstanding. I just don't happen to think they measure up to my country. Simple statement of opinion. I'm sure Turks don't truly give a sh&t about what some stupid American thinks of their country, either.

DrAlphaeus wrote:
You question someone's patriotism for wanting to live and work beyond our borders for a little while? If that wasn't a joke, you are out of order. How can somebody truly say "the USA is the best place in the world" when they haven't been anywhere else?

How can somebody tell where someone else has been their entire life, because one expresses the opinion that his home country is better than another country? Your logic and powers of deduction are so highly "nuanced" they're beyond comprehension.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bringing "Dick Cheney" and "sharia law" into this is ridiculous, hyperbolic political rhetoric when I was discussing what sort of situation might best keep someone in basketball shape when YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY PRO LEAGUE BALL IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

If your geopolitical assessment of Turkey was a bit more nuanced than petty insults, maybe it would be worth getting more into these murky topics with you, but the "stupid" attitude of your posts above prove that would be a massive waste of my time.

Do us a favor: never leave the US. You sound like the type of guy that gives us who have the nerve to own passports a bad name.

Sorry, "us" (again, your choice of terms is so nuanced, yet ironic), but I've already been to Mexico, Canada, BVI, UK, and Ireland. Maybe that doesn't qualify me as one of those who have enough "nerve" to own a passport, but unfortunately for those of your "us" group, I already do.

I can still stand on the opinion that getting hurt playing Turkish basketball would be a stupid waste, no matter what the labor situation here. Especially for a player who I covet for my own team.

But wait, I forgot, this was a site devoted to global economics, free trade and the glories of the world at large. It couldn't possibly be about something as narrow and intolerantly un-nuanced as a particular NBA team in the greatest country on God's green earth.