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nykshaknbake
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3/15/2011  6:32 PM
But when the other team is on an 8 or 10-0 run the pace is usally pretty fast. ANd that's what the offense is about. If we called a TO we would miss out on our turn.

Panos wrote:I don't care what the roster is. A coach should be able to make in game adjustments, know when to call a time out, draw up a last play, etc. 'Antoni can't even do those things right.
He should delegate out the in-game coaching to someone else and stick to being an offensive coordinator.
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3/15/2011  7:11 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:Nobody is asking for us to become a defensive monster, but that doesn't excuse being a bottom feeder. People get upset when they see everyone having career nights against our team and all the missed rotations, uncontested drives and open 3s that shouldn't exist in a HS basketball game. The team is capable of more than that.

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3/15/2011  7:40 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Hardly anyone minded D'antoni's ineptitude for the first few years because of the lack of talent on this roster. There were no all stars, the young guys needed time to mature, and the team just wasn't playoff ready. He needed the right guys to run his offensive system. Now that he has two perennial all star caliber players, his weaknesses are clearly beginning to show. The team can produce offensively, which is what he wanted. However, the defense still remains a glaring issue, just like it was in his earlier Knicks days. The excuses are beginning to fade by the day with this coach. He advocated the Melo trade, which is why I don't even know why some D'antoni supporters are blaming the trade for this team's lack of defensive commitment. D'antoni got a free pass when the team was filled with bottom feeders. Now its his job to get his all star caliber roster to commit to a defensive philosophy, but we have still yet to see results.

all i know is if MDA can't win games vs teams like the Cavs & Pacers with 2 elite players like he's got now, he doesn't deserve to be coaching... he better right the ship & quick tonight's game these guys better come out angry & hungry to put a hurtin' on the Pacers who just embarassed them on their home floor the other night & make a clear statement that these players are committed to playing well the rest of the way, otherwise why are we even paying this coach to lead this team?

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3/15/2011  7:59 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:He has never had players that doubled as defensive players

Shawn Marrion, Raja Bell and Steven Hunter were all excellent defender.

AMARE says "no one ever tought me how to play defense"

Well I wonder who were his NBA coaches who committed such an atrocity? Kevin Garnett did not go to college and someone taught him how to play defense.

mostly I did mean as a team, poor choice of phrasing from me, and you are correct, Shawn Marion and Bell were excellent defenders. 2 dudes. But 3 of MDA's long time starters were pretty much below average or inept and yet played heavy minutes for the team: Center, Amare, Nash; 3 very important cogs.

I laugh when anyone mentions Steven Hunter. Never include him on any list except one that fits for DLeague all-star or hustle player.

Yes, Hunter was an aweful offensive player (probably better than Jefferies though) but a very good defender which is the only reason why he got minutes.

And as far as Amare, one of the super athletes weve ever seen when he came into the NBA. Why did MDA not make him play defense?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/15/2011  8:18 PM
Couple things I notice in the Indy game and has been happening for a while now. So we are getting pounded on the boards in the 1st and what does MDa do? Gets smaller by moving Amare to the 5 (He is a horrible rebounding 4, what makes anyone think he will grab more Re's at the 5?) and brings in Shawn Williams to play the 4. Unreal! He does this quite often. Whenever we fall behind and the other team gets hot, instead of bringing in more defensive players, MDA's philosophy is "we need more points" so he goes offense. We need a philosphy change and judging by what went down in Pho, MDA aint changing.
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3/15/2011  8:20 PM
Uptown wrote:Couple things I notice in the Indy game and has been happening for a while now. So we are getting pounded on the boards in the 1st and what does MDa do? Gets smaller by moving Amare to the 5 (He is a horrible rebounding 4, what makes anyone think he will grab more Re's at the 5?) and brings in Shawn Williams to play the 4. Unreal! He does this quite often. Whenever we fall behind and the other team gets hot, instead of bringing in more defensive players, MDA's philosophy is "we need more points" so he goes offense. We need a philosphy change and judging by what went down in Pho, MDA aint changing.

LOL - I love cut and paste!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/15/2011  8:21 PM
mreinman wrote:
Uptown wrote:Couple things I notice in the Indy game and has been happening for a while now. So we are getting pounded on the boards in the 1st and what does MDa do? Gets smaller by moving Amare to the 5 (He is a horrible rebounding 4, what makes anyone think he will grab more Re's at the 5?) and brings in Shawn Williams to play the 4. Unreal! He does this quite often. Whenever we fall behind and the other team gets hot, instead of bringing in more defensive players, MDA's philosophy is "we need more points" so he goes offense. We need a philosphy change and judging by what went down in Pho, MDA aint changing.

LOL - I love cut and paste!
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3/15/2011  8:49 PM
FIRE _'ANTONI NOW!!!!!!
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3/15/2011  9:13 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote: Now that he has two perennial all star caliber players, his weaknesses are clearly beginning to show. The team can produce offensively, which is what he wanted. However, the defense still remains a glaring issue, just like it was in his earlier Knicks days. The excuses are beginning to fade by the day with this coach. He advocated the Melo trade, which is why I don't even know why some D'antoni supporters are blaming the trade for this team's lack of defensive commitment. D'antoni got a free pass when the team was filled with bottom feeders. Now its his job to get his all star caliber roster to commit to a defensive philosophy, but we have still yet to see results.

Since when did having all star caliber players = players who could defend? You are glossing over key facts because of a starphucking mentality.

Rose is not the answer.
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3/15/2011  9:25 PM
knickstorrents wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote: Now that he has two perennial all star caliber players, his weaknesses are clearly beginning to show. The team can produce offensively, which is what he wanted. However, the defense still remains a glaring issue, just like it was in his earlier Knicks days. The excuses are beginning to fade by the day with this coach. He advocated the Melo trade, which is why I don't even know why some D'antoni supporters are blaming the trade for this team's lack of defensive commitment. D'antoni got a free pass when the team was filled with bottom feeders. Now its his job to get his all star caliber roster to commit to a defensive philosophy, but we have still yet to see results.

Since when did having all star caliber players = players who could defend? You are glossing over key facts because of a starphucking mentality.


Just say it can ncver have anything to do with D'Antoni.
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3/15/2011  9:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote: Now that he has two perennial all star caliber players, his weaknesses are clearly beginning to show. The team can produce offensively, which is what he wanted. However, the defense still remains a glaring issue, just like it was in his earlier Knicks days. The excuses are beginning to fade by the day with this coach. He advocated the Melo trade, which is why I don't even know why some D'antoni supporters are blaming the trade for this team's lack of defensive commitment. D'antoni got a free pass when the team was filled with bottom feeders. Now its his job to get his all star caliber roster to commit to a defensive philosophy, but we have still yet to see results.

Since when did having all star caliber players = players who could defend? You are glossing over key facts because of a starphucking mentality.


Just say it can ncver have anything to do with D'Antoni.

Only if we win.

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3/15/2011  9:52 PM
holy sh!t i just realized that if dantoni gets fired im prob not a knick fan anymore.


Had enough Melo?
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3/15/2011  9:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  9:59 PM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:holy sh!t i just realized that if dantoni gets fired im prob not a knick fan anymore.


If this is true, then you never were a Knickfan any way.
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3/15/2011  10:16 PM
Uptown wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:holy sh!t i just realized that if dantoni gets fired im prob not a knick fan anymore.


If this is true, then you never were a Knickfan any way.

And you are a masochist.

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3/15/2011  10:33 PM
For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.
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3/15/2011  10:46 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
Uptown wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:holy sh!t i just realized that if dantoni gets fired im prob not a knick fan anymore.


If this is true, then you never were a Knickfan any way.

And you are a masochist.

haha maybe.

the man is a good coach.


Had enough Melo?
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3/15/2011  10:46 PM
We've had MDA for 3 seasons already. WHat has he shown you in that time? I think MDA has been given plenty of time to show his stuff and he sucks. If you're a good coach with bad players you're going to still have a team with alot of positives. It seems so many nights we are outhustled and outsmarted. No heart and no brains. If a coach's job isn't to provide leadership and can't help with that, than what's the harm in firing him?

Nalod wrote:For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.
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3/15/2011  10:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  10:51 PM
Nalod wrote:For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.

Where was the defensive adjustment to Hansbrough? Why was Hibbert making clutch plays late? How come Collison could do whatever he wanted tonight? How come we lost to the Pacers with and without Granger in the lineup? The Pacers made the bulk of their plays from the perimeter not the interior.

Not sure if there is a better coach available at the moment who you can clearly say is better than Pringles besides....

Sloan(Yes but is he available)
Jackson(Yes but will he continue to coach)

Hubie(not available)
Fratello(bridge burned maybe)
JVG(bridge burned down)

Lawrence Frank(maybe)
Mike Brown(sheesh who knows)
Nellie(bridge burned .....repeat debacle plus too intoxicated)
Jim O'Brien(well an interim is doing as good a job0
Mike Dunleavy(No)
Dwayne Casey(?)
Eddie Jordan(?)
Mussleman(?)
Terry Stotts(?)
Terry Porter(?)
Mo Cheeks(?)
Mark Jackson(?)
Mario Elie(?)
Patrick Ewing(?)
Sam Cassell(?)
Larry Brown(can't go there ever)


Then again when Silas and Collins were available no one thought much of them.
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3/15/2011  10:49 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:We've had MDA for 3 seasons already. WHat has he shown you in that time? I think MDA has been given plenty of time to show his stuff and he sucks. If you're a good coach with bad players you're going to still have a team with alot of positives. It seems so many nights we are outhustled and outsmarted. No heart and no brains. If a coach's job isn't to provide leadership and can't help with that, than what's the harm in firing him?

Nalod wrote:For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.

don't mind him, he's a coachphucher

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3/15/2011  10:50 PM
I think Mike Brown deserves a shot somewhere. I don't think Dolan would take naything less than a big name though. Hell I think when Ewing gets a chance he;s going to do a decent job somewhere. I think if Phil jackson is available he'd come here. I don't know if Sloan could coach guys like STAT and Melo. He's too old school and would alienate them pretty wuick i think.

All I know is that our coach is a big problem. I hope he proves me wrong.
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