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4/11/2011  7:57 PM
CashMoney wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?

I would even say that TD sucked at running offense last year. His Summer League play was awful, same with this past summer and beginning of this year.

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4/11/2011  7:57 PM
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.
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4/11/2011  7:59 PM
CashMoney wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?

I don't understand it either.


What I question is does anyone think this team is as bad as the 1-9 that they went thru? No one could honestly take that as anything more than a slump caused by multiple factors including the adjustment of new players with old, CB's injury and a brutal schedule in March. Not to mention that STAT was running down. It takes time for a coach to figure out how to use new players, especially when a good portion of your rotation is overturned. Mike struggled with this, but he did figure things out and the team is looking much better.

Now that they've had time to adjust the team is playing much better on both ends. They're talking on D and helping each other. I don't see a perfect defensive team but at least they've improved. Hopefully this offseason we'll be able to upgrade the roster and go from there.
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4/11/2011  8:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

Douglas got run towards the end of the year, we traded Hill (he's lighting it up now isn't he?) and it's well know that Darko was doing nothing in practice and admitted that he wasn't. Bill Walker got run when he came over.

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4/11/2011  8:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

You still bringing this stuff up? Hill was a mistake, but that happens. He's an OK prospect, but they moved on. Darko was his own worst enemy he basically acted like a spoiled brat and forced his way out. Douglas was being developed and he's still a big part of what we're doing, so I don't know why he's brought up. This whole line of argument is so weak and weighed against the positive aspects of what Mike is doing I don't see the big deal.
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4/11/2011  8:12 PM
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

Douglas got run towards the end of the year, we traded Hill (he's lighting it up now isn't he?) and it's well know that Darko was doing nothing in practice and admitted that he wasn't. Bill Walker got run when he came over.

Douglas got run when Walsh traveled with the team to "evaluate his players and coaches." The Darko thing is constantly spun. He played in 7 games was benched and was so discouraged by his experience that he said he wanted to go back to Europe. What he said this year was to Mozgov, he told him to not be like him if he is benched, to keep working. I don't think Darko was the only one at fault there. I also think the Knicks didn't draft Jennings because D'Antoni has a difficult time with guys that might not have a certain level of maturity and character so talent has to be bypassed. Hill may not be getting a ton of minutes in Houston but he has always played and is a world beater compared to Jeffries and Bender. The other guy that I didn't mention is Randolph who did well before and is doing very well since the trade.
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4/11/2011  8:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

Douglas got run towards the end of the year, we traded Hill (he's lighting it up now isn't he?) and it's well know that Darko was doing nothing in practice and admitted that he wasn't. Bill Walker got run when he came over.

Douglas got run when Walsh traveled with the team to "evaluate his players and coaches." The Darko thing is constantly spun. He played in 7 games was benched and was so discouraged by his experience that he said he wanted to go back to Europe. What he said this year was to Mozgov, he told him to not be like him if he is benched, to keep working. I don't think Darko was the only one at fault there. I also think the Knicks didn't draft Jennings because D'Antoni has a difficult time with guys that might not have a certain level of maturity and character so talent has to be bypassed. Hill may not be getting a ton of minutes in Houston but he has always played and is a world beater compared to Jeffries and Bender. The other guy that I didn't mention is Randolph who did well before and is doing very well since the trade.

You don't like MDA, I get it.

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4/11/2011  8:29 PM
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

Douglas got run towards the end of the year, we traded Hill (he's lighting it up now isn't he?) and it's well know that Darko was doing nothing in practice and admitted that he wasn't. Bill Walker got run when he came over.

Douglas got run when Walsh traveled with the team to "evaluate his players and coaches." The Darko thing is constantly spun. He played in 7 games was benched and was so discouraged by his experience that he said he wanted to go back to Europe. What he said this year was to Mozgov, he told him to not be like him if he is benched, to keep working. I don't think Darko was the only one at fault there. I also think the Knicks didn't draft Jennings because D'Antoni has a difficult time with guys that might not have a certain level of maturity and character so talent has to be bypassed. Hill may not be getting a ton of minutes in Houston but he has always played and is a world beater compared to Jeffries and Bender. The other guy that I didn't mention is Randolph who did well before and is doing very well since the trade.

You don't like MDA, I get it.

I don't like that the team relys so much on three point shooting. I don't like that he has no time to work with and work in some guys that the gm values and that the team needs. I also don't think a team that doesn't emphasize defense can win anything significant. I get frustrated with a coach that loses and is known for having short practices when he coaches the team I root for. I think the guy has developed a 'system' that allows him to not work that hard because the preperation and practice doesn't change that much. How many fans want a coach known for not liking practice?
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4/11/2011  11:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks were 1-9 prior to their 7 game winning streak. The guy just won his 100th game at the end of his third year. If he has righted the ship great but there has been too much wrong done during his time here.

the plan year 1 and year 2 was to lose. Why keep counting those 2 years as worth anything?


If the plan was to lose how come last year the coach wouldn't play the rookies all year and kept talking about trying to make the playoffs long after it was a possibility. The plan succeeded in devaluing assets and costing a pick and a lottery selection to get cap space. The coach was not open to using guys brought in by the gm and when his lack of communicating with some of his players boiled over the gm had to give away assets for marginal returns or higher costs than they should have been. I think the appreciation thread should be to Walsh and I think D'Antoni should join the forum and start it. He is lucky to work for one of the best basketball guys around and definitely the most loyal.

What rookies besides TD were worth playing last year and what guys weren't used?


Douglas, Hill, and Darko were the guys brought and not used. Hill was the 8th pick. D'Antoni wanted him over Jennings.

Douglas got run towards the end of the year, we traded Hill (he's lighting it up now isn't he?) and it's well know that Darko was doing nothing in practice and admitted that he wasn't. Bill Walker got run when he came over.

Douglas got run when Walsh traveled with the team to "evaluate his players and coaches." The Darko thing is constantly spun. He played in 7 games was benched and was so discouraged by his experience that he said he wanted to go back to Europe. What he said this year was to Mozgov, he told him to not be like him if he is benched, to keep working. I don't think Darko was the only one at fault there. I also think the Knicks didn't draft Jennings because D'Antoni has a difficult time with guys that might not have a certain level of maturity and character so talent has to be bypassed. Hill may not be getting a ton of minutes in Houston but he has always played and is a world beater compared to Jeffries and Bender. The other guy that I didn't mention is Randolph who did well before and is doing very well since the trade.

You don't like MDA, I get it.

I don't like that the team relys so much on three point shooting. I don't like that he has no time to work with and work in some guys that the gm values and that the team needs. I also don't think a team that doesn't emphasize defense can win anything significant. I get frustrated with a coach that loses and is known for having short practices when he coaches the team I root for. I think the guy has developed a 'system' that allows him to not work that hard because the preperation and practice doesn't change that much. How many fans want a coach known for not liking practice?

Practice...we talkin about practice?

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4/11/2011  11:40 PM
You're lucky your pov was just called bullshyt. One of the posters told me I got my info and views on the Knicks from Rush Limbaugh!

JrZyHuStLa wrote:
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:If he cared just a little about defense, we certainly would be in a much better position to win in the playoffs. Boston and Miami already know that we can easily beat if our shots don't fall, because D'antoni just has this team putting all of its effort and focus on just one end of the floor, which is offense.

And Milwaukee, Charlotte, and NJ are all worse because they lack the talent that the 16 playoff teams have.

would you care to share with me and the rest how much the coaching staff has worked on offense versus defense over the course of the last 2-3 months with the Knicks?

This surely would let us know how much the staff cares about one or the other. Thanks.

Otherwise bring an argument that you can put some substance behind instead of just talking bull****.

Why does the "staff" always have to be mentioned, as if D'antoni cannot be held accountable himself for his lack of defensive emphasis? Like Barkley said, D'antoni is hell bent on proving that his system works, but we have all yet to see the proof. Yea of course I've seen some improvement in the last few weeks with the Knicks defense, but I just don't see it as a staple as long as this man is our head coach. It's not in his DNA, it never was.

Its always just "bullshyt" when you post something that somebody doesn't want to hear, right?
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4/11/2011  11:49 PM
Darko came to camp out of shape after promising to be in shape, since Mike let him stay overseas with his new family. He then had a hard time adjusting to what Mike wanted him to do. When he played he wasn't very good and wasn't very inspired. Instead of working his butt off he sulked and then shut it down all on his own. I don't want to hear that he was discouraged. That's his own failing as a professional. You can't lay that on the coach of a professional BB team.

AR may just have been a bad fit with this coach. The kid may not have the BB IQ to play for Mike. You really can't assume that everyone can play BB the same way. Some guys are better when they don't have to think the game so much. One thing we know is that usually Mike's teams are very smart. This system requires a level of precision and you can't just be out there winging it. AR seems to need to be able to wing it and play with energy.
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