Dalembert for the MLE would be a coup. I will believe it when I see it. I dont see him being available for that price.

MDA used to love and play a guy named Steven Hunter. He played backup C, had no offensive skills whatsoever. He played only defense, and played so well under MDA some other team (Phili?) overpaid to get him. MDA did everything to get Mosgov on the floor so the Knicks had size. But he didnt play Darko so I guess thats enough evidence that he hates big and won play centers. So old

grillco wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

grillco wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:if dalembert signs it will be for the MLE.

this guy played 82 games a year for 4 years in a row. then went to the kings and only played 25 minutes a game last year in a crowded front court.

as a knick he'd played probably in the neighborhood of 33 minutes a game. i'd expect 10 points 10 boards 2 blocks from him, and always taking the harder defensive assignment which frees up STAT.

this is not jerome james LOL big snacks had a weight problem and a motivation problem. dalembert's a consistent guy -- shows up every day, hits the glass, blocks shots. i think he's pretty much the ideal front court complement to STAT

How is Sam consistent? It's the lack of consistency that lessens his appeal. I've not heard of any real reliability game after game as it relates to Sam.

I'm not sure what you've "heard" but here's what i see:

2006-07: 82 games, 82 starts. 31 minutes per game: 11 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks
2007-08: 82 games, 82 starts. 33 minutes per game: 11 points 10 rebounds 2 blocks
2008-09: 82 games, 82 starts. 25 minutes per game. 6 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks
2009-10: 82 games, 80 starts. 26 minutes per game. 8 points 10 rebounds 2 blocks
2010-11: 80 games, 46 starts. 24 minutes per game. 8 points 8 rebounds 1.5 blocks

first 4 with philly, last yr was in sactown splitting time with demarcus cousins and jason thompson. i think the stats show that when he is starting and playing over 30 mintues hes a 10/10/2 guy on 55% from the field. he has no injury history, will get 10 rebounds and 2 blocks if given 30 minutes, and will guard the other team's best post player every night.

who is better than him that is a plausible FA option? this guy solves a few HUGE needs (rebound help, shotblocking, putting someone at the 5 which allows STAT and melo to play at their natural positions, size).

Yes, for his career he has been consistently mediocre. I, however, was referring to his playing game to game. Some days he's a monster and others just filling up floor space for 30 minutes. That is the epitome of INCONSISTENT. It wouldn't be so bad IF he put up 8 and 8 everynight, but he doesn't, it's maddening a annoying ebb and flow of really good and crap. The guy is incredibly streaky and 8 and 8 isn't particularly impressive, even at MLE money.

I hear you, but that is what you get at the MLE. what would you rather have, jared jeffries?

the reason he's available for the average league salary (which is what the MLE is) is because he has deficiencies.

that being said, i think the effort is the result of being on a bad team and sharing a lot of time. coming to NY and knowing he's going to play over 30 minutes a night in front of a packed house for a good team will bring out the best in him.

here are his splits last year for games in which the kings won and games in which the kings lost:

WINS: 22 games. 27 minutes per game. 10 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks.
LOSSES: 58 games. 23 minutes per game. 7 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block.

fishmike wrote:boy the MDA attacks are tiring.

Dalembert for the MLE would be a coup. I will believe it when I see it. I dont see him being available for that price.

MDA used to love and play a guy named Steven Hunter. He played backup C, had no offensive skills whatsoever. He played only defense, and played so well under MDA some other team (Phili?) overpaid to get him. MDA did everything to get Mosgov on the floor so the Knicks had size. But he didnt play Darko so I guess thats enough evidence that he hates big and won play centers. So old

Hunter only averaged 13.8 minutes a game & that is only because Lampe wasn't NBA ready!

The attacks aren't tiring unless you are trying to defend

They come easy.

Dalembert for MLE money for 2/3 years would be a coup - at 5 years he is the next coming of Jerome James- unless he has some Camby-esque performance past 30, which I think is doubtful.

But I don't think MDA would really want to play him. Mosgov was the perfect center for MDA. He was big, but could operate in an open system. I think he will be the hardest piece to replace, and if we have a handshake deal to get him back, I would be thrilled!

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nixluva wrote:Until the player gets here and actually plays how can Mike promise to play a guy? Did he not try to give Mason a shot? It's not his fault Mason stunk. Same goes for Darko! Guys have to produce and in the instances most of you guys keep complaining about the players stunk and some of them didn't give 100%. I wouldn't play some guy that acted like a child. None of know what really goes on but Mike is fairly consistent. Play hard, practice hard. Worked for Fields and Williams and many others.

I think the Mike is consistent in the type of player he likes. That doesn't mean that the guy he doesn't like isn't a good player. Think about how Allen and Pierce went off in the playoffs. Think about how Fields and Mason played. Read this from the Mavs team notes.

G Corey Brewer(notes) was only on the floor about eight minutes in Game 1, but the Mavs were plus-11 in points with the swingman in the game. No one else on the team had a better plus-minus. Brewer scored five points and played some stellar defense in the third quarter.

“Brewer going in the game gave us a lot of energy,” Dallas coach Rick Carlisle said. “He ran the floor, hit a couple shots, he got deflections, he got his hand on balls, made things happen.”

the guy has almost as many DNPs during the playoffs as his total minutes played through Dallas' first 2 rounds of games.

Can we expect some perspective? Damn. He may have been on the floor during game 1 for a couple of shots and a plus in the +/- but he was taken out cause Kobe started to eat him alive.

I disagree with that, so does the new york times:

"I know he can help us.”

The only quote that matters.....END DISCUSSION

I didn't realize Corey Brewer made it into this thread- and just bumped the Corey Brewer is gone.

Martin - the fact is Brewer was on the floor when the Mavs closed the gap in a big way against the Lakers.

If he can help a better team than us, why the F couldn't find time for him?

Maybe because Brewer can make an impact on D and not on offense?

Isn't it getting tired always defended MDA?

I mean, I wanted to have an open mind with Isiah - even though I thought he was a bad hire at the time and clearly proved worse- and defended his moves early.

But three years of MDA and his modus operandi is pretty evident - sorry if I am rushing the judgement and not open to giving him 5 more minutes, let alone another friggin season to prove me and others wrong.

Melo, Fields, Shawne Williams are in the future for the Knicks big time.

Brewer so dependable and in the coaches corner everyone watching as Brandon Roy torches the Mavs for a whole quarter down by 20 and eventually lose the game. Not 1 minute from Brewer in that game.

It's easy to play a young kid when you are down 20.

Hey, he played well for 5 minutes and then Bryant tore him up for 3.

If this kid good, why he not in rotation?

at $5M next year he is too expensive for Knicks. See Tony Allen, Grant Hill salaries.

BigSm00th wrote:we need rebounding, size, shotblocking, and a Center. dalembert is all 4 in one.

A) wil chandler isn't a C.
B) wil chandler probably is going to get more than the MLE.

dalembert is a real center. this allows MDA to play STAT & Melo to play their natural positions.

we got absolutely crushed on the glass last year (28th worst rebounding team in the League according to rebound rate).

dalembert is one of the top 10 rebounders in the league. don't believe me? hollinger has a stat called "rebound rate" which is essentially the percentage of rebounds a player gets that are available when he is on the floor. the reason its a better stat than rebounds per game is it adjusts for a pace, so a team that jacks up a ton of shots naturally creates more rebounding opportunities.

a rebound rate of 20 means that guy gets 20% of the available rebounds. in 08-09 dalembert was 5th in the NBA @ 20.6 (behind pryzbilla, dwight, kevin love, and camby). in 09-10, dalembert was 4th in the NBA at 21.8 (behind howard, camby, and oden). last year, he was 11th at 19.3 (not surprising b/c the kings brought in cousins who is a good rebounder).

he also blocks shots which helps because our perimeter D is so porous.

yes, there are other options at MLE prices like nazr mohammed and kurt thomas, but i think dalembert clearly is the best of the bunch.

The only question is is he available for the MLE? Based on current market he's definatly closer to a 4 year $40mm type guy rather than a 5 year $30mm type.

I dont see this happening at the MLE but if he wants to come here great for us

NYKBocker wrote:The only reservations I have on Dalembert is that he has a reputation of being lazy.

fishmike wrote:I think this is realistic:
Fields, Balkman and Turiaf for Dalembert in a sign and trade. The salaries going out would let us offer Sammy a 4 year $39mm deal. That would look like this:
2011 $8.3mm
2012 $9.2mm
2013 $10.1mm
2014 $11.2mm
total: $38.8mm

Keeps Sac younger, they will want to go that route over paying Dalembert. They get Fields back, we can kick them $3mm to offset Balkman as well.

That would leave us the MLE to use on a more realistic target

very interesting fishmike. i like where your head's at!

i like getting dalembert on a shorter deal AND freeing up the MLE. tough to give up fields but he clearly struggled once melo got here and we slowed the pace down.

the question then becomes who do you target next?

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

fishmike wrote:I think this is realistic:
Fields, Balkman and Turiaf for Dalembert in a sign and trade. The salaries going out would let us offer Sammy a 4 year $39mm deal. That would look like this:
2011 $8.3mm
2012 $9.2mm
2013 $10.1mm
2014 $11.2mm
total: $38.8mm

Keeps Sac younger, they will want to go that route over paying Dalembert. They get Fields back, we can kick them $3mm to offset Balkman as well.

That would leave us the MLE to use on a more realistic target

very interesting fishmike. i like where your head's at!

i like getting dalembert on a shorter deal AND freeing up the MLE. tough to give up fields but he clearly struggled once melo got here and we slowed the pace down.

the question then becomes who do you target next?

this would be my plan B. My plan A is offer Billups, Fields, Turiaf and Balkman and cash to NO for OK4 and Ariza. I think that gives us the banger and the great wing defender we need in one shot. To me OK4/Amare/Melo/Ariza/PG(Douglas? for now?) puts us in the top 4 in the east and able to compete with the elite teams here.

If that doesnt work Dalembert is a good fit and its a move you can make in a vacuum, thats to say I have no idea what the next move would be, but regardless this is a good piece to have. Sammy gets paid and the Knicks can still make moves.

I would probably look to use the MLE on someone like Prince. Maybe Kirilenko?

How is he a good fit....it seems like everybody is a good fit for mda..including you

how is he a good fit?

the knicks need a Center -- dalembert is a center.
the knicks need a rebouner -- dalembert is a good rebounder
the knicks need a shotblocker -- dalembert is a good shot blocker
the knicks need size -- dalembert is 6'11

he may not fit into the "if you are open, shoot it" wild west offense we have but otherwise, he fits needs.

in MDA's world, all that matters is scoring. in the basketball universe that everyone else lives in, things like rebounding, size, and defense matter too.

nixluva wrote:I guess we have to accept that we're not going to get the perfect player. Once we didn't get Lebron we had good but flawed stars left like STAT and Melo! Now we have no cap room or trade assets so we have to take what we can get and hope it's enough.

Holy crap! A tempered and realistic post from nixluva! Damn, I'm gonna go play me some lotto!