technomaster wrote:Off the top of my head, Dirk has played with at least 2 all-stars... Steve Nash and Michael Finley. He eased into his career with some excellent teammates...

Bonn1997 wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Ewing.

Dirk is blessed with a nice supporting cast. A more talented and deeper team than any one that Ewing played on.

And yes I think Terry is as good or even better than Starks.

You think so? Unlike Ewing, Dirk has never had an all-star teammate (as far as I can remember at least)

knicks1248 wrote:One on One both in there prime...Ewing every time

'Nuff said. That match-up almost wouldn't be worth watching.

jazz74 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What's insane about it? Was the Dirk vs. Amare thread insane too?

not really. these two are arguably the best power forwards in the game right now. lets not forget that amare was in the running for mvp for half of the season and if he didnt tweak his back, who knows what would have happened in the playoffs?

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What's insane about it? Was the Dirk vs. Amare thread insane too?

not really. these two are arguably the best power forwards in the game right now. lets not forget that amare was in the running for mvp for half of the season and if he didnt tweak his back, who knows what would have happened in the playoffs?

He played at the MVP level in November and like an ordinary all-star for the rest of the season (until March at least). Lots of very good players have MVP level months--there's huge variability in small samples and you'll find surprising results when you look at players' stats by the month. You can't use a really good month to justify a comparison with a real MVP. I'm not taking anything away from Amare--he is a legitimate all-star. I'd be willing to bet you though that on a website that's not restricted to Knicks' fans, the voting on a Ewing-Dirk comparison would be much closer than a Dirk-Amare comparison.

Dirk and Ewing..is more in the lines of comparing nash and reggie miller..

The only reason that comparison has even surface is because of Dirks 2011 playoff run.

jrodmc wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Regular season mvp, finals mvp, and a championship. He's going to pass Patrick in points too.

Dirk.

Searches for a link to a Mavs board... hmmmmmm is there one?

What's wrong with having a little objectivity?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Regular season mvp, finals mvp, and a championship. He's going to pass Patrick in points too.

Dirk.

Searches for a link to a Mavs board... hmmmmmm is there one?

What's wrong with having a little objectivity?

Because it pecks away at my fanaticism.

Allanfan20 wrote:The more I think of it, the more I'd still take Patrick Ewing over Dirk. The guy is a fantastic scorer and does other things, but Ewing was a good scorer too... and does everything else better.

I'll even further extend this by saying that the only thing Dirk really does that is better than what Ewing did was shoot 3s. Ewing had the mid range game and the post up game. Dirk DOES have better ball handling skills though, no doubt about that. However, Ewing didn't really need them. I wouldn't even have wanted Ewing to try to improve his ball handling skills.

Ewing> Dirk.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Serious guys why would you campare ewing to dirk...they played in 2 different era's...you think if carlise was coaching the knicks in 94 he would have let starks shoot 2 for 18 and not yank him when he was 1 for 13..especially when you have adequate bench help.

People blame ewing and his suspect support, but never want to blame jvg and riley for some of there suspect rotations. The knicks drafted horrible in the 90's..

Dirk is a special talent who has pg like range for a 7ftr...terry is not better then starks by a long shot..terry (for the most part) plays against bench guys as a 6th man..

Do you think dirk can guard ewing or hakeem in there prime..do you think terry could guard miller or jordan in there prime. Nither of them are 1/5th of the defender starks and ew were..

Derrick harper and doc rivers were on there last leg when they played with Ew, charlie ward, chris childs where defenders not awsome pg's..mark jackson..1st knick stint ...too young couldn't shoot a jumper..2nd stint..too slow too old.

Kidd is a hof...

Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Marcus Camby, Derek Harper, Larry Johnson, Doc Rivers...Are those guys really so inferior to Dirk's supporting cast? Kidd is an HOFer because of his earlier play. He's a nice role player now who happened to land on the right team at the right time.

Bonn, there was one year when Ewing was healthy and he had LJ and Houston and Childs. That's the year of the Miami brawl. We didn't lose to Miami b/c we were inferior b/c we beat them 3 years in a row afterwards. We lossed that year b/c of suspensions and we had the ability to beat the Bulls that season.

After that, Ewings injuries (Wrist, knees, planar fascitis, ribs) just kept building up and it didn't really matter what talent was around him. By the time he had the talent, it was over for him. Before that, he didn't have much... I say that and I love Starks and Oakley, but they weren't the perimeter scorers that Houston and Sprewell were.

As for supporting casts? The Knicks were pretty solid. Starks WAS an all star wasnt he? The Knicks had a lot of good players and teams over those years. The problem was they werent as good as the Bulls, and the years they didnt have to go through the Bulls they were outplayed (Rockets) and unlucky (Spurs, Ewing hurt).

GustavBahler wrote:Depends on the era. Back then Ewing would have been a better choice because you could play more physical and Dirk would of had a harder time getting his shot off. Dirk didn't do much driving until late in his career so I would factor that in as well, not just the tail end of his career. It took a while for him to toughen up and pick up his defense as well. Ewing could play both ways pretty much from the start.

Today I'd rather have Dirk because its a less physical game, more finesse, and Dirk's style is a better fit. The one thing I didn't like about Ewing back then was his predictions that never came true while Dirk let his game speak for himself. Got tired of that.