TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

Are they good enough to fetch a superstar? How about a superstar and a former all-star? If they are then they must be pretty good.

that's completely ignoring the circumstances under which that deal was made do u really think we get Melo & Billups in any trade for our guys if he didn't make it known he wanted to come play for the Knicks & forced his way out of Denver? our guys were good young players but let's get real there wasn't a star player among them & we got back 2... if any of those 5 guys we gave up end up to be star players themselves we can revisit this topic but now is not the time to be throwing dirt on that trade.

Not throwing dirt on the trade. I am just trying to make a point that our role players that was traded away were very good. IF they were not any good then we would never be in any position to trade for Melo and get Billups as well. People keep saying they are no good yet the fact is they were good enough to fetch you Melo and Billups. What's done is done. I am rooting for my Knicks. I am also rooting for the Knuggets.

It's a pretty stupid question to ask if Melo wasn't driving the team.
You would have to discount the first six years of Nene career when he was a fat slobb who couldn't play more then 20 mins a night to think he was.
The often injury Kenyon martin, Bird kicked out of the nba for a year, Afflo and Lawson came on board a year ago,knuckle head Jr smith and Al harrington.............. yeah those guys were the reason why the Nuggets been in the playoffs for 8 seasons. They were a 8 games over most of the season, Melo is a proven player.

Lol, knick land is a funny place. I would say wait until this team gels but it won't matter. I think most of of know the players we gave up were bench and role players and what we have here is a chance to make an unstoppable contender.

Or we could wait for the perfect super star(LBJ) see how holding the bag feels again................

Bonn1997 wrote:

MS wrote:What really makes someone a star player. We had David Lee and Zach Randolph.

Zach Randolph 20pts 13rbs
Amare 26pts 8rbs

So who is the better player. Memphis is 36-31 the Knicks are 34-31

Why can't everyone look at what Denver is doing and ask the simple question. Was it really Carmelo that was driving this team all these years. Or did Nene, Affalo, Lawson, Smith, Birdman, etc have more a part in winning then Melo.

So far Melo has proven to be a sub par defender that commits one game and fades the next. We are a ****ing disgrace on defense. We gave up 144 to the Bucks (91.2), 119/115 to the Cavs (95) and 106 Pacers (99). We were a top 3 team offensively. Why did we need Melo? Where does he make us better?

So now we are capped out for the rest of tim with two guys that don't play defense and take up 46 million in the cap

Wow, I don't think I could have written it any better than that.

Better? You've never even come close.

ouch

MS wrote:Felton 22pts 12as and Chandler 21pts 7rbs and another win. We play the Nuggets in a series we lose plain and simple. They win the series 4-1.

And Denver isn't squeaking out wins they are beating teams by double digits.

Look for Donnie not to be back because at 49 % on season tickets for the 7th seed we should be happy to support our owners vision of multiple first round exits.

Again Chandler/Gallo long term > Melo. Same less money more points, assists, rebounds, blks and defense.

Most Knick fans see every game from here on out coming down to the last shot and Melo making the majority of them. They live in reality while telling others let's be reality.

Nuggets 6-1 without Gallo....6-1 with Chandler as a starter....8-2 overall have been in every single game since the trade, are winning on the road, are winning a good chunk of these games relatively easily, offense is at an all time high rapidly improving defensively, they may have the most potent point guard duo in the NBA right now, killer depth, play hard every night, are young, have a bright future, a solid battle tested coach, and are coming on strong in a very tough western conference.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Juice wrote:Would I trade Melo/Billups for

Felton
Chandler
Gallo
Mozgov
Draft Pick 2014
Draft Pick swap 2016
Cash

Is that what you're asking me?

Yeah, since we were much better off before the trade. Since you're so in awe of the Nuggets since the trade you know that Chandler is averaging 13.4 PPG Shooting 43% from the field and Felton 9 PPG and 6 assists shooting 41% from the field with the Nuggets. Gallo's number are almost identical in two games he's palyes thus far. Seems to me that the other players on the Nuggets have stepped up their games.

Maybe Carmelo was having a negative impact on them...

I tend to agree with this. Every player we gave up in that trade is playing at a level below what they were at when they played here. It's still too early, but I think Denver's play has more to do with the fact that they can now focus on the rest of the season.

i liked our team a lot - at times.

but when the scorecard came in and it was time to take a risk in either direction, i saw a bunch of guys who had been extremely inconsistent. Who had managed to not show up with intensity on plenty of nights, bombed away from deep excessively and unsuccessfully many nights, made boneheaded plays, repeatedly got beaten inside and often didn’t rebound. who were racking up numbers and positioning themselves to get paid a la david lee. who had again for the 2nd time this season dropped 6 in a row. who were 2 over .500 at the all-star break.

i don't begrudge them at all contributing to a denver team that's playing well right now.

i'm glad we took the risk we ended up taking. watching us against miami, atlanta, utah, memphis, orlando (till chauncey went down and jameer went nuts) . . . i like the potential of this team. but we gotta get it done. those cleveland, dallas and indiana losses were as disheartening as the stinkers that the team laid many times during the first half of the season. as is our record.

Uptown wrote:

misterearl wrote:Raymond Felton, one of four players traded to Denver in the Anthony deal, boasted to HoopsHype.com, “We’re a better team, I feel like.”

So FishMike starts a thread calling Amare "Classy" after refusing to be baited into taking a shot at his teammates after the Memphis game. Felton clearly takes a shot at his former ballclub and thats accepted here?

What do you expect Felton to say? No secret these guys were shocked and hurt by the trade, everybody saying it's a no-brainer, you have to do this, etc., meanwhile they were probably hoping that they would be playing with Melo come summertime. And they had this club winning (over .500).

This statement doesn't bother me. You are comparing a quote from a heralded All-Star starter to a quote from a guy just got traded to Denver as a "piece" in the Melo trade? Come on son.

The fact that the new-look Knicks isn't providing evidence to the contrary sticks in my craw much more.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Uptown wrote:

misterearl wrote:Raymond Felton, one of four players traded to Denver in the Anthony deal, boasted to HoopsHype.com, “We’re a better team, I feel like.”

So FishMike starts a thread calling Amare "Classy" after refusing to be baited into taking a shot at his teammates after the Memphis game. Felton clearly takes a shot at his former ballclub and thats accepted here?

What do you expect Felton to say? No secret these guys were shocked and hurt by the trade, everybody saying it's a no-brainer, you have to do this, etc., meanwhile they were probably hoping that they would be playing with Melo come summertime. And they had this club winning (over .500).

This statement doesn't bother me. You are comparing a quote from a heralded All-Star starter to a quote from a guy just got traded to Denver as a "piece" in the Melo trade? Come on son.

The fact that the new-look Knicks isn't providing evidence to the contrary sticks in my craw much more.

My comments have nothing to do with Felton himself, but more about some of the posters here for applauding Amare for not taking a shot at our precious Knuggets but in the same vein, highlighting and silently nodding in agreement to Felton taking shots our new team; a team that some on this board wants no part of.

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Panos wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:9 games to measure their performance. Awesome.

How about their multiple years with the Knicks. Not so good huh?

we since they are winning in Denver maybe we didnt need MElo, maybe we just need a new coach

We did need Melo, because Gallnari and Chandler PROVED that they couldn't get into the postseason by themsleves until a star like Amar'e signed with the team.

And then we had Amar'e, so what's your point?

My point is that our role players just weren't that good.

Are they good enough to fetch a superstar? How about a superstar and a former all-star? If they are then they must be pretty good.

that's completely ignoring the circumstances under which that deal was made do u really think we get Melo & Billups in any trade for our guys if he didn't make it known he wanted to come play for the Knicks & forced his way out of Denver? our guys were good young players but let's get real there wasn't a star player among them & we got back 2... if any of those 5 guys we gave up end up to be star players themselves we can revisit this topic but now is not the time to be throwing dirt on that trade.

Not throwing dirt on the trade. I am just trying to make a point that our role players that was traded away were very good. IF they were not any good then we would never be in any position to trade for Melo and get Billups as well. People keep saying they are no good yet the fact is they were good enough to fetch you Melo and Billups. What's done is done. I am rooting for my Knicks. I am also rooting for the Knuggets.

of course they were good that goes without saying i don't see anyone calling any of those guys scrubs, i really like Gallo & Wilson still do & Felton was a Godsend this season i loved the way he was able to push the tempo & play defense at times, & i think AR still has big upside even though he's still got a ways to go to be smart out there he's still putting up #'s when given the minutes... but those guys were not without their warts either it was becoming more & more clear to me by each day that we needed a lot more than what any of those guys would be able to provide i didn't see us forming the nucleus of a championship run building around any of them, at least that's how i came to feel... doesn't mean i wish them to fail but i'm looking forward w/what this current team can do now i'm very happy with what Donnie Walsh has done... for the first time in God knows how long I feel like we have some real bigtime players that will be able to step up their play in the postseason, i'm much more confident with Chauncey Billups running the point over Ray Felton in big game scenarios & Melo's ability to knock down game winning shots is proven over his entire career... Stat as well he's been huge in crunchtime in a lot of games i've watched having 3 guys that can kill you with daggers like those 3 is gonna be important come playoff time.