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SlimChin
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3/18/2011  9:44 AM
it's because opposing teams don't give him the opportunities in the paint anymore and he'll get mauled by 2-3 defenders if he tries to go up strong. that's why he's adjusted and developed his mid range jumper.

yeah his knees are probably hurting right now but now that Melo's here, MDA gives him more time to rest.

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3/18/2011  10:14 AM
The Conspiracy Dudes

"This is why the Knicks not targeting a capable offensive big when they had the chance was so puzzling"

Not so puzzling if you consider Donnie Walsh was blindsided by the raping and pillaging of the Knicks rotation as mandated by Dolan. Donnie might have had a perfectly human reaction. "You want Carmelo at any cost, you got him... I'm outta here anyway by the Summer... you guys can figure it out..."

Donnie masked his disenchantment by simply stepping aside and not saying, or doing, much.

Donnie is simply playing out the string until he retires.

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3/18/2011  10:24 AM
SlimChin wrote:it's because opposing teams don't give him the opportunities in the paint anymore and he'll get mauled by 2-3 defenders if he tries to go up strong. that's why he's adjusted and developed his mid range jumper.

yeah his knees are probably hurting right now but now that Melo's here, MDA gives him more time to rest.

Yeah, let's face it. He don't have Nash to spoon feed a few easy basket per game anymore. He's had to work harder and it's no surprise he's wearing out. At the very least, his jump shooting has become a consistent enough that I don't mind him shooting it. But I can't deny that I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy. There are some moments when I feel like I'm looking at Chris webber at the tail end of his career.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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3/18/2011  11:25 AM
misterearl wrote:The Conspiracy Dudes

"This is why the Knicks not targeting a capable offensive big when they had the chance was so puzzling"

Not so puzzling if you consider Donnie Walsh was blindsided by the raping and pillaging of the Knicks rotation as mandated by Dolan. Donnie might have had a perfectly human reaction. "You want Carmelo at any cost, you got him... I'm outta here anyway by the Summer... you guys can figure it out..."

Donnie masked his disenchantment by simply stepping aside and not saying, or doing, much.

Donnie is simply playing out the string until he retires.

Giving up what we had to give up to get Melo had NOTHING AT ALL to do with not targeting a much better all-around bigman instead of Jared Jeffries leading up to the waiver wire deadline. ZERO.

We slept on Chris Johnson, Jeff Adrien, Troy Murphy, Marcus Cousin, Earl Barron..Other teams gave these guys a shot, why could we?? What ever happened to Veron Goodridge?? I even would've went with a Courtney Sims or a Sean Williams over Jeffries, I don't care what the rap is on these guys..I would've made any of those guys work and we would've been much better off.

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3/18/2011  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2011  11:37 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SlimChin wrote:it's because opposing teams don't give him the opportunities in the paint anymore and he'll get mauled by 2-3 defenders if he tries to go up strong. that's why he's adjusted and developed his mid range jumper.

yeah his knees are probably hurting right now but now that Melo's here, MDA gives him more time to rest.

Yeah, let's face it. He don't have Nash to spoon feed a few easy basket per game anymore. He's had to work harder and it's no surprise he's wearing out. At the very least, his jump shooting has become a consistent enough that I don't mind him shooting it. But I can't deny that I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy. There are some moments when I feel like I'm looking at Chris webber at the tail end of his career.

wow.. talk about overreacting...

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3/18/2011  12:02 PM
tkf wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
SlimChin wrote:it's because opposing teams don't give him the opportunities in the paint anymore and he'll get mauled by 2-3 defenders if he tries to go up strong. that's why he's adjusted and developed his mid range jumper.

yeah his knees are probably hurting right now but now that Melo's here, MDA gives him more time to rest.

Yeah, let's face it. He don't have Nash to spoon feed a few easy basket per game anymore. He's had to work harder and it's no surprise he's wearing out. At the very least, his jump shooting has become a consistent enough that I don't mind him shooting it. But I can't deny that I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy. There are some moments when I feel like I'm looking at Chris webber at the tail end of his career.

wow.. talk about overreacting...


Yeah, I know. But there are times I see STAT moving around a half a step slow and those thoughts do creep in the back of mind. The man is on track to play the most minutes that he ever has in a season and there is a reason that Phoenix didn't want to sign him to a fully guaranteed five-year deal.
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misterearl
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3/18/2011  12:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2011  12:09 PM
Thinking In The First Person Frustrates Finestrg But Not The Answer Man

Finestrg: We slept on Chris Johnson, Jeff Adrien, Troy Murphy, Marcus Cousin, Earl Barron..

AM: Who is this "we" you refer to?

Finestrg: Other teams gave these guys a shot, why could we?'

AM: There is that "we" thing again. There is no "we" in President of Basketball Operations

Finestrg: What ever happened to Veron Goodridge?

A. Nothing

Finestrg: I even would've went with a Courtney Sims or a Sean Williams over Jeffries.

Cool, but you are not Donnie Walsh. And this ain't fantasy league.

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misterearl
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3/18/2011  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2011  2:55 PM
In Donnie We Trusted

The easiest thing in the world to do is sit back and second guess another persons work and say "I woulda done this"... or... "I woulda done that"

Finestrng - you not only avoided any rationale for these transactions, you simply covet the next shiny object without offering any context or reason why it works.

What is being suggested is a reason WHY Donnie may NOT have made a move to the much-coveted Courtney Sims... who, at last look... was still laboring in the minor leagues. Is there a reason why Courtney Sims is not taking his talents to any one of 30 markets?

Here is an alternate take based on reality. Donnie is tired. He is past retirement age. He just had his hip replaced and he needs mechanical assistance just to get to the gym. Donnie had Dolan's spray some last minute grafitti over the work of art he was about to complete in a few short months. After all the capology and maneuvering, ownerships impatience and craving for Carmelo had to be deflating. The ticket price increase was just bad timing and a clear sign of ownerships agenda. Donnie Walsh's work here is done.

Donnie Walsh is about to leave the building.

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3/18/2011  12:45 PM
misterearl wrote:In Donnie We Trusted

The easiest thing in the world to do is sit back and second guess another persons work and say "I woulda done this"... or... "I woulda done that"

Finestrng - you not avoided any rationale for these transactions, you simply covet the next shiny object without offering any context or reason why it works.

What is being suggested is a reason WHY Donnie may NOT have made a move to the much-coveted Courtney Sims... who, at last look... was still laboring in the minor leagues. Is there a reason why Courtney Sims is not taking his talents to any one of 30 markets?

Here is an alternate take based on reality. Donnie is tired. He is past retirement age. He just had his hip replaced and he needs mechanical assistance just to get to the gym. Donnie had Dolan's spray some last minute grafitti over the work of art he was about to complete in a few short months. After all the capology and maneuvering, ownerships impatience and craving for Carmelo had to be deflating. The ticket price increase was just bad timing and a clear sign of ownerships agenda. Donnie Walsh's work here is done.

Donnie Walsh is about to leave the building.

And no one should vilify him if he chooses to do so.

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3/18/2011  12:50 PM
misterearl wrote:Thinking In The First Person Frustrates Finestrg But Not The Answer Man

Finestrg: We slept on Chris Johnson, Jeff Adrien, Troy Murphy, Marcus Cousin, Earl Barron..

AM: Who is this "we" you refer to?

Finestrg: Other teams gave these guys a shot, why could we?'

AM: There is that "we" thing again. There is no "we" in President of Basketball Operations

Finestrg: What ever happened to Veron Goodridge?

A. Nothing

Finestrg: I even would've went with a Courtney Sims or a Sean Williams over Jeffries.

Cool, but you are not Donnie Walsh. And this ain't fantasy league.

Earl, you left out the most entertaining part.

Finestrg wrote:I don't care what the rap is on these guys..I would've made any of those guys work and we would've been much better off.

Sounds like someone who should be employed by a team in the NBA rather than posting on bball forums.

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3/18/2011  12:51 PM
It looks to me like STAT is simply being smart. He's taking every precaution to protect his legs and when he needs to drive he is still quick enough to get by his man. I think he's making a conscious decision to dial back all the dunking and going after shots right now to conserve his legs. This is s long season and there's no way he could keep up the pace he was on. They need him to play the extra 2 minutes he's giving and so he seems to be taking the low contact low impact way of playing to protect himself.
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3/18/2011  1:40 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Im not seeing that. He could be dialing it back a tad for the playoffs though.

No need to try to dunk though defenders at this point.

for like the first 2 or 3 months of the season, Amare would try to dunk every shot he could, and generally that's been his MO for his career. He doesn't do that any more, and usually that's a sign that his legs aren't right. Amare never does a layup when he can dunk.

You know how KG will goal-tend a shot after a foul has been called and it's obvious the refs won't give the offensive player a continuation? Or he makes sure the player doesnt see the ball go in the hoop after he shoots after the timeout whistle? Amare did that at the beginning of this year too, probably for a show of intimidation and leadership on the defensive side of the court. Well, he doesn't do that any more. He is too tired, no legs.


Can't remember which game, but i've seen him do it recently. At least since the Melo trade.
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3/18/2011  1:49 PM
technomaster wrote:Amare is currently averaging a league best 29.2ppg in the month of March. However... he's only averaging 6.4rpg and .9bpg, both his lowest all season. In mid-Feb (around when he sprained his knee) he started putting on all of this Patrick Ewing-like knee sleeves + knee pads. Now he's wearing the full leggings.

I hope it's just a bit of fatigue + him clearing out to make space for Carmelo, and NOT him showing any new permanent damage to his knees.

How much of this is attributed to the new players? Jeffries, some of the other guys in there getting rebounds. To fully understand the drop in numbers like rebounds, you'd have to look at the other players and team numbers as well to see if his drop correlated to an increase in someone else. I can easily see him now allowing Jeffries or Anthony to grab a board or two.

He does look tired, Knicks are playing a ton of games in March, combine that with the minutes he's played this season. I like the fact that he is so pure with his jump shot, it shows me progression. It shows me that long after the athletic abilities leave him, he'll still be able to be effective. He was never a stand out defender, he's still active on weak side blocks. The extra pads, I can only guess is extra protection, he's taking a couple of hits to the legs/knees this season. Like Billups, you don't want to knock knees with someone like howard.

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3/18/2011  1:50 PM
tj23 wrote:Amare Is just a bad stuPid lazy defender hOnestly. He has ability but no focus instincts or dsiscipline. He needs a def coach

the most frustrating thing is watching him give up the baseline. his man to man D is horrible. he does have his share of blocks but a lot of it comes from when he's helping on the weak side. the team as a whole does not know how to clog up the middle; i've never seen so many point guards penetrate on one team.

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3/18/2011  1:58 PM
SlimChin wrote:
tj23 wrote:Amare Is just a bad stuPid lazy defender hOnestly. He has ability but no focus instincts or dsiscipline. He needs a def coach

the most frustrating thing is watching him give up the baseline. his man to man D is horrible. he does have his share of blocks but a lot of it comes from when he's helping on the weak side. the team as a whole does not know how to clog up the middle; i've never seen so many point guards penetrate on one team.


it is terrible, but i see alot of non communicating going on. how much of that is due to the new team, i don't know. But watching the knicks this season, they switch on most picks.
Lately whats happening is, they switch sometimes, and don't communicate. person scores and they look at each other like it was a blown coverage.
Or, you have a guy like TD who is aggressive, the big man doesn't tell him the pick is coming. TD gets leveled, like WTF, you have to stand next to the guy to defend him, else it would be illegal D. So open your mouth and yell pick, so it's the communication. D is so swiss cheese, we let everyone thru. They need an atheltic big man who can rebound and block shots, but this big also needs to be able to hit a 15ft jumper in order for the offense to work. Who is that guy?

In Phoenix, they had better wing defenders, so less guys got into the paint.
Its a real problem, because in the east, you have to go through Rondo and Rose.

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3/19/2011  6:22 AM
Amare hasn't played any decent defense at all. Besides his shot blocking ability, whicch is only 2 or 3 plays a game, he is the biggest weakness on our defense. I blame Dantoni to a certain degree also. But we do everything unconventionally. When a pick comes, a team has a few options. The big can show help as the guard fights through the pick, which is what almost all good defenses do but we do about 1% of the time if that. You can have the guard go under the pick if its a rajon rondo and force them to shoot, you can switch which leads to a bad matchup for the defense a lot, or the guard can get over the screen while amare sits back in the paint watching as the offense comes down the lane with a wide open mid range shot or a 2 on 1 that breaks down the defense and leads to a layup, open 3, or off rebound. Blame the coach or the players, either way this defense is trash. Amare should be leading by example...
Amare's legs are shot right now, no explosion

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