mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

MSG3 wrote:MDA needs these guys to compete night in and night out and he has to get past the 1st round to keep his job. Even then I would bring in Phil Jackson if he showed an interest in coaching here.

Wilkins, Chaney, Larry, Isiah, MDA... who cares. When the players are there the wins will be too.

This has the make of a 48 win team every year that might win a first round series here and there for the next 5 years. But we will have 2 all stars and sell out and all that so the excitement is back!

So Wilkins, Chaney, Downtown, Isiah had the same talent that MDA has now? And, being that they had infefior talent they certainly did not deserve to be let go, right?

Are you ok with a bad showing in the first round? There has to be some accountability even for you. Not everyone has MJ/Kobe.

Who cares what talent they had? Did they get their teams to compete every night and exceed expectations? Since that's the only way to grade a coach right?

acknowledging the sarcasm at brushing it aside, YES that is exactly how you grade a coach. If they get the most out of their players, they are doing a GREAT job. It's not that complicated. I don't care if they are bottom-feeders das long as the coach gets the most out of them.

Does catching on the sarcasm, somehow excuse you from answering the question? Go ahead and explain how Larry Brown and Lenny Wilkens got the most out of the Knicks here, day in and day out and exactly how they exceeded expectations. And while you are at it name exactly how many head coaches in teh NBA fits that definition of greatness.

The question does not need to be answered. Why? CAUSE THEY GOT FIRED FOR NOT GETTING THE MOST OUT OF THEIR PLAYERS.

MDA is no different and will suffer the same fate while you are blue in the face defending him. Also, you don't have to be a HOF/Great Coach to get the most out of your players or exceed expectations.

And while I'm at it:

Thibs - team looks hungry to me
COLLINS - kind of obvious
Williams - team has the fighting spirit
Mcmillan - losing Roy and of course Ogden - still pretty pretty good
Carlisle - ooh yeah

Coaches not named "POP, Jax, Doc"

E-F-F-O-R-T needs to be sustained by the fearless leader

And let us not forget: this is the team that MDA wanted - now he must do something with it

So Thibs has coached Rose and Boozer to be elite defenders on a day in day out basis? Take Noah out and tell me what that team does defensively.

Collins is having a good run, hasn't proved anything yet. I'll wait till he keeps this up for an 82 game season with a coupke of roster makeovers thrown in.

Williams - Agreed

Mavs are an elite defensive team? I don't think they make the top 10.

Portland is even further back than Dallas this with Camby on the team. I MDA had Camby and wasn't top 5 in team defense, you would want him fired a month ago.

Our best defensive players are Turiaf and Jeffries. But we can argue till we are blue in the face, you want MDA to change his style - don't hold your breadth.

The coaches I mentioned are getting the most out of their players. Is MDA getting the most out of his players? I say no! He is definitely deficient in defensive stoppers partly because he traded them away. I play (actually on my way now) organized ball for 30 years and it baffles me watching his defensive schemes. Funnelling baseline to nobody, no P N R defense, no one rotating to the shooter and Boxing OUT? way too advanced!!

Losing to cleveland the first time? I could deal with that. But, no well coached team would have blown such a fart the second time. Indiana? puke!

MDA's defense is less than stellar, I never argued that. Boxing out is definitely a key issue and directly leads to abysmal rebounding. Now put Camby in here and see grab 12 boards a game, does that suddenly mean MDA is coaching better defense. Execution matters and we are not executing on either end of the ball right now. MDA didn't trade anyone away.

The one bad part of this was having to give up a few more players than we wanted. That means we have some weaknesses. Still with a little more time this team should be able to get the defensive chemistry down enough to pay winning ball. We just got Chauncey back and i'd like fans to see how things develop the final 17 games before getting too crazy about the job MDA is doing. I believe he's gonna get this team playing at a high level. If this team is clicking by the playoffs we can compete with anyone in the East. If we play a great 1st rd series but lose I think we could live with that, but i'd love to see the team get to the 2nd rd. That would really validate this group. Coach and players.

jimimou wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:My expectations are to play defense and the victories will come. Unfortunately D'Antoni's defensive philosophy is not successful and that will not happen under his reign.

hey greek - barkley agrees with you:

Barkley rips 'D' Knicks for tix hike
Knicks Blog
Berman on TwitterBy BRIAN LEWIS
Last Updated: 3:07 AM, March 15, 2011

It's hard to say what outspoken TNT analyst Charles Barkley ripped worse -- the Knicks for hiking their season-ticket prices or the team's lack of defensive prowess.

After calling Knicks ownership a "disgrace" yesterday on the radio, Barkley continued his attack on "The Late Show with David Letterman." The NBA legend said, despite trading for the offensively-gifted Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks may be the worst defensive club in the history of basketball.

"Oh, they got Carmelo Anthony and everybody's excited," Barkley said. "You know, in the history of basketball . . . first of all, Carmelo's a terrific player, Amar'e [Stoudemire's] a terrific player and I like Landry Fields, but I gotta say, I watched the Knicks play. In the history of all basketball, they may be the worst defensive team ever. They play zero defense, and they're not gonna do well in the long run."

In an interview with WFAN earlier in the day, Barkley ripped Knicks brass for its plan to hike season-ticket prices 49 percent. Season-ticket prices had not been raised the past six years because of owner James Dolan's policy of not raising them when the team doesn't make the playoffs.

"That was a disgrace, a flat-out disgrace," Barkley said. "Come on, that's not fair at all. To raise tickets that much, and I understand that all these guys are trying to make money, but 50 percent is a little extreme. Let me rephrase that, a lot extreme.

"The Knicks have been stinking for a long time and these fans have always been loyal. For them to jab them like that with a 50 percent increase, that's unfair."

Stoudemire said the Knicks owe the Pacers some payback after getting blown out in their own building on Sunday.

"Yeah, it matters. We got to win. They beat us here in New York, so we've got to go back to Indiana and play the revenge game," said Stoudemire.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/barkley_rips_knicks_for_tix_hike_e2yO0nFsKgEFA0keAyHZqL#ixzz1GfmdoNrP

That's just Chuck being Chuck. He doesn't like the Thunder either for lack of D.

nixluva wrote:This team has shown that it can play and win close playoff style games against top teams. We have to separate the way this team has handled the regular season from how they'll play in the playoffs. It's a different animal. This team has for the most part showed up for most of their games against good teams. I feel pretty confident that they'll do that in the playoffs.

nixluva wrote:This team has shown that it can play and win close playoff style games against top teams. We have to separate the way this team has handled the regular season from how they'll play in the playoffs. It's a different animal. This team has for the most part showed up for most of their games against good teams. I feel pretty confident that they'll do that in the playoffs.

I agree with you in the sense that the postseason is a different animal, but no team is going to completely separate their style of play from the regular season going into the playoffs, especially the Knicks. For example, Boston's identity begins with the establishment of their defense. They may tweak a few things here and there for the playoffs, but the key ingredient will remain their defensive identity. For the Knicks, they're going to have to really improve their offensive strategy and shot making ability, which contradicts what most teams look to do, which is tighten up their defense.

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

MSG3 wrote:MDA needs these guys to compete night in and night out and he has to get past the 1st round to keep his job. Even then I would bring in Phil Jackson if he showed an interest in coaching here.

Wilkins, Chaney, Larry, Isiah, MDA... who cares. When the players are there the wins will be too.

This has the make of a 48 win team every year that might win a first round series here and there for the next 5 years. But we will have 2 all stars and sell out and all that so the excitement is back!

So Wilkins, Chaney, Downtown, Isiah had the same talent that MDA has now? And, being that they had infefior talent they certainly did not deserve to be let go, right?

Are you ok with a bad showing in the first round? There has to be some accountability even for you. Not everyone has MJ/Kobe.

Who cares what talent they had? Did they get their teams to compete every night and exceed expectations? Since that's the only way to grade a coach right?

acknowledging the sarcasm at brushing it aside, YES that is exactly how you grade a coach. If they get the most out of their players, they are doing a GREAT job. It's not that complicated. I don't care if they are bottom-feeders das long as the coach gets the most out of them.

Does catching on the sarcasm, somehow excuse you from answering the question? Go ahead and explain how Larry Brown and Lenny Wilkens got the most out of the Knicks here, day in and day out and exactly how they exceeded expectations. And while you are at it name exactly how many head coaches in teh NBA fits that definition of greatness.

The question does not need to be answered. Why? CAUSE THEY GOT FIRED FOR NOT GETTING THE MOST OUT OF THEIR PLAYERS.

MDA is no different and will suffer the same fate while you are blue in the face defending him. Also, you don't have to be a HOF/Great Coach to get the most out of your players or exceed expectations.

And while I'm at it:

Thibs - team looks hungry to me
COLLINS - kind of obvious
Williams - team has the fighting spirit
Mcmillan - losing Roy and of course Ogden - still pretty pretty good
Carlisle - ooh yeah

Coaches not named "POP, Jax, Doc"

E-F-F-O-R-T needs to be sustained by the fearless leader

And let us not forget: this is the team that MDA wanted - now he must do something with it

So Thibs has coached Rose and Boozer to be elite defenders on a day in day out basis? Take Noah out and tell me what that team does defensively.

Collins is having a good run, hasn't proved anything yet. I'll wait till he keeps this up for an 82 game season with a coupke of roster makeovers thrown in.

Williams - Agreed

Mavs are an elite defensive team? I don't think they make the top 10.

Portland is even further back than Dallas this with Camby on the team. I MDA had Camby and wasn't top 5 in team defense, you would want him fired a month ago.

Our best defensive players are Turiaf and Jeffries. But we can argue till we are blue in the face, you want MDA to change his style - don't hold your breadth.

The coaches I mentioned are getting the most out of their players. Is MDA getting the most out of his players? I say no! He is definitely deficient in defensive stoppers partly because he traded them away. I play (actually on my way now) organized ball for 30 years and it baffles me watching his defensive schemes. Funnelling baseline to nobody, no P N R defense, no one rotating to the shooter and Boxing OUT? way too advanced!!

Losing to cleveland the first time? I could deal with that. But, no well coached team would have blown such a fart the second time. Indiana? puke!

MDA's defense is less than stellar, I never argued that. Boxing out is definitely a key issue and directly leads to abysmal rebounding. Now put Camby in here and see grab 12 boards a game, does that suddenly mean MDA is coaching better defense. Execution matters and we are not executing on either end of the ball right now. MDA didn't trade anyone away.

Was MDA not for this trade? Maybe he wasn't but I think he was.

I think if Camby was on the team, they would be a better defensive team? Probably. But not where they should/could be. It is his defensive style/philosophy that is inherintly wrong. Boxing out, PNR Defense, FUNNELING BASELINE!!!

He just does not get it. Of course if MDA coached the 80's/early 90's Pistons they would have been a good defensive team but not nearly as good as they were under Chuck Daley.