JrZyHuStLa wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Somebody explain to me when did DH develope a jump shot..his situation here will be no better then it was in orl..as long as mike is the coach...

You need a bonifde perimeter player like kobe or jordan to play with a bigman that can score beyond 5 ft..surrounding him around shooters obviously doesn't wwork

Howard has never played with a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony in his career.

Carmelo is not really a bonifide perimeter player, which is part of the reason him and stat didn't just click like clock.. Im not saying it can't work, but it's going to take a very good pg to put it together.

I don't even think there's any young PG that can handle playing with 2 super stars like amare and melo, it's tough trying to balance ball distribution to 2 super stars, and still be aggresive.

I love Amar'e, but I honestly think Melo and Howard works better than Melo and Stat because Howard is a more defensive minded player that thrives on rebounding, shot blocking, and is willing to do the dirty work in the paint to help his team. Amar'e is strictly an offensive talent that has yet to make a commitment to rebounding for a player with his size and athleticism. Melo and Dhow is a serious 1-2 punch with offense and defense.

All other things being equal that would be true. But between DH and Melo we would still have a leadership void. DH has not shown he can step up and be a leader, Melo is a more of a lone wolf type. Amare and Billups are the leaders on this team and Billups may or may not be on the floor a lot of the time.

Bonn1997 wrote:It's also worth reading about the endowment effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
The connection to this topic should be apparent.

New rule: never follow another's link unless it's in the Alba thread.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Wow that people say yes to this. A'mare signed with us when we were nothing, put us on his back and carried us into the playoffs, had people chanting MVP mid season. And you would just straight up trade him for a guy who has never said he wanted to be here, who may not be a better player. This board sometimes shows me why fans are just always Grass is Greener and never appreciating how good they got it. No wonder Patrick Ewing was disgusted by this fan base at times in his career.

As you can see by the majority of replies, most posters in here would trade their own infants, zygotes, hoons, girlfriends, wives and mothers for whatever's winning in the last and next 5 minutes.
This thread should be included in the stupid frontrunners forum, along with the "WE NEED CRAWFORD BACK" and "ZBO's BETTER THAN TWO STATS" posts.
STAT carried a bunch of rooks and 2 1/2 tier players to the playoffs,

What's your argument? All you've done is attack the people picking Dwight. The one argument you made is that Amare has taken minimal talent to the playoffs but Dwight has carried comparable talent much farther. What does Amare do better than Dwight? On offense, he'll give you 2 more PPG (although on a lower shooting percentage). I'll grant that he has a tiny edge on offense. But Dwight has a HUGE edge on defense.

My argument is from loyalty to the great players on MY team; long time past, that used to define being a fan. I don't give two sh-ts what Dwight's carried anywhere, until he starts doing it here. I respect what STAT's done since he's been here. Given your argument, why keep anyone? There are 3's better than Melo, 2's tremendoously better than Fields.
You prove my point.

shutup bip

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Wow that people say yes to this. A'mare signed with us when we were nothing, put us on his back and carried us into the playoffs, had people chanting MVP mid season. And you would just straight up trade him for a guy who has never said he wanted to be here, who may not be a better player. This board sometimes shows me why fans are just always Grass is Greener and never appreciating how good they got it. No wonder Patrick Ewing was disgusted by this fan base at times in his career.

As you can see by the majority of replies, most posters in here would trade their own infants, zygotes, hoons, girlfriends, wives and mothers for whatever's winning in the last and next 5 minutes.
This thread should be included in the stupid frontrunners forum, along with the "WE NEED CRAWFORD BACK" and "ZBO's BETTER THAN TWO STATS" posts.
STAT carried a bunch of rooks and 2 1/2 tier players to the playoffs,

What's your argument? All you've done is attack the people picking Dwight. The one argument you made is that Amare has taken minimal talent to the playoffs but Dwight has carried comparable talent much farther. What does Amare do better than Dwight? On offense, he'll give you 2 more PPG (although on a lower shooting percentage). I'll grant that he has a tiny edge on offense. But Dwight has a HUGE edge on defense.

My argument is from loyalty to the great players on MY team; long time past, that used to define being a fan. I don't give two sh-ts what Dwight's carried anywhere, until he starts doing it here. I respect what STAT's done since he's been here. Given your argument, why keep anyone? There are 3's better than Melo, 2's tremendoously better than Fields.
You prove my point.

jrodmc wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:My loyalty is to the franchise, not to Amar'e. Anyone sitting here trying to act like a better fan because they wont trade Amar'e for Howard is a joke. Howard is the better player all-around and is a bigger need on this team than Amar'e. Howard would give us a better chance to win a championship than Amar'e. So as a fan of this FRANCHISE I would make this trade immediately. Because I actually want to win a championship in my lifetime.

So trade the entire TEAM and then you and JimmyD can be the fans of the FRANCHISE. Do you sit around dreaming about the great job Alan Houston's doing for the FRANCHISE? Do you appreciate the Knicks because of the cool LOGO? Do you really get all amped up because of the remodeling of the FRANCHISE's building?
Anyone who can consider themselves a fan because they like the FRANCHISE and treat one of the team's best two players like a replaceable crewman on an old Star Trek episode is the real joke. Screw the team, let's all play fantasy league general manager games all day.

You seem to be taking this a bit too personally.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:My loyalty is to the franchise, not to Amar'e. Anyone sitting here trying to act like a better fan because they wont trade Amar'e for Howard is a joke. Howard is the better player all-around and is a bigger need on this team than Amar'e. Howard would give us a better chance to win a championship than Amar'e. So as a fan of this FRANCHISE I would make this trade immediately. Because I actually want to win a championship in my lifetime.

So trade the entire TEAM and then you and JimmyD can be the fans of the FRANCHISE. Do you sit around dreaming about the great job Alan Houston's doing for the FRANCHISE? Do you appreciate the Knicks because of the cool LOGO? Do you really get all amped up because of the remodeling of the FRANCHISE's building?
Anyone who can consider themselves a fan because they like the FRANCHISE and treat one of the team's best two players like a replaceable crewman on an old Star Trek episode is the real joke. Screw the team, let's all play fantasy league general manager games all day.

You seem to be taking this a bit too personally.

We got swept. I'm on the rag at least until my own NBA starts on Memorial Day pickup league opening day.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Wow that people say yes to this. A'mare signed with us when we were nothing, put us on his back and carried us into the playoffs, had people chanting MVP mid season. And you would just straight up trade him for a guy who has never said he wanted to be here, who may not be a better player. This board sometimes shows me why fans are just always Grass is Greener and never appreciating how good they got it. No wonder Patrick Ewing was disgusted by this fan base at times in his career.

As you can see by the majority of replies, most posters in here would trade their own infants, zygotes, hoons, girlfriends, wives and mothers for whatever's winning in the last and next 5 minutes.
This thread should be included in the stupid frontrunners forum, along with the "WE NEED CRAWFORD BACK" and "ZBO's BETTER THAN TWO STATS" posts.
STAT carried a bunch of rooks and 2 1/2 tier players to the playoffs,

What's your argument? All you've done is attack the people picking Dwight. The one argument you made is that Amare has taken minimal talent to the playoffs but Dwight has carried comparable talent much farther. What does Amare do better than Dwight? On offense, he'll give you 2 more PPG (although on a lower shooting percentage). I'll grant that he has a tiny edge on offense. But Dwight has a HUGE edge on defense.

My argument is from loyalty to the great players on MY team; long time past, that used to define being a fan. I don't give two sh-ts what Dwight's carried anywhere, until he starts doing it here. I respect what STAT's done since he's been here. Given your argument, why keep anyone? There are 3's better than Melo, 2's tremendoously better than Fields.
You prove my point.

Given your argument, why trade anyone?Maybe with very rare exceptions (like if a player had 14 outstanding years here), I keep anyone and everyone only until I can make an upgrade. That's what winning requires. Some players would be harder to lose than others but none are worth sacrificing a championship for.

My argument is about the team's best players, not anyone. Your team is made up of the players on it. If the game is all about winning a championship with anyone on any other team, then welcome to South Beach.
I would love having DH on this team. But not at the cost of one of the two stars we now have.

I still hated trading Ewing (got us nothing anyway) And Oakley (despite the fact that got us Camby who helped get us to the Finals).

Switching rosters with the Heat would be a dream come true. NYC would get the potential for a dynasty it has always deserved. If you've fallen in love with Amare after 6 months of .500 basketball, you'd learn to love Lebron and Wade after ten years and six championships.

jrodmc wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:My loyalty is to the franchise, not to Amar'e. Anyone sitting here trying to act like a better fan because they wont trade Amar'e for Howard is a joke. Howard is the better player all-around and is a bigger need on this team than Amar'e. Howard would give us a better chance to win a championship than Amar'e. So as a fan of this FRANCHISE I would make this trade immediately. Because I actually want to win a championship in my lifetime.

So trade the entire TEAM and then you and JimmyD can be the fans of the FRANCHISE. Do you sit around dreaming about the great job Alan Houston's doing for the FRANCHISE? Do you appreciate the Knicks because of the cool LOGO? Do you really get all amped up because of the remodeling of the FRANCHISE's building?
Anyone who can consider themselves a fan because they like the FRANCHISE and treat one of the team's best two players like a replaceable crewman on an old Star Trek episode is the real joke. Screw the team, let's all play fantasy league general manager games all day.