CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks had Brewer last spring and D'Antoni said he couldn't guarantee him minutes. If Brewer can't play for your team why do you draft Shumpert?

Brewer SG/SF with no offensive game. Shumpert is a 1/2 with some offensive awareness.

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks had Brewer last spring and D'Antoni said he couldn't guarantee him minutes. If Brewer can't play for your team why do you draft Shumpert?

Brewer SG/SF with no offensive game. Shumpert is a 1/2 with some offensive awareness.

: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Overall: Shumpert has rare physical tools for a guard on any level of basketball ... His defense should get him on an NBA roster and possibly into a rotation, but his poor basketball IQ will certainly hurt his effectiveness ... Should be an early-mid second round pick this year ...

CrushAlot wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks had Brewer last spring and D'Antoni said he couldn't guarantee him minutes. If Brewer can't play for your team why do you draft Shumpert?

Brewer SG/SF with no offensive game. Shumpert is a 1/2 with some offensive awareness.

I don't know. Here are his weaknesses from draftnet. He doesn't sound like a guy the coach is going to play alot.

: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Overall: Shumpert has rare physical tools for a guard on any level of basketball ... His defense should get him on an NBA roster and possibly into a rotation, but his poor basketball IQ will certainly hurt his effectiveness ... Should be an early-mid second round pick this year ...

Translated to me that just means he os raw. Imo Mike has taken some offensively weak players and made them acceptable in that area. His offense does that because it is the philosophy he teaches.

Thing is I think we gotta be real here. This kid is not gonna be Wade, Rose, or Paul, or Deron. I think this kid may fit into something like a guard oriented Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell type mold. I think at BEST you are looking at a better defending version of OJ Mayo.

One thing about a kid with his kind of special physical ability is getting with the right coach. MDA will teach him how to exploit his great talents. Also Iman can learn from Billups and we never really had that before. This kid will listen cuz it's coming from a guy with a RING.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks had Brewer last spring and D'Antoni said he couldn't guarantee him minutes. If Brewer can't play for your team why do you draft Shumpert?

Brewer SG/SF with no offensive game. Shumpert is a 1/2 with some offensive awareness.

I don't know. Here are his weaknesses from draftnet. He doesn't sound like a guy the coach is going to play alot.

: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Overall: Shumpert has rare physical tools for a guard on any level of basketball ... His defense should get him on an NBA roster and possibly into a rotation, but his poor basketball IQ will certainly hurt his effectiveness ... Should be an early-mid second round pick this year ...

If the above was written about Russell Westbrook it would not surprise. Russ was lotto and more polished of course.

Hght w/o Shoes	Hght w/shoes	Wght	Wingspan   Stdng Reach	Body Fat	No Step Vert	Max Vert  B Press	Agility 	3/4 Sprint
Westbrook	
6' 2.25"	6' 3.5"	        192	6' 7.75"   8' 4"	4.8	        30.0	        36.5	   12	       10.98	        3.08
Iman
6' 4.25"	6' 5.5"	        222	6' 9.5"	   8' 3.5"	6.5	        36.5	        42.0	   18	       11.10	        3.18

Strengths: Athletic and explosive combo guard with the length to make up for his lack of height … Attacks the basket with a lethal first step and crossover ability … Can handle the rock well and gets into the lane effortlessly … Finishes well at the rim and is unafraid to go up in traffic … Huge wingspan allows him to play much bigger than his 6-3 height … Gets good lift on his jumpshot and has a quick release … Solid passer with unselfishness, always looks for the open man … Has an excellent mid-range game … A gym rat, really works hard to improve Has a great attitude, extremely coach-able … Has the potential to be a bigtime scorer when given the chance … Really excels defensively and has a chance to develop into a great defender … His anticipation for steals and his on ball defensive ability are special Solid passer who shows the ability to play the point guard position …

Offensively Westbrook was light years ahead of where Shumpert is. They aren't even comparable so please stop trying with physical measurements.

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:Russell Westbrook's draft profile:

Strengths: Athletic and explosive combo guard with the length to make up for his lack of height … Attacks the basket with a lethal first step and crossover ability … Can handle the rock well and gets into the lane effortlessly … Finishes well at the rim and is unafraid to go up in traffic … Huge wingspan allows him to play much bigger than his 6-3 height … Gets good lift on his jumpshot and has a quick release … Solid passer with unselfishness, always looks for the open man … Has an excellent mid-range game … A gym rat, really works hard to improve Has a great attitude, extremely coach-able … Has the potential to be a bigtime scorer when given the chance … Really excels defensively and has a chance to develop into a great defender … His anticipation for steals and his on ball defensive ability are special Solid passer who shows the ability to play the point guard position …

Offensively Westbrook was light years ahead of where Shumpert is. They aren't even comparable so please stop trying with physical measurements.

I hate to break it to you, but Westbrooks biggest flaw right now is how he runs the team as a PG. Did you even watch the games and listen to the chatter that perhaps his teammates were unhappy with his ball hogging ways. He got sat for the end of a game cuz he wasn't passing the damn ball. Don't tell me about Westbrook being so far superior to Iman.

I'm not talking right now. I'm talking about both players coming out of college and their respective offensive profiles. You're the one insisting on comparing them.

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:Russell Westbrook's draft profile:

Strengths: Athletic and explosive combo guard with the length to make up for his lack of height … Attacks the basket with a lethal first step and crossover ability … Can handle the rock well and gets into the lane effortlessly … Finishes well at the rim and is unafraid to go up in traffic … Huge wingspan allows him to play much bigger than his 6-3 height … Gets good lift on his jumpshot and has a quick release … Solid passer with unselfishness, always looks for the open man … Has an excellent mid-range game … A gym rat, really works hard to improve Has a great attitude, extremely coach-able … Has the potential to be a bigtime scorer when given the chance … Really excels defensively and has a chance to develop into a great defender … His anticipation for steals and his on ball defensive ability are special Solid passer who shows the ability to play the point guard position …

Offensively Westbrook was light years ahead of where Shumpert is. They aren't even comparable so please stop trying with physical measurements.

I hate to break it to you, but Westbrooks biggest flaw right now is how he runs the team as a PG. Did you even watch the games and listen to the chatter that perhaps his teammates were unhappy with his ball hogging ways. He got sat for the end of a game cuz he wasn't passing the damn ball. Don't tell me about Westbrook being so far superior to Iman.

I'm not talking right now. I'm talking about both players coming out of college and their respective offensive profiles. You're the one insisting on comparing them.

the comparisons were about their physical attributes, and they are very similar.

There is a reason Westbrook went top 5, and it's called talent, and the Knicks weren't getting that level talent at 17.