Funny thing is that some have contended that Mda is a decent defensive coach and it's our lazy uncoachable players(all 120 or so he's coached) who won't give defensive effort. Now Mda tells us no really I don't worry much about d, part of the plan. And those same posters now say D really isn't important after all. High comedy

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Did you listen to the interview. His last comments were about playing D and not fouling. I think people get so caught up in the words. Did you even watch how Mike reacted to the great defensive plays by TD and AC. He was animated and slapping five with the players. Trust me he's focused on this team defending, but our STRENGTH is offense. STAT and MELO are great offensive players and that is how we're going to win is by getting them off as much as possible.

As currently built there's no way we can win with just our defense, we have to keep the pace up as much as possible and score. We have to get to the line and keep the pressure on their D. Everyone has to hit the boards too, cuz we have to keep the rebounding close.

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Did you listen to the interview. His last comments were about playing D and not fouling. I think people get so caught up in the words. Did you even watch how Mike reacted to the great defensive plays by TD and AC. He was animated and slapping five with the players. Trust me he's focused on this team defending, but our STRENGTH is offense. STAT and MELO are great offensive players and that is how we're going to win is by getting them off as much as possible.

As currently built there's no way we can win with just our defense, we have to keep the pace up as much as possible and score. We have to get to the line and keep the pressure on their D. Everyone has to hit the boards too, cuz we have to keep the rebounding close.

He doesn't like fouls because it hurts pace but sometimes it's smart to foul especially to avoid the Celtics going on a 15-0 run on us. If one thing we have going for us is a plentiful of fouls sitting on the bench waiting to be used.

Rondo is going to have a 15reb game in this series watch

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Did you listen to the interview. His last comments were about playing D and not fouling. I think people get so caught up in the words. Did you even watch how Mike reacted to the great defensive plays by TD and AC. He was animated and slapping five with the players. Trust me he's focused on this team defending, but our STRENGTH is offense. STAT and MELO are great offensive players and that is how we're going to win is by getting them off as much as possible.

As currently built there's no way we can win with just our defense, we have to keep the pace up as much as possible and score. We have to get to the line and keep the pressure on their D. Everyone has to hit the boards too, cuz we have to keep the rebounding close.

Noone is saying win with d only. How would you do that anyway? Just give the ball back to the other team each possession? But better defensive preparation and emphasis will be needed. Certainly better than anything we'll get in our current system.

fishmike wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Free pass is right. Do you think there are any circumstances conceivable that would make some think he's doing a bad job? I can't think of any.

just as successfull as JVG and Riley were in the 90s so not sure what your on about there. Unless its no titles = failure.

MDA gets Suns 62, 54, 61 and 55 wins. MDA gets Suns to WCF 2x, round 2 1x and lost in round one another year. The year they won 54 games and went to the WC finals Amare played 3 games.

Yes... epic failure indeed.

Unless your refering to his failure to get Duhon, Lee, Nate, Chandler, bla Knicks to the playoffs. I agree, those teams would have won 50 games if not for MDA telling them not to defend and just shoot a ton of 3s

This is so laughable and it's actually funny that you opposed the Carmelo trade yet defend D'Antoni vehemently. Carmelo is a D'Antoni player - no defense, all offense.

You go on and on about Mike D'Antoni and his regular season wins. I don't care about the regular season. When the playoffs started his teams ALWAYS flamed out. ALWAYS. Stop with the WCF mumbo jumbo. They were always handled in the series by their defensive opponents and lost. If you just want to rack up a whole slew of regular season victories and have nothing to show for it then good for you. But I'm not going to accept that. And neither should anyone else.

Why is it that you fail to mention his extremely talented scoring teams that were better than our current team? A team of Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Amar'e Stoudemire, Steve Nash and guys like Quentin Richardson off the bench pre-suck days. They had a good team and they played well. There was no surprise there. There was also no surprise when they lost every year in the playoffs. Their defense wasn't up to par. It wasn't championship material. This is why if you ask any Suns fans today if they miss D'Antoni they will quickly tell you "no". He wasn't missed and the Suns did just fine after his departure, before they started rebuilding the team this past year. If D'Antoni were to get fired from here do you think teams would be lining up to sign him? Who do you think would hire D'Antoni besides the Raptors?

I want a guy here who will end up going to the NBA Finals and winning it. D'Antoni is not that coach. He will NEVER be that coach. The sooner you realize that, the better you will feel about his eventual departure.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Free pass is right. Do you think there are any circumstances conceivable that would make some think he's doing a bad job? I can't think of any.

just as successfull as JVG and Riley were in the 90s so not sure what your on about there. Unless its no titles = failure.

MDA gets Suns 62, 54, 61 and 55 wins. MDA gets Suns to WCF 2x, round 2 1x and lost in round one another year. The year they won 54 games and went to the WC finals Amare played 3 games.

Yes... epic failure indeed.

Unless your refering to his failure to get Duhon, Lee, Nate, Chandler, bla Knicks to the playoffs. I agree, those teams would have won 50 games if not for MDA telling them not to defend and just shoot a ton of 3s

This is so laughable and it's actually funny that you opposed the Carmelo trade yet defend D'Antoni vehemently. Carmelo is a D'Antoni player - no defense, all offense.

You go on and on about Mike D'Antoni and his regular season wins. I don't care about the regular season. When the playoffs started his teams ALWAYS flamed out. ALWAYS. Stop with the WCF mumbo jumbo. They were always handled in the series by their defensive opponents and lost. If you just want to rack up a whole slew of regular season victories and have nothing to show for it then good for you. But I'm not going to accept that. And neither should anyone else.

Why is it that you fail to mention his extremely talented scoring teams that were better than our current team? A team of Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Amar'e Stoudemire, Steve Nash and guys like Quentin Richardson off the bench pre-suck days. They had a good team and they played well. There was no surprise there. There was also no surprise when they lost every year in the playoffs. Their defense wasn't up to par. It wasn't championship material. This is why if you ask any Suns fans today if they miss D'Antoni they will quickly tell you "no". He wasn't missed and the Suns did just fine after his departure, before they started rebuilding the team this past year. If D'Antoni were to get fired from here do you think teams would be lining up to sign him? Who do you think would hire D'Antoni besides the Raptors?

I want a guy here who will end up going to the NBA Finals and winning it. D'Antoni is not that coach. He will NEVER be that coach. The sooner you realize that, the better you will feel about his eventual departure.

Why is it that you fail to mention his extremely talented scoring teams that were better than our current team?

This is so laughable and it's actually funny that you opposed the Carmelo trade yet defend D'Antoni vehemently. Carmelo is a D'Antoni player - no defense, all offense.

fishmike wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:i want to know who that coach would be? because d'antoni has about as good a track record as anybody else besides jackson, pop and rivers....

all the "MDA sucks" guys skirt this question... "because this one goes to 11"

MDA is perfect for this group. We are built around two elite scorers with suspect defense their whole career. If you want turkey dont order chicken. Everyone wanted two stars.. well we got two stars. Just happens they are offensive monsters. So you hire and offensive coach who will get the most of these guys. Amare has bought in. Melo has bought in. IF you dont MDA thats fine, but you not liking him or his style doesnt make him a crap coach.

fish, you are a valiant fish.

these guys, man, they have strong bias against mda for some reason. i cannot explain it otherwise.

mda is proven, there is no question.

fishmike wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Free pass is right. Do you think there are any circumstances conceivable that would make some think he's doing a bad job? I can't think of any.

just as successfull as JVG and Riley were in the 90s so not sure what your on about there. Unless its no titles = failure.

MDA gets Suns 62, 54, 61 and 55 wins. MDA gets Suns to WCF 2x, round 2 1x and lost in round one another year. The year they won 54 games and went to the WC finals Amare played 3 games.

Yes... epic failure indeed.

Unless your refering to his failure to get Duhon, Lee, Nate, Chandler, bla Knicks to the playoffs. I agree, those teams would have won 50 games if not for MDA telling them not to defend and just shoot a ton of 3s

That was a long time ago my fishy friend. That was also with a ton more talent than JVG had and more talent than Riley had. So who did more with the talent on hand? hint:not mda. I may be wrong but didn't we actually get to the finals instead of being utterly crushed in the conference finals? I don't think they would have won 50 games, it's kinda dumb for you to think that. The 1st 2 years may be understandable except for the fact the team was known for it's slacking on D too. You don't need a great team in order to see if a coach is doing a good job. The way you guys talk its like you want an all star team under mda before anyone can make a judgement(only bad ones as good ones can be made with a quater of good ball).

fishmike wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:i want to know who that coach would be? because d'antoni has about as good a track record as anybody else besides jackson, pop and rivers....

all the "MDA sucks" guys skirt this question... "because this one goes to 11"

MDA is perfect for this group. We are built around two elite scorers with suspect defense their whole career. If you want turkey dont order chicken. Everyone wanted two stars.. well we got two stars. Just happens they are offensive monsters. So you hire and offensive coach who will get the most of these guys. Amare has bought in. Melo has bought in. IF you dont MDA thats fine, but you not liking him or his style doesnt make him a crap coach.

I really don't get your point..The fact that we added two guys who can score automatically means we shouldn't play defense?...LeBron and Wade are two of the best scorers in the league and somehow gets it done on the defensive end...Boston has great offensive players and somehow gets it done on the defensive end...SA has very good offensive players and somehow get it done on the defensive end...The idea that you can't or should not expect a team to play defense because they added offensive players is just silly and outrageous...