Marv wrote:

Panos wrote:I think Walsh will bring in a defensive assistant, but he'll immediately make it into 'Antoni's doghouse, and never get off the bench.
Walsh will then be forced to trade him for a second rounder.

"yea i use defensive assistants. GOOD defensive assistants."

Too much, that made my sides hurt!!!!!!!!

Childs2Dudley wrote:I thought D'Antoni was a mighty fine defensive coach? This can't be right. Fire Donnie.

Childs2Dudley rackin up the quality posts.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni helping Nash to get 2 MVPs is an individual accomplishment.

I'm more interested in the team concept.

how about the 2 trips to the WCF *AFTER* that individual accomplishment? That seems team oriented no? Didnt Nash go from an all star PG to the best TEAM player in the league?

Its silly.. you, vmart, anji... you guys are just blinded by your obvious hate for this guy its pointless to discuss what his strengths might or might not be

Bro, are you really impressed by him just getting to the WCF with a legit ass team? Because I really don't find it impressive.

nyk4ever wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni helping Nash to get 2 MVPs is an individual accomplishment.

I'm more interested in the team concept.

how about the 2 trips to the WCF *AFTER* that individual accomplishment? That seems team oriented no? Didnt Nash go from an all star PG to the best TEAM player in the league?

Its silly.. you, vmart, anji... you guys are just blinded by your obvious hate for this guy its pointless to discuss what his strengths might or might not be

Bro, are you really impressed by him just getting to the WCF with a legit ass team? Because I really don't find it impressive.

i'm not saying the suns didn't have a good amount of talent but d'antoni made alot of those guys the players they WERE. diaw marion and barbosa have fallen off the map since they've left d'antoni.

Vmart wrote:If a defensive assistant is going to come in the first thing that he is gonna want is a legit center. MDA is going to flip saying no my offense needs a pf playing center so I can get the most out of my offense. Any good defense require a good center to anchor the defense. Look at all the teams remaining in the playoffs see what they have going for them. If Atlanta found a way to utilize an over the hill Jason Collins to play Howard they probably don't get past Orlando. MDA doesn't appreciate centers the worst thing that could have ever happened was Boris Diaw.

I think if you just keep repeating it 100 more times - maybe 500 who really knows - at some point it may come true.

keep at it.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni helping Nash to get 2 MVPs is an individual accomplishment.

I'm more interested in the team concept.

how about the 2 trips to the WCF *AFTER* that individual accomplishment? That seems team oriented no? Didnt Nash go from an all star PG to the best TEAM player in the league?

Its silly.. you, vmart, anji... you guys are just blinded by your obvious hate for this guy its pointless to discuss what his strengths might or might not be

Fish, you don't acknowledge Melo's trip to the WCF, but you do Mike D'Antoni's. I'm staunch supporter of MDA. The Man needs to learn to utilize a true center, that is my only complaint, he seriously needs to lose his dog house mentality and find worth in the talent give to him and not throw it on the waste side.

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:If a defensive assistant is going to come in the first thing that he is gonna want is a legit center. MDA is going to flip saying no my offense needs a pf playing center so I can get the most out of my offense. Any good defense require a good center to anchor the defense. Look at all the teams remaining in the playoffs see what they have going for them. If Atlanta found a way to utilize an over the hill Jason Collins to play Howard they probably don't get past Orlando. MDA doesn't appreciate centers the worst thing that could have ever happened was Boris Diaw.

I think if you just keep repeating it 100 more times - maybe 500 who really knows - at some point it may come true.

keep at it.

Martin, I really don't understand where you are coming from, it is point blank obvious and you seem to miss it every time. It is a fact that he doesn't play centers. Tell me what legit center he has ever played other than Shaq? Please spare me what center has he had to play with.

what other centers ARE there to play? You can't play what you don't have. is there something I am missing?

MDA doesn't like Michael Jordan. MDA doesn't like Kevin Durant. MDA doesnt like Deron Williams. For the past 3 years MDA has not liked Nash?

What's the difference between what I just wrote and what you did?

Did D'Antoni feel threatened by the Thibodeau suggestion? If Sarver and Kerr knew he was stubborn and didn't like having a boss, why did they think he'd approve of having the boss' hand-picked #2 on his staff? Of course, I imagine Suns fans will be less than ecstatic that D'Antoni put his own autonomy in higher regard than the team's plight. With Thibodeau's specific expertise, the team could have won a title.
http://www.aolnews.com/2008/12/12/mike-dantoni-suns-owner-still-fightin/

You can't tell me that this guy wouldn't be more successful if we had a real serious option at Center. Not just Darko or some other loser but someone that can actually be a real impact player. We need a big tough rebounder/defender in there to anchor the defense. It's hard to see how we can solve that need, but until we have that kind of player it's really hard to kill the coach about the lack of D and rebounding.

What people are really saying isn't so much that he doesn't come up with great schemes, but rather that he just doesn't care about D. I haven't seen that. If you bring in an assistant will that make Amar'e finally play defense for 48 mins? would it have made the current roster turn into the Celtics or Bulls? I have serious doubts about that, but perhaps it would help and so how can anyone be against the idea of having a coach with special skills on D on your staff? I personally think it's overstated and typically if you have good defensive players you tend to have good defense.

nixluva wrote:Mike believes in what he's doing. Many coaches are stubborn about their way of doing things. Especially if they've had success. And no success doesn't only mean winning a title! If you win a ton of games and go deep in the playoffs with teams that are good but not great that gives you confidence as a coach.

You can't tell me that this guy wouldn't be more successful if we had a real serious option at Center. Not just Darko or some other loser but someone that can actually be a real impact player. We need a big tough rebounder/defender in there to anchor the defense. It's hard to see how we can solve that need, but until we have that kind of player it's really hard to kill the coach about the lack of D and rebounding.

What people are really saying isn't so much that he doesn't come up with great schemes, but rather that he just doesn't care about D. I haven't seen that. If you bring in an assistant will that make Amar'e finally play defense for 48 mins? would it have made the current roster turn into the Celtics or Bulls? I have serious doubts about that, but perhaps it would help and so how can anyone be against the idea of having a coach with special skills on D on your staff? I personally think it's overstated and typically if you have good defensive players you tend to have good defense.