fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:Your 1-4 overview is suspect in a couple areas and let's be honest he had a playoff roster at seasons begin on paper. At least to grab the 8th spot. That's the problem with some of you fans Fishmike the credit you like to afford is often times laid on a little too thick. Most coaches in the NBA could accomplish 1-4. Mike was never brought here with the idea he was AVERAGE. He was brought here and compensated as if he's ELITE, a true DIFFERENCE MAKER. But going by what you posted.... ultimately you're telling me he's AVERAGE, you're cool with it for now...I'm not and rather dismiss the AVERAGE coach.

Okay that's cool, we understand each other here

Its a playoff roster on paper, but MANY here project the Knicks to win games in the 30s, as did MANY people in the media. I dont agree this was a sure fire playoff roster. Nobody seemed suprised when the Knicks got off to a bad start. Also we were the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the NBA to start the season

So I think he did a good job. We never got a chance to see if he was a difference maker did we? If Gallo lights up the Bulls and Felton keeps Rose from dropping 40 a night and we advance wouldnt MDA's grade go from a B- to a strong A?

Once again the coach has a big imcomplete. Whole new team w/ 30 games left, big holes in the rotation, a key piece getting hurt, etc etc

How can anyone judge MDA's performance at this point? You have to look at body of work. These last 2.5 years have totally phucked up.

You realize you're blaming the GM for making trades you as a fan knew were going to take place every year at the deadline as to why the coach can't perform up to expectations. He was going to inherit a roster ever changing for a few yrs. What isn't sinking in for some of you.... no coach should be given an unlimited amount of yrs to get the exact desired roster in order for them to be properly evaluated. With each post you make, you confirm more and more D'AnToni is AVERAGE at best.

Of those 234 games how many players has MDA had? What consistent performers has he had to built a system around?

Juice wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:Your 1-4 overview is suspect in a couple areas and let's be honest he had a playoff roster at seasons begin on paper. At least to grab the 8th spot. That's the problem with some of you fans Fishmike the credit you like to afford is often times laid on a little too thick. Most coaches in the NBA could accomplish 1-4. Mike was never brought here with the idea he was AVERAGE. He was brought here and compensated as if he's ELITE, a true DIFFERENCE MAKER. But going by what you posted.... ultimately you're telling me he's AVERAGE, you're cool with it for now...I'm not and rather dismiss the AVERAGE coach.

Okay that's cool, we understand each other here

Its a playoff roster on paper, but MANY here project the Knicks to win games in the 30s, as did MANY people in the media. I dont agree this was a sure fire playoff roster. Nobody seemed suprised when the Knicks got off to a bad start. Also we were the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the NBA to start the season

So I think he did a good job. We never got a chance to see if he was a difference maker did we? If Gallo lights up the Bulls and Felton keeps Rose from dropping 40 a night and we advance wouldnt MDA's grade go from a B- to a strong A?

Once again the coach has a big imcomplete. Whole new team w/ 30 games left, big holes in the rotation, a key piece getting hurt, etc etc

How can anyone judge MDA's performance at this point? You have to look at body of work. These last 2.5 years have totally phucked up.

You realize you're blaming the GM for making trades you as a fan knew were going to take place every year at the deadline as to why the coach can't perform up to expectations. He was going to inherit a roster ever changing for a few yrs. What isn't sinking in for some of you.... no coach should be given an unlimited amount of yrs to get the exact desired roster in order for them to be properly evaluated. With each post you make you confirm more and more D'AnToni is AVERAGE at best.

Was MDA supposed to win more than 30 games with those teams? What were you expectations?

I'm not blaming anyone... not sure what you mean by that. Everyone knew the last 2 years was going to be gut, grow and gut some more with this roster. When you say he's been average I'm not sure I follow at what?

Were David Lee, Al Harrington and Tracy McGrady supposed to get us to the playoffs last year? I dont see that as realistic and wouldnt hold the coach accountable for that failure, if it is one.

If anything he won too much... it cost us a good player in the draft. we got Jordan Hill! We should have just mailed it in and won 20 games! Stephen Curry would look GOOD running the P&R w/ Amare

Juice wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Juice wrote:If I were a gambling man here's a couple things I know I could bet on say if D'AnToni were fired as we can already see from the defend coach/team camp begging off for time to gel but the kids prior to trade ran out of time after 50gms...

If D'AnToni were fired and replaced by Sloan.....

What would the defenders expectations be from him first year on the job with just a couple changes to the roster?

Now before you answer think about all the replies made when discussing firing D'AnToni and the personnel he's had to contend with. Sloan has just acquired the same players with known flaws in their games.

- Would you anticipate a regression in his first year with 2 All-Stars?

- Would you expect his first year to be a throwaway because he had to spend time assessing and stripping the team down of all it's bad traits?

- If he told you it would take 2yrs to get his system fully in place after 20gms or so would you be cool with this?

The Knicks are 234 games into D'Antoni's adjustment period and during that time he has lost 138 times. I think that would be unacceptable from any coach and I don't believe Sloan would lose at that rate given the same set of circumstances. However, if he did I believe he would either die from the exhaustion and stress of trying to account for every single mistake he needed to correct with his team or he would resign and put the blame on himself. That is just my opinion but 234 games in and one thing I know for sure about Mike D'Antoni, he is no Jerry Sloan.

I'm just wondering if he was fired in place of someone like Sloan how much if any would fans like Nixluva/Fishmike/TKF expectations change if at all. It's one thing to be Lenny Wilkens/Larry Brown and the team revolt against you as a major reason as to why you can't get results and another for players to love your system, feel like they're in a player's coach atmosphere and still overwhelmingly under perform as a TEAM from game-to-game.

The best job of coaching as a Knick was Don Chaney getting 37 wins out of the Knicks. After starting 1-8 missing Latrell he coached that team to 36-37 the rest of the season. Frontcourt: Kurt Thomas, Doleac, Othella Harrington and Clarence Weatherspoon. Wings: Eisley, Ward, Houston, Shandon Anderson and Spree. Thats a SMALL and unimpressive team, but they played hard, protected the ball and attacked you with spacing and speed. We were dead last in points in the paint and blocked shots. That was a case of clear over achievement after McDyess got hurt.

That being said I remember being KILLING Chaney. Killing him! We need a better coach, bla bla bla. Forget that the center was 6'9, the PF 6'8 and everyone else pretty unathletic, etc

Sometimes coaching matters, but even that Chaney team... look to those guys. Absolute pros. Guys like Kurt, Houston, Ward, etc... they would NEVER quit on a coach.

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Juice wrote:If I were a gambling man here's a couple things I know I could bet on say if D'AnToni were fired as we can already see from the defend coach/team camp begging off for time to gel but the kids prior to trade ran out of time after 50gms...

If D'AnToni were fired and replaced by Sloan.....

What would the defenders expectations be from him first year on the job with just a couple changes to the roster?

Now before you answer think about all the replies made when discussing firing D'AnToni and the personnel he's had to contend with. Sloan has just acquired the same players with known flaws in their games.

- Would you anticipate a regression in his first year with 2 All-Stars?

- Would you expect his first year to be a throwaway because he had to spend time assessing and stripping the team down of all it's bad traits?

- If he told you it would take 2yrs to get his system fully in place after 20gms or so would you be cool with this?

The Knicks are 234 games into D'Antoni's adjustment period and during that time he has lost 138 times. I think that would be unacceptable from any coach and I don't believe Sloan would lose at that rate given the same set of circumstances. However, if he did I believe he would either die from the exhaustion and stress of trying to account for every single mistake he needed to correct with his team or he would resign and put the blame on himself. That is just my opinion but 234 games in and one thing I know for sure about Mike D'Antoni, he is no Jerry Sloan.

How many times have we overhauled the roster during Mike's time here? I'm pretty sure that Sloan would have trouble getting the most out of his players if they kept changing every year. These are MASS changes too. Losing key players to how you had been playing. To constantly bring up the overall record as if it's just been a normal team building process is wrong and deceptive. Some level of consistency is something most coaches want and need.

Mike is not a perfect coach. He's a system guy and those guys are often not good at making it up as they go along. The great system coaches need to have a GM that believes and supports him and at least he has that in Walsh. So long as they can keep working together they will eventually be successful. That is if Dolan can stay out of it. I think Dolan made things a bit tougher on both Walsh and D'Antoni. They can overcome this tho if he trusts them to finish the job.

Our GM has brought in so many players via(trade/roster shuffling to the coach's disadvantage according to you and fishmike) in which coached disliked or rather not use after time went on

Coach didn't see use for

Darko
Harrington
Hughes
Wilcox
Hill
Brown
AR
Brewer
Shelden
Balkman
Tim Thomas
Bender

Coach wanted

Tyrus Thomas
Sessions
Ridnour
Hill
Kidd
Nash
Curry
Barbosa
Diaw

What are you babling about here? There's nothing that suggest our GM understands the kind of players the coach values or likes and has fit into his long term coaching plans

Coach didn't see use for

Darko - Darko acted like a girl. He came in late and out of shape after Mike was nice enough to let him stay with his family if he promised to be in decent shape. Then Darko had a nerve to whine and cry about PT.

Harrington - Al could score, but broke the offense and went rogue too often - He had the right skills tho

Hughes - he was just about done. He had a few good stretches.

Wilcox - Ok bigman, but he's been a journeyman for a reason.

Hill - Too much of a project.

Brown - decent prospect, but has to wait his turn.

AR - Too much of a project. Still has talent, but may not have been the best fit mentally for this system.

Brewer - he's just not that good. Also this guy was IMO never really intended to stay. Walsh tried to trade him immediately.

Shelden - he's just not that good.

Balkman - he's just not that good.

Tim Thomas - TT had a good year with Mike in PHX, but he wasn't going to be part of the future here.

Bender - Seriously?

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Juice wrote:If I were a gambling man here's a couple things I know I could bet on say if D'AnToni were fired as we can already see from the defend coach/team camp begging off for time to gel but the kids prior to trade ran out of time after 50gms...

If D'AnToni were fired and replaced by Sloan.....

What would the defenders expectations be from him first year on the job with just a couple changes to the roster?

Now before you answer think about all the replies made when discussing firing D'AnToni and the personnel he's had to contend with. Sloan has just acquired the same players with known flaws in their games.

- Would you anticipate a regression in his first year with 2 All-Stars?

- Would you expect his first year to be a throwaway because he had to spend time assessing and stripping the team down of all it's bad traits?

- If he told you it would take 2yrs to get his system fully in place after 20gms or so would you be cool with this?

The Knicks are 234 games into D'Antoni's adjustment period and during that time he has lost 138 times. I think that would be unacceptable from any coach and I don't believe Sloan would lose at that rate given the same set of circumstances. However, if he did I believe he would either die from the exhaustion and stress of trying to account for every single mistake he needed to correct with his team or he would resign and put the blame on himself. That is just my opinion but 234 games in and one thing I know for sure about Mike D'Antoni, he is no Jerry Sloan.

How many times have we overhauled the roster during Mike's time here? I'm pretty sure that Sloan would have trouble getting the most out of his players if they kept changing every year. These are MASS changes too. Losing key players to how you had been playing. To constantly bring up the overall record as if it's just been a normal team building process is wrong and deceptive. Some level of consistency is something most coaches want and need.

Mike is not a perfect coach. He's a system guy and those guys are often not good at making it up as they go along. The great system coaches need to have a GM that believes and supports him and at least he has that in Walsh. So long as they can keep working together they will eventually be successful. That is if Dolan can stay out of it. I think Dolan made things a bit tougher on both Walsh and D'Antoni. They can overcome this tho if he trusts them to finish the job.

Our GM has brought in so many players via(trade/roster shuffling to the coach's disadvantage according to you and fishmike) in which coached disliked or rather not use after time went on

Coach didn't see use for

Darko
Harrington
Hughes
Wilcox
Hill
Brown
AR
Brewer
Shelden
Balkman
Tim Thomas
Bender

Coach wanted

Tyrus Thomas
Sessions
Ridnour
Hill
Kidd
Nash
Curry
Barbosa
Diaw

What are you babling about here? There's nothing that suggest our GM understands the kind of players the coach values or likes and has fit into his long term coaching plans

This is a very strange list of examples you've listed. I really don't see how this proves your point tho. The players we kept surely fit what we wanted to do.

Coach didn't see use for

Darko - Darko acted like a girl. He came in late and out of shape after Mike was nice enough to let him stay with his family if he promised to be in decent shape. Then Darko had a nerve to whine and cry about PT.

Harrington - Al could score, but broke the offense and went rogue too often - He had the right skills tho

Hughes - he was just about done. He had a few good stretches.

Wilcox - Ok bigman, but he's been a journeyman for a reason.

Hill - Too much of a project.

Brown - decent prospect, but has to wait his turn.

AR - Too much of a project. Still has talent, but may not have been the best fit mentally for this system.

Brewer - he's just not that good. Also this guy was IMO never really intended to stay. Walsh tried to trade him immediately.

Shelden - he's just not that good.

Balkman - he's just not that good.

Tim Thomas - TT had a good year with Mike in PHX, but he wasn't going to be part of the future here.

Bender - Seriously?

The list isn't odd and instead you chose to look at one part of two lists, which I find extremely amusing on your part.

Start naming the players the GM has brought in that helps the coach without using the excuse of heavy roster turnover? Had he brought in more players on the other list I doubt you'd be complaining about roster turnover hampering the coach, which BTW very few of those players solve our main issues(outside of point guard play).

The trade is a whole new animal. Now Walsh has to continue the process of building around this new core. This is why we make the point that this entire process has been detrimental to Mike being successful coaching. When you start the year with an entirely different roster and then make wholesale changes, it's hard not to have problems re-establishing team chemistry and rotations you trust. This group hasn't had a camp to learn the system and each other. Next year i'm sure Walsh will do his best to give Mike more players that fit our needs and his style.

Gymkata wrote:Kobe, too. He's held up as the gold-standard for all-around superstar, but it wasn't that long ago that he was getting ripped by Jackson for ball-hogging and insinuating that he wanted out of L.A. It took the total fleecing of Memphis for Gasol to really right the Kobe ship, yes?

kobe had a right to bitch and moan, the lakers had done nothing to replace Oneal at that point, and he was force to carry the team.

This teams leader has to come from the PG position, he's the person that controls the game, he's the person that could look off melo when he's fkng up the flow..the one thing I loved about felton was that he didn't force feed stat at all, he wouldn't hesitate to pass to gallo or just find the open guy..

I haven't seen Amare or billups say sht to melo when he starts that selfish play, I don't see any of them getting on each other, but melo's quick to jump on the role players for following the coach's instuctions.

Melo is one of the best scorers i have ever seen since jordan and kobe, he wants the ball cuase he can make it happen and has proven it..but this dude has to relize, he does not know the offense, and he has another super star playing aside him..Don't scream to the media that you want to make FIELDS and TONY D better players, and then shut them out in the 4th qtr, don't scream we need to get better defensively, and drift away from your man to show a fake double team (like amare)..

Melo and the knicks need to adjust to each other, not visa versa. You don't bring a star player and say you adjust to us, your gonna play our way, and melo can't come in and say, im doing me, ya'll adjust..MDA has to tweak the play book (if you an offfensive GURU) and melo has to share the spot light (which you beg to do)

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:awesome article.

MDA is not the coach for this team. we have two of the top scorers in the game. we don't need his gimmick offense. we need a new coach who will garner the players respect, make them play defense, make them play as a team.

this team's gonna get stomped in the first round. adios

how is ball movement and spacing a gimmick?

I bet if we got Deanre Jordon, Reggie Evans, Raja Bell and Toney Allen we would be a good defensive team

ISO basketball is the WORST to watch.

ISO Basketball is also a thing of the past.. which is why when kobe goes into his iso mode, phil jackson digs into kobe....

it is not winning basketball.. those days are done!!

Which is also why JVG should only be brought in as a defensive coordinator under MDA. JVG's whole offensive scheme with the knicks was ISO for H20 or iso for Spree.

Juice wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:awesome article.

MDA is not the coach for this team. we have two of the top scorers in the game. we don't need his gimmick offense. we need a new coach who will garner the players respect, make them play defense, make them play as a team.

this team's gonna get stomped in the first round. adios

how is ball movement and spacing a gimmick?

I bet if we got Deanre Jordon, Reggie Evans, Raja Bell and Toney Allen we would be a good defensive team

ISO basketball is the WORST to watch.

ISO Basketball is also a thing of the past.. which is why when kobe goes into his iso mode, phil jackson digs into kobe....

it is not winning basketball.. those days are done!!

The key here is Phil openly holds Kobe accountable and calls the best basketball player out in the media without hesitation. Matter of fact recently he made an on blast statement that Ron Artest is better at running the Triangle offense than Kobe. A player who not only is the best in the sport but has also won chips with him as his feature piece....

Now ask yourself TKF or any other coach apologist what does D'AnToni do other than to make suggestions in the media that "Players may be pressing or fighting the System needing to trust each other more" and for fans to.."Take Some Prozac"......That's passive aggressive, generic, canned, bad attempt at humor, ultra sensitive, and no one will respect this approach. They will walk all over you eventually.

This coach will use up all moments of coddling on players like Duhon/Lee/Felton/Amar'e who have been extremely guilty of not playing up to expectations for long periods of time. But he sure is quick to blast young players or rookies like Hill/AR/Darko/Nate/even Gallo(at times). He's a fake bully, who needs to be bullied in the fullest sense himself. He's a good coach when it comes to offense, he just fails in so many other areas of his job which quite frankly consist a lot of PLAYER MANAGEMENT(the thing Phil Jackson gets applauded for most throughout his career).

Pringles simply sucks at defensive scheme implementation and managing of his personnel.... from egos, to rotations, to playing favorites, to appropriate disciplining, to correct player positions, to player assignments within his scheme, not assessing talent correctly, game awareness(clock and fouls) etc etc.

Brent Barry who actually is a very good in studio analyst who played probably for the best coach since 2000 in Popovich says our problems most certainly involve coaching philosophy and commitment to play the other side of the ball. He also mentions quite often teams love to play us because they know if pressure is applied to the team we'll crack eventually.

so your a player apologist... whats the difference? Is Artest played here would he played hard on defense? Raja Bell was first NBA defensive team under MDA.

When Doc told TMAc to play this way TMac quit on him and got Doc fired. It happens all the time. This notion that a "good coach" can push or bully soft players into being tough is highlarious to me. Certain coaches have made breakthoughs with certain players and helped their careers. OThers have been cannon fodder.

Phil JAckson's won 11 rings. He can say anything he wants, and the quote makes ZERO sense because just this season Artest said he doesnt understand the offense, runs to a spot and stand there not knowing what to do next. From his mouth.

Every coach here has been killed by posters. Guys killed Chaney. Guys killed Lenny. EVERYONE killed Larry. Now its MDAs turn. When the talent gets better and PLAYS better the coaching will look a lot better also.

Was Nash a great defensive player in Dallas? Is Dirk now? Cmon people

I'm not a player apologist? Not sure how you got that out of what I wrote when I touched on "coddling" and "accountability" and "favoritism"

I think Melo sucks incorporating his talents into a TEAM concept

I think Amar'e is absolutely horrible at rebounding and manning the interior

I think Douglas is one of the most thirsty players I've ever seen in my lifetime

Don't get me started on Effries

I think Billups is out to pasture... probably should play coming off the bench at this stage in his career(I was suggesting Denver trade him last year for Iggy if at all possible so Lawson could run the show)

The rest of the roster is par for course throughout the league

Doesn't matter this coach has a far better roster than he's had since coming here and he has to show he's capable of getting the most out of whatever is set before him. Otherwise you're just indicting the GM as putting a poorly constructed roster together and stamping down Amar'e and Melo as less than desirable Stars in this game. We can't keep turning the roster over to prop up the coach. That's bass ackwards philosophy here

For the record I don't think Phil truly feels Ron Artest grasp the scheme better than Kobe. It's his way of telling Kobe cut out the bullchit. If D'AnToni's lack of ring credentials is the reason he has no say to speak blunt truth about his players 1-12 in the media when appropriate, once again we have the wrong coach on the bench.

So now it's about calling out players in the press? That is how good coaches are supposed to work? Seriously? Were even watching during Larry Brown/Marbury saga?

Juice wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Juice wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:awesome article.

MDA is not the coach for this team. we have two of the top scorers in the game. we don't need his gimmick offense. we need a new coach who will garner the players respect, make them play defense, make them play as a team.

this team's gonna get stomped in the first round. adios

how is ball movement and spacing a gimmick?

I bet if we got Deanre Jordon, Reggie Evans, Raja Bell and Toney Allen we would be a good defensive team

ISO basketball is the WORST to watch.

ISO Basketball is also a thing of the past.. which is why when kobe goes into his iso mode, phil jackson digs into kobe....

it is not winning basketball.. those days are done!!

The key here is Phil openly holds Kobe accountable and calls the best basketball player out in the media without hesitation. Matter of fact recently he made an on blast statement that Ron Artest is better at running the Triangle offense than Kobe. A player who not only is the best in the sport but has also won chips with him as his feature piece....

Now ask yourself TKF or any other coach apologist what does D'AnToni do other than to make suggestions in the media that "Players may be pressing or fighting the System needing to trust each other more" and for fans to.."Take Some Prozac"......That's passive aggressive, generic, canned, bad attempt at humor, ultra sensitive, and no one will respect this approach. They will walk all over you eventually.

This coach will use up all moments of coddling on players like Duhon/Lee/Felton/Amar'e who have been extremely guilty of not playing up to expectations for long periods of time. But he sure is quick to blast young players or rookies like Hill/AR/Darko/Nate/even Gallo(at times). He's a fake bully, who needs to be bullied in the fullest sense himself. He's a good coach when it comes to offense, he just fails in so many other areas of his job which quite frankly consist a lot of PLAYER MANAGEMENT(the thing Phil Jackson gets applauded for most throughout his career).

Pringles simply sucks at defensive scheme implementation and managing of his personnel.... from egos, to rotations, to playing favorites, to appropriate disciplining, to correct player positions, to player assignments within his scheme, not assessing talent correctly, game awareness(clock and fouls) etc etc.

Brent Barry who actually is a very good in studio analyst who played probably for the best coach since 2000 in Popovich says our problems most certainly involve coaching philosophy and commitment to play the other side of the ball. He also mentions quite often teams love to play us because they know if pressure is applied to the team we'll crack eventually.

so your a player apologist... whats the difference? Is Artest played here would he played hard on defense? Raja Bell was first NBA defensive team under MDA.

When Doc told TMAc to play this way TMac quit on him and got Doc fired. It happens all the time. This notion that a "good coach" can push or bully soft players into being tough is highlarious to me. Certain coaches have made breakthoughs with certain players and helped their careers. OThers have been cannon fodder.

Phil JAckson's won 11 rings. He can say anything he wants, and the quote makes ZERO sense because just this season Artest said he doesnt understand the offense, runs to a spot and stand there not knowing what to do next. From his mouth.

Every coach here has been killed by posters. Guys killed Chaney. Guys killed Lenny. EVERYONE killed Larry. Now its MDAs turn. When the talent gets better and PLAYS better the coaching will look a lot better also.

Was Nash a great defensive player in Dallas? Is Dirk now? Cmon people

I'm not a player apologist? Not sure how you got that out of what I wrote when I touched on "coddling" and "accountability" and "favoritism"

I think Melo sucks incorporating his talents into a TEAM concept

I think Amar'e is absolutely horrible at rebounding and manning the interior

I think Douglas is one of the most thirsty players I've ever seen in my lifetime

Don't get me started on Effries

I think Billups is out to pasture... probably should play coming off the bench at this stage in his career(I was suggesting Denver trade him last year for Iggy if at all possible so Lawson could run the show)

The rest of the roster is par for course throughout the league

Doesn't matter this coach has a far better roster than he's had since coming here and he has to show he's capable of getting the most out of whatever is set before him. Otherwise you're just indicting the GM as putting a poorly constructed roster together and stamping down Amar'e and Melo as less than desirable Stars in this game. We can't keep turning the roster over to prop up the coach. That's bass ackwards philosophy here

For the record I don't think Phil truly feels Ron Artest grasp the scheme better than Kobe. It's his way of telling Kobe cut out the bullchit. If D'AnToni's lack of ring credentials is the reason he has no say to speak blunt truth about his players 1-12 in the media when appropriate, once again we have the wrong coach on the bench.

So now it's about calling out players in the press? That is how good coaches are supposed to work? Seriously? Were even watching during Larry Brown/Marbury saga?

Sure......

Rick Carlisle 2weeks ago called his whole team soft.....lol and they are having a great season and in contention.

Only the strong TEAMS and PLAYERS respond to such constructive criticism. I didn't say go to the press with personal beefs. There's a way this can be done so the point gets across.

I could name several more examples such as

Doc Rivers calling Big Baby a Big baby

Nate McMillan saying his team isn't listening to him during games and calling out Andre Miller

SVG telling Dwight Howard to stop focusing on how much he isn't getting the ball but instead maintain his high level of defensive play

Eric Spoelstra essentially telling Lebron to check his ego

Yep and I wouldn't want any of them coaching here except may be Doc and I am not wild about him. Calling players out in the media only shows they don't actually have any control on those players. Not that I expect coaches to control grown men who also happen to be multi millionaires. I just think its bad form to take your team's internal issues to the media.

If you want to call someone out do it in front of the team and that should be enough, any coach who wants to incite a media circus will get eaten alive in NY.

Juice wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Juice wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Juice wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juice wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:awesome article.

MDA is not the coach for this team. we have two of the top scorers in the game. we don't need his gimmick offense. we need a new coach who will garner the players respect, make them play defense, make them play as a team.

this team's gonna get stomped in the first round. adios

how is ball movement and spacing a gimmick?

I bet if we got Deanre Jordon, Reggie Evans, Raja Bell and Toney Allen we would be a good defensive team

ISO basketball is the WORST to watch.

ISO Basketball is also a thing of the past.. which is why when kobe goes into his iso mode, phil jackson digs into kobe....

it is not winning basketball.. those days are done!!

The key here is Phil openly holds Kobe accountable and calls the best basketball player out in the media without hesitation. Matter of fact recently he made an on blast statement that Ron Artest is better at running the Triangle offense than Kobe. A player who not only is the best in the sport but has also won chips with him as his feature piece....

Now ask yourself TKF or any other coach apologist what does D'AnToni do other than to make suggestions in the media that "Players may be pressing or fighting the System needing to trust each other more" and for fans to.."Take Some Prozac"......That's passive aggressive, generic, canned, bad attempt at humor, ultra sensitive, and no one will respect this approach. They will walk all over you eventually.

This coach will use up all moments of coddling on players like Duhon/Lee/Felton/Amar'e who have been extremely guilty of not playing up to expectations for long periods of time. But he sure is quick to blast young players or rookies like Hill/AR/Darko/Nate/even Gallo(at times). He's a fake bully, who needs to be bullied in the fullest sense himself. He's a good coach when it comes to offense, he just fails in so many other areas of his job which quite frankly consist a lot of PLAYER MANAGEMENT(the thing Phil Jackson gets applauded for most throughout his career).

Pringles simply sucks at defensive scheme implementation and managing of his personnel.... from egos, to rotations, to playing favorites, to appropriate disciplining, to correct player positions, to player assignments within his scheme, not assessing talent correctly, game awareness(clock and fouls) etc etc.

Brent Barry who actually is a very good in studio analyst who played probably for the best coach since 2000 in Popovich says our problems most certainly involve coaching philosophy and commitment to play the other side of the ball. He also mentions quite often teams love to play us because they know if pressure is applied to the team we'll crack eventually.

so your a player apologist... whats the difference? Is Artest played here would he played hard on defense? Raja Bell was first NBA defensive team under MDA.

When Doc told TMAc to play this way TMac quit on him and got Doc fired. It happens all the time. This notion that a "good coach" can push or bully soft players into being tough is highlarious to me. Certain coaches have made breakthoughs with certain players and helped their careers. OThers have been cannon fodder.

Phil JAckson's won 11 rings. He can say anything he wants, and the quote makes ZERO sense because just this season Artest said he doesnt understand the offense, runs to a spot and stand there not knowing what to do next. From his mouth.

Every coach here has been killed by posters. Guys killed Chaney. Guys killed Lenny. EVERYONE killed Larry. Now its MDAs turn. When the talent gets better and PLAYS better the coaching will look a lot better also.

Was Nash a great defensive player in Dallas? Is Dirk now? Cmon people

I'm not a player apologist? Not sure how you got that out of what I wrote when I touched on "coddling" and "accountability" and "favoritism"

I think Melo sucks incorporating his talents into a TEAM concept

I think Amar'e is absolutely horrible at rebounding and manning the interior

I think Douglas is one of the most thirsty players I've ever seen in my lifetime

Don't get me started on Effries

I think Billups is out to pasture... probably should play coming off the bench at this stage in his career(I was suggesting Denver trade him last year for Iggy if at all possible so Lawson could run the show)

The rest of the roster is par for course throughout the league

Doesn't matter this coach has a far better roster than he's had since coming here and he has to show he's capable of getting the most out of whatever is set before him. Otherwise you're just indicting the GM as putting a poorly constructed roster together and stamping down Amar'e and Melo as less than desirable Stars in this game. We can't keep turning the roster over to prop up the coach. That's bass ackwards philosophy here

For the record I don't think Phil truly feels Ron Artest grasp the scheme better than Kobe. It's his way of telling Kobe cut out the bullchit. If D'AnToni's lack of ring credentials is the reason he has no say to speak blunt truth about his players 1-12 in the media when appropriate, once again we have the wrong coach on the bench.

So now it's about calling out players in the press? That is how good coaches are supposed to work? Seriously? Were even watching during Larry Brown/Marbury saga?

Sure......

Rick Carlisle 2weeks ago called his whole team soft.....lol and they are having a great season and in contention.

Only the strong TEAMS and PLAYERS respond to such constructive criticism. I didn't say go to the press with personal beefs. There's a way this can be done so the point gets across.

I could name several more examples such as

Doc Rivers calling Big Baby a Big baby

Nate McMillan saying his team isn't listening to him during games and calling out Andre Miller

SVG telling Dwight Howard to stop focusing on how much he isn't getting the ball but instead maintain his high level of defensive play

Eric Spoelstra essentially telling Lebron to check his ego

Yep and I wouldn't want any of them coaching here except may be Doc and I am not wild about him. Calling players out in the media only shows they don't actually have any control on those players. Not that I expect coaches to control grown men who also happen to be multi millionaires. I just think its bad form to take your team's internal issues to the media.

If you want to call someone out do it in front of the team and that should be enough, any coach who wants to incite a media circus will get eaten alive in NY.

Okay you don't see what good that would do

I'll raise you and say...

What good does it do when Carmelo goes to the Media and informs everyone the coaches didn't prepare them to make adjustments to Tyler Hansbrough?

What good does it do when Amar'e goes to the media and informs everyone the players aren't sure what to do defensively?

Keep that ish in house right?

Yup, I hve no respect for people who do that. I am not defending Melo or Amare. What they did was a poor example of professionalism and they should be ashamed of themselves.