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By far--the most under rated propsect on any draft board(becasue he is not on any that i see)
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Olbrannon
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3/12/2011  11:35 PM
Speaking of under the radar...Derwin Kitchen could go late second or even undrafted for all I know. Excellent rebounder and I've seen him knock down some game winners. He'd be worth a Summer League invite and could be a 'Landry' Shoots well off the dribble or spot up.

I think he'll make an excellent off guard who plays heads up and looks for his teammates Not a pure point though he could conceivably get there

Listed at 6'4

Anyone remember Elway refusing to sign with the Colts until they traded him to Denver? Seriously doubt that could happen with Walker so don't see him in a NY uni any time soon

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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3/13/2011  12:07 AM
I'd also like to mention as it went somewhat unnoticed Benson had 28/14/4/3 in their Conference Championship game.
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3/13/2011  12:12 AM
Good finish but UConn made the close out plays.
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3/13/2011  4:59 PM
I like Juan Fernandez from Temple
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3/13/2011  5:08 PM
Olbrannon wrote:Speaking of under the radar...Derwin Kitchen could go late second or even undrafted for all I know. Excellent rebounder and I've seen him knock down some game winners. He'd be worth a Summer League invite and could be a 'Landry' Shoots well off the dribble or spot up.

I think he'll make an excellent off guard who plays heads up and looks for his teammates Not a pure point though he could conceivably get there

Listed at 6'4

Anyone remember Elway refusing to sign with the Colts until they traded him to Denver? Seriously doubt that could happen with Walker so don't see him in a NY uni any time soon


I remember Derwin from the limited time he played at St. John's. I always thought it was tough blow for them when the NCAA ruled him ineligible. He has good size for the point guard position, but I think he probably needs a year or two in the NBDL to tighten his skills. Plus, he's already 25 years old.
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3/13/2011  6:54 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/620652-nba-draft-2011-is-notre-dames-ben-hansbrough-better-than-jimmer-fredette

NBA Draft 2011: Is Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough Better Than Jimmer Fredette?

Notre Dame's Ben Hansbrough might be the most underrated college basketball player in the country. In fact, he might be better than this year's darling, Jimmer Fredette.

He is the best player on a team that is currently ranked in the top 10. He leads Notre Dame in points per game at 18.4, and assists per game at 4.2.

Those are great numbers, and when you consider the conference he plays in, they look even better. He plays in the Big East, the best collection of teams in the country.

He's putting up his stellar numbers against good, athletic guards from schools like Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Villanova and other great programs.

He's third in the conference in points per game, 11th in assists per game, sixth in field goal percentage, third in three-point percentage and sixth in free-throw percentage.

To be at the top of the Big East in all those categories is no small feat.

It's interesting to wonder how good Hansbrough's numbers could be in Jimmer Fredette's Mountain West Conference.

I'm as big a fan of Jimmer as anyone (in fact, I recently predicted that he could win NBA Rookie of the Year in 2012), but he doesn't consistently face the same level of competition as Hansbrough.

You've all heard Fredette's numbers, and obviously they're impressive, but I'm going to argue that Hansbrough's are better (and like I said, he's putting them up against better competition).

Let's start by looking at the numbers (per game) on the surface...

Ben Hansbrough Jimmer Fredette
Points 18.4 27.5
Assists 4.2 4.4
Rebounds 3.8 3.5
Steals 1.3 1.5
Turnovers 2.3 3.4
Field Goal % 48% 45%
Three-Point % 44% 40%
Free Throw % 82% 90%


As you can see, Fredette only has a clear advantage in points and free-throw percentage. Hansbrough has a fairly significant advantage in turnovers, and the other two shooting percentages.

If you look a little deeper, Jimmer's scoring advantage is less significant than it appears. He may average nine more points per game, but he also averages almost eight more shots per game.

If Hansbrough maintained his efficiency while putting up as many shots as Fredette, he'd average 30 points per game.

Of course, that could have an adverse effect on his assist number, but the point is, Hansbrough is a more efficient scorer.

The flip side of that argument deals with schemes Fredette faces. Every team that plays BYU focuses their entire defensive strategy around stopping Jimmer.

In every game, he's defended by the opposing team's best on-ball defender. He faces multiple double teams over the course of the game (and even some triple teams).

That makes it extremely difficult for Jimmer to get decent looks at the basket (even with his solid ballhandling).

That's not to say the defense Hansbrough faces is weak. Opposing teams may not focus quite as much on Hansbrough as they do on Fredette. But as Notre Dame's leading scorer, he's still a top priority for Big East foes.

And Big East foes are almost always better defenders than what the Mountain West has to offer.

When you compare all their numbers, and consider the difference in the competition they face, it's not too much of a stretch to say Hansbrough may be having the better season.

If that's the case, you have to wonder why no one is talking about Notre Dame's point guard (at least in comparison to Fredette). You also have to wonder why he's barely even seen as an NBA prospect.

Jimmer is predicted to go in the lottery in most NBA mock drafts. So why do most of those same mocks have Hansbrough going undrafted?

It's a very puzzling question. Notre Dame plays in a better conference that gets much more national media attention. Hansbrough's brother Tyler was one of the most famous players in NCAA history.

Is Jimmer Fredette a more exciting player? Have the efforts of his fans on the internet made him more appealing to pro scouts?

Whatever the reason, Jimmer is definitely getting more attention right now.

It will be interesting to see what will happen to the draft stock for each of these guys as we progress through the NCAA tournament.

Obviously, I feel like Hansbrough deserves more attention, and I think he could be a solid NBA point guard.

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3/17/2011  9:13 AM
How's this for a blast from the past: http://www.asiabasketballupdate.com/jeremy-tyler.html

A lot of people wrote off Jeremy Tyler because of his struggles early on in Europe, but the kid is still only 19 years old and he's eligible for the draft this year. Former NBA Coach Bob Hill has been coaching Tyler in Japan and it sounds like it's paying dividends. Now, I haven't seen him play overseas, but I think you have to take a chance on a young big with his potential late in the first or second rounds. Maybe we can purchase a late second round pick and nab him.

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3/17/2011  9:31 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Kenneth Faried got my eye. He plays for Morehead state and is about to break the NCAA rebounding record. He averages like 14 a game. Seems like a really really nice kid, not a headcase. He is only 6'8" but is a freak athlete and will probably be able to play some C. Great defender and rebounder but not scorer (yet). He should be there in the mid first round, around our pick. He might be something special even at his size (which might attract the coach anyway )

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We don't need midgets! at center get a seven footer and stop playing games with these short guys.

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3/17/2011  9:58 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Heres a pretty good video of him. he looks like an MDA type PG to me. He shot 52% in BE play which was pretty sick. I think the way to build the team back up is to just go in and get two Landry fields from the draft---I think there will be a few of them--we bring in Jerome Jordan for SL--just build the asset base back up quickly--that is how we recover from giving up so much. I feel pretty good about who we have drafting and would like to see Dw stay on.

Wow. Thanks for the find and share. That highlight clip is one of the better ones I have seen on any player.

My thoughts on this kid based on the clip.



  • First thing that pops out is his ability to shoot the ball. Reminded me of Mark Price.

  • Attitude. He looks like an alpha dog and would not tuck his tail in a fight.

  • Handle. Dang. I like his change of direction but still going north-and-south and the change of speed is awesome

  • Passing ability and setting up teammates is awesome.

  • Speed in the open court. Wow. He will flourish in MDA system.

  • On the plays they showed his defense, he looked like he has good hands and good feet.

He does remind me a lot of Mark Price or a little of Kevin Johnson. Hope he falls to us.

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3/18/2011  8:29 PM
*bump* since Hansbrough will play against an NBA size lineup Sunday
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
By far--the most under rated propsect on any draft board(becasue he is not on any that i see)

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